Mick Lynch v The Media

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Has anyone asked Mick where the money is coming from to fund the rises he wants?

Should pay rises be tagged to inflation (I'd say not currently) and how do we recover that?

[SydneyRover]

A better question would be, why are rail fares pegged to the RPI?

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP
What happens over the long run if pay rises AREN'T keeping pace with inflation?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's an interesting topic and actually I tend to think it's fine in the short term to let middle-high income earners feel a slight pinch and that tapered earnings increases are a better option for employers to choose.

Are you going to give your employees a 9% pay rise and if so how are you paying for it?

Should pay keep up with inflation, not always no.  But as you'll rightly say sometime it should beat it.  Of course most of the population does beat inflation through promotions, bonuses and moving roles, but not all do. It is more a public sector issue than private sector.

[roverstillidie91]

Kept getting shut down on Question Time amongst others.

Why do they have an biased presenter on there? And a tory loving audience

[tyke1962]

Has anyone asked Mick where the money is coming from to fund the rises he wants?

Should pay rises be tagged to inflation (I'd say not currently) and how do we recover that?

The driving force behind the strike is also the corporate pay issue in the industry , the government subsidies , shareholder dividends and the decent profits created .

None of which are expected to be cut but the RMT members pay and conditions are .

[drfchound]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RMTunion/status/1539992549498273793

Heroes during COVID. But b*llocks to you if you want a decent pay rise.

And Starmer is being utterly stupid on this issue.

That tweet by Schapps certainly appears to be leaning to the left.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Has anyone asked Mick where the money is coming from to fund the rises he wants?

Should pay rises be tagged to inflation (I'd say not currently) and how do we recover that?

I would imagine from some of the massive government subsidy that currently goes straight into the shareholders' pockets.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Has anyone asked Mick where the money is coming from to fund the rises he wants?

Should pay rises be tagged to inflation (I'd say not currently) and how do we recover that?

I would imagine from some of the massive government subsidy that currently goes straight into the shareholders' pockets.

Aren't the majority of those involved network rail employees?

Network rail has no shareholders....

[wilts rover]

Isn't the issue with Network Rail jobcuts and the train operating companies pay rises?

[danumdon]

Isn't the issue with Network Rail jobcuts and the train operating companies pay rises?

The bigger issue is with the re-organisation of job roles and working practises. From the people who i know in this union the majority voted to strike because of this rather than any wholesale pay rise.

[wilts rover]

Isn't the issue with Network Rail jobcuts and the train operating companies pay rises?

The bigger issue is with the re-organisation of job roles and working practises. From the people who i know in this union the majority voted to strike because of this rather than any wholesale pay rise.

That was also the impression I got from Mick Lynch (when he wasn't being asked stupid questions). They are quite happy to negotiate the re-organisation - but would like a pay rise in renumeration for it. The money would come from the savings (rather than go to shareholders/executives - I mean where does the money for the CE of Network Rail's £600000 per year salary come from?)

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1540596783407157251

Tory supporters.

Do you think:

a)Johnson is so thick, he doesn't even know that train drivers aren't on strike.

Or

b) Johnson thinks you are so thick that YOU don't know who is on strike?

Got to be one or the other.

[albie]

Rail strike, and which side of the bread is buttered;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/firstgroup-abellio-rail-strikes-rmt-shareholders-payout/#Echobox=1655997260-2

[tyke1962]

Rail strike, and which side of the bread is buttered;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/firstgroup-abellio-rail-strikes-rmt-shareholders-payout/#Echobox=1655997260-2

This is a landmark strike in my opinion because the RMT's industrial action is at the very heart of everything that's wrong in the UK .

The RMT's fight is almost everyone's fight .

Make no mistake this a massively important dispute , this is the miners strike of today .

I sincerely hope the outcome is better than 84/85 .

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Rail strike, and which side of the bread is buttered;
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/firstgroup-abellio-rail-strikes-rmt-shareholders-payout/#Echobox=1655997260-2

Of course, it's not as simple as the headline suggests.  That £500m was the company buying back shares from shareholders after a sale of a significant part of its business. They have paid 0 dividends since 2013. 

Not quite as simple as that article would have you believe.

[albie]

There would be no need for any share buyback at all if the rail industry was fully back in the public sector, would there?

[albie]

Mick Lynch gives a 10 minute video on Double Down News on what's what and why;
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/august/4/mick-lynch-dismantles-the-media-keir-starmer-war-on-freedom-extreme-right-wing-tory-government

Well worth your time.
Top man is Mick!

[Colin C No.3]

Mick Lynch gives a 10 minute video on Double Down News on what's what and why;
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/august/4/mick-lynch-dismantles-the-media-keir-starmer-war-on-freedom-extreme-right-wing-tory-government

Well worth your time.
Top man is Mick!

The man is certainly a ‘tour de force’ & a man the more you see & hear speak the more there is to admire.

[tyke1962]

Mick Lynch gives a 10 minute video on Double Down News on what's what and why;
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/august/4/mick-lynch-dismantles-the-media-keir-starmer-war-on-freedom-extreme-right-wing-tory-government

Well worth your time.
Top man is Mick!

The man is certainly a ‘tour de force’ & a man the more you see & hear speak the more there is to admire.

Mick has an incredible skill set , the ability to demonise the Establishment , Tory Party , Client Journalists and the polarised  system this country operates under without actually insulting or being aggressive is incredible , that's a remarkable gift .

This man takes people with him , ask a stupid question and he will make a monkey out of you but he does it in a light hearted way that the client journalists simply can't handle .

He's not out to topple capitalism , he's simply asking for a fair share of its profits his members help create .

It's pretty basic economics which resonate with the public because it's relatable to millions of people .

[SydneyRover]

Mick Lynch gives a 10 minute video on Double Down News on what's what and why;
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/august/4/mick-lynch-dismantles-the-media-keir-starmer-war-on-freedom-extreme-right-wing-tory-government

Well worth your time.
Top man is Mick!

The man is certainly a ‘tour de force’ & a man the more you see & hear speak the more there is to admire.

Mick has an incredible skill set , the ability to demonise the Establishment , Tory Party , Client Journalists and the polarised  system this country operates under without actually insulting or being aggressive is incredible , that's a remarkable gift .

This man takes people with him , ask a stupid question and he will make a monkey out of you but he does it in a light hearted way that the client journalists simply can't handle .

He's not out to topple capitalism , he's simply asking for a fair share of its profits his members help create .

It's pretty basic economics which resonate with the public because it's relatable to millions of people .

so was the economic outcome for what will turn out to be the dumbest thing Britain could have done ever to date but plenty are totally blind to it aye?

[scawsby steve]

Mick Lynch gives a 10 minute video on Double Down News on what's what and why;
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/august/4/mick-lynch-dismantles-the-media-keir-starmer-war-on-freedom-extreme-right-wing-tory-government

Well worth your time.
Top man is Mick!

The man is certainly a ‘tour de force’ & a man the more you see & hear speak the more there is to admire.

Mick has an incredible skill set , the ability to demonise the Establishment , Tory Party , Client Journalists and the polarised  system this country operates under without actually insulting or being aggressive is incredible , that's a remarkable gift .

This man takes people with him , ask a stupid question and he will make a monkey out of you but he does it in a light hearted way that the client journalists simply can't handle .

He's not out to topple capitalism , he's simply asking for a fair share of its profits his members help create .

It's pretty basic economics which resonate with the public because it's relatable to millions of people .

so was the economic outcome for what will turn out to be the dumbest thing Britain could have done ever to date but plenty are totally blind to it aye?

What the f*ck are you rambling on about? This thread's about Mick Lynch.

Stop being so bloody daft all the time.

[SydneyRover]

I'm just saying that he's no champion of the poor, those in poverty, those on zero hours contracts, anyone that swallowed brexit thinking anyone outside the rich top % of tories will improve their lot needs medical assistance.

All those billions, the country could do with a few right now aye?

remember this Steve, ML and anyone that voted for brexit gave permission for the tories to wreck the economy.

https://costofbrexit.netlify.app/

[tyke1962]

I'm just saying that he's no champion of the poor, those in poverty, those on zero hours contracts, anyone that swallowed brexit thinking anyone outside the rich top % of tories will improve their lot needs medical assistance.

All those billions, the country could do with a few right now aye?

remember this Steve, ML and anyone that voted for brexit gave permission for the tories to wreck the economy.

https://costofbrexit.netlify.app/

So presumably inside your head the current crisis in the UK is simply attributed to leaving the EU per se , have I got this right ?

If that's what you truly believe and you wish to condemn a man on the narrative that all of his professional life is to be judged on the way he voted in the 2016 referendum then it stands to sense you would have supported the only Party who were willing to overturn the result of the referendum at the 2019 GE .

Did you vote for the Lib Dems in 2019 ?

Is Jo Swinson your all time political hero ?

Would you vote for a party at the next election who promised to rejoin the EU ? .

Potential candidates would be the Lib Dems and possibly one nation Tories .

If this thing is so important to you then it would cut through party politics wouldn't it .

Bear in mind your the one who is judging everything and everyone by the way they voted in the 2016 referendum .

[SydneyRover]

Actually tyke whenever I read your silly comments moaning about this and that, those that allowed a tory government in, those that could possibly have stopped them getting in, if not with your vote with your opinions and especially when you get on your high pony and knowing labour would have given people a better deal I think why don't you look in the mirror.

You won't see any returns on your brexit vote in your own lifetime, all you've done is strengthened the tory position and given them a few more turns on the hurdy-gurdy.

Don't take my word for it ask fishy rishi or more likely truss who is going to tear everything apart that she can get her mitts on.

Ask either of them if they are going to help you with your sovereignty or your workers rights. They are holding a dutch auction for them right now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick Lynch gives a 10 minute video on Double Down News on what's what and why;
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/august/4/mick-lynch-dismantles-the-media-keir-starmer-war-on-freedom-extreme-right-wing-tory-government

Well worth your time.
Top man is Mick!

The man is certainly a ‘tour de force’ & a man the more you see & hear speak the more there is to admire.

Mick has an incredible skill set , the ability to demonise the Establishment , Tory Party , Client Journalists and the polarised  system this country operates under without actually insulting or being aggressive is incredible , that's a remarkable gift .

This man takes people with him , ask a stupid question and he will make a monkey out of you but he does it in a light hearted way that the client journalists simply can't handle .

He's not out to topple capitalism , he's simply asking for a fair share of its profits his members help create .

It's pretty basic economics which resonate with the public because it's relatable to millions of people .

I've said for years that for the Left to succeed with a strongly left wing agenda, they needed someone charismatic enough to work the media.

 That's why Corbyn was a disaster. I agreed wholeheartedly with most of his domestic policies, but he was always going to struggle to convince a majority of the electorate, because he fundamentally didn't know how to handle the media. He often came across as irascible and short tempered. And then his supporters console themselves in the line that he couldn't win because  the media were against him. Like the media are EVER not going to be against a left wing leader.

Lynch has an ability to play the media at their game. Intellectually quick witted, in control of his brief, knowing what lines are going to be thrown at him and nimble enough to parry them and thrown jabs back, rather than the Corbyn approach of scowling incomprehension that anyone wouldn't agree with him.

Lynch is, I'm sure, a very big reason why the public supports the rail industrial action.

[drfchound]

Mick Lynch gives a 10 minute video on Double Down News on what's what and why;
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2022/august/4/mick-lynch-dismantles-the-media-keir-starmer-war-on-freedom-extreme-right-wing-tory-government

Well worth your time.
Top man is Mick!

The man is certainly a ‘tour de force’ & a man the more you see & hear speak the more there is to admire.

Mick has an incredible skill set , the ability to demonise the Establishment , Tory Party , Client Journalists and the polarised  system this country operates under without actually insulting or being aggressive is incredible , that's a remarkable gift .

This man takes people with him , ask a stupid question and he will make a monkey out of you but he does it in a light hearted way that the client journalists simply can't handle .

He's not out to topple capitalism , he's simply asking for a fair share of its profits his members help create .

It's pretty basic economics which resonate with the public because it's relatable to millions of people .

I've said for years that for the Left to succeed with a strongly left wing agenda, they needed someone charismatic enough to work the media.

 That's why Corbyn was a disaster. I agreed wholeheartedly with most of his domestic policies, but he was always going to struggle to convince a majority of the electorate, because he fundamentally didn't know how to handle the media. He often came across as irascible and short tempered. And then his supporters console themselves in the line that he couldn't win because  the media were against him. Like the media are EVER not going to be against a left wing leader.

Lynch has an ability to play the media at their game. Intellectually quick witted, in control of his brief, knowing what lines are going to be thrown at him and nimble enough to parry them and thrown jabs back, rather than the Corbyn approach of scowling incomprehension that anyone wouldn't agree with him.

Lynch is, I'm sure, a very big reason why the public supports the rail industrial action.

“Scowling incomprehension that anyone wouldn’t agree with him”
Mmmmmm.

[scawsby steve]

Oh dear, Sydney. Not only is BST not agreeing with your obsessive love of Keith, he's not agreeing with your warped opinion of Mick Lynch.

Your constant obsession with Brexit and the Guardian is losing you friends on here.

Have you any mates in Aussie?

[SydneyRover]

Oh dear, Sydney. Not only is BST not agreeing with your obsessive love of Keith, he's not agreeing with your warped opinion of Mick Lynch.

Your constant obsession with Brexit and the Guardian is losing you friends on here.

Have you any mates in Aussie?

I'm not living with brexit Steve you are and will be till you point your toes up, as far as lynch is concerned it was only a few months ago you were creaming your jeans with the thought of Burnham for PM, who's next Elvis? I don't really care who wins the next election as long as it's labour, why not try voting for em.

[drfchound]

Oh dear, Sydney. Not only is BST not agreeing with your obsessive love of Keith, he's not agreeing with your warped opinion of Mick Lynch.

Your constant obsession with Brexit and the Guardian is losing you friends on here.

Have you any mates in Aussie?

I'm not living with brexit Steve you are and will be till you point your toes up, as far as lynch is concerned it was only a few months ago you were creaming your jeans with the thought of Burnham for PM, who's next Elvis? I don't really care who wins the next election as long as it's labour, why not try voting for em.

Steve, I’m not really sure why it would matter to him who wins.