Have I Missed Summat ?

[wilts rover]

A Labour source on the shambles of them hammering one another and their own record in government during the ITV debate tonight:

"My jaw is on the table at how damaging this is for the Tories. We couldn’t pay for this.”

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1548741037925044225

[drfchound]

What wild generalisations would them be then, BG?

That would be the Bob who has never met us BB and yet feels qualified to speak about intellectual status.

Bob of course is so intellectually superior that he doesn’t need to check what he has written before actually posting.

It's  funny how Hound and BB persist in generalising from a very specific, and extremely verifiable, point about opinions and views in one specific age group. Tgey nevee moan when Billy talks about other age groups do they? It's like they've  never been introduced to critical thinking, to analytical thinking. These continued wild generalisations in support of their owm prejudice tells us all what we need to know about the limitations of their intellects.

BobG

[Bentley Bullet]

Yep, Maybe he thinks BB stands for Baby Boomer and we Hound the youngsters with claims of them being feckless lazy gits! Maybe he thinks BG stands for Boomer Gratitude?

[tyke1962]

This is absolute bat shyte , three live tv debates going out to 70m people but only 180k get to decide the outcome .

Meanwhile the MSM including the bloody Guardian all fall in to line and cover the bstrd .

Anyone with an actual pair of balls to the left of the Tories wouldn't give it the time of day .

Even the media who are supposed to be against the Tories are suddenly client journalists and what's more worrying is they can't even see they are client journalists .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke

Calm yourself.

If you want a left of centre Govt (big "if" in your case, I'll grant you) then the best thing you could hope for would be to have these five lightweights fighting like rats in a sack without an idea between them, on prime time every night.

Labour couldn't do a better job themselves of destroying Tory credibility.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tonight.

Truss: We can't have a reasonable public sector pay rise because... Inflation. (Note. A 5% rise would put an additional £7bn into the economy.)

Also Truss: I will give you a massive string of tax cuts. (Note. Latest estimate are that Truss"s tax cuts would be putting about £40bn into the economy.)

Thick or mendacious? You choose. There's no alternative.

[Bentley Bullet]

Tyke

Calm yourself.

If you want a left of centre Govt (big "if" in your case, I'll grant you) then the best thing you could hope for would be to have these five lightweights fighting like rats in a sack without an idea between them, on prime time every night.

Labour couldn't do a better job themselves of destroying Tory credibility.

Are you suggesting the Tories have some credibility to destroy after Boris?

[drfchound]

I suppose that the tv company are getting what they wanted, that is high viewing figures.
Personally I haven’t watched even one minute of it but I guess that some will have tuned in every night to find scraps to post about on here.

[scawsby steve]

Some of the ageist comments on here are a f*cking disgrace. I'm surprised the moderators haven't said something.

Some of you guys in your 50s are quite unique; the first ever generation in history to be disrespectful and insulting to the elderly.

All out of spite and jealousy.

[Bentley Bullet]

They do tend to produce a lot of feckless idle gossip.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

[tyke1962]

Tyke

Calm yourself.

If you want a left of centre Govt (big "if" in your case, I'll grant you) then the best thing you could hope for would be to have these five lightweights fighting like rats in a sack without an idea between them, on prime time every night.

Labour couldn't do a better job themselves of destroying Tory credibility.

That's not how it's getting sold Billy and I'm surprised you can't see it .

This is getting sold to the public as a GE but crucially minus the other parties .

The winner of this charade is totally absorb of all blame and accountability for the last three years plus nine .

You do know there's no such thing as bad publicity Billy .

[tyke1962]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

It might help Billy if younger people actually went out and voted .

[phil old leake]

Tyke a lot of your last rant is very true.  That doesn’t make the majority of pensioners ignorant and selfish. 
I for one haven’t yet retired.  I am also mindful of the fact that when I left school you went to university in the main because you were bright and you intended to study something that would benefit yourself and society
You went to be a professional
Nowadays so many young people are studying nothing subjects that wouldn’t have been on any university curriculum in my day.
With so many young people going to university it has to be paid for.  I think that young people are also realising that and that is why there are more apprenticeship
 I also agree there should be more housing available at affordable prices. That still doesn’t make the majority of pensioners ignorant and selfish. 
You also need to remember a lot of people benefitted from buying their council houses at next to nothing prices and they profited from future sales. I would actually disagree that the benefit system was better in the past. I grew up on a council estate and we lived next door to the only person we knew who didn’t work. He didn’t work because he was genuinely extremely poorly and unlike some today he couldn’t work

That family were poor and until the children left school and started to work they really did struggle to make ends meet
The baby boomers have had it good but they have also seen a society change where the majority are ‘are ignorant and selfish ‘ and only some have the sense to be thoughtful reflective and decent
We are living in sxxt times and that is an overall societal issue and is not down to the majority of over 65s not caring

[phil old leake]

BST once again you quote ‘Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.’ Without evidence to support your comments

[wilts rover]

You certainly wouldn't think that if you had watched either of the debates Tyke.

Tho you will be seeing many clips from them in future. In Labour Party campaign videos.

[scawsby steve]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

BST, you're actually becoming paradoxical now. Economic plight? You've just said we've had the best of everything; which one is it?

I don't blame youngsters for anything, and I don't know anyone who does. In fact, their attitude towards old people is a lot better than some people who are older, and should know better.

[tyke1962]

Tyke a lot of your last rant is very true.  That doesn’t make the majority of pensioners ignorant and selfish. 
I for one haven’t yet retired.  I am also mindful of the fact that when I left school you went to university in the main because you were bright and you intended to study something that would benefit yourself and society
You went to be a professional
Nowadays so many young people are studying nothing subjects that wouldn’t have been on any university curriculum in my day.
With so many young people going to university it has to be paid for.  I think that young people are also realising that and that is why there are more apprenticeship
 I also agree there should be more housing available at affordable prices. That still doesn’t make the majority of pensioners ignorant and selfish. 
You also need to remember a lot of people benefitted from buying their council houses at next to nothing prices and they profited from future sales. I would actually disagree that the benefit system was better in the past. I grew up on a council estate and we lived next door to the only person we knew who didn’t work. He didn’t work because he was genuinely extremely poorly and unlike some today he couldn’t work

That family were poor and until the children left school and started to work they really did struggle to make ends meet
The baby boomers have had it good but they have also seen a society change where the majority are ‘are ignorant and selfish ‘ and only some have the sense to be thoughtful reflective and decent
We are living in sxxt times and that is an overall societal issue and is not down to the majority of over 65s not caring

Phil the way I see it is that the older generation had the sense to join trade unions and actually fight for the things they benefited from .

Very little was given to them that much I do know .

They also did extremely hard and often dangerous jobs in heavy industries .

There's nothing to stop the younger generations using collectivism to improve their lives .

There's nothing to stop them going out and voting .

[tyke1962]

You certainly wouldn't think that if you had watched either of the debates Tyke.

Tho you will be seeing many clips from them in future. In Labour Party campaign videos.

Well we will see in due course how that works out .

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.
The economic plight of younger generations. The ones who are going to be worse off than yours throughout their lives.

[Bentley Bullet]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

Pensioners have called the next generation idle and useless since time began. It's tradition. Just like its tradition for the younger generation to call pensioners silly old t**ts.

What is probably new is inbetweeners, like you, shit-stirring for political reasons.

[River Don]

Here's one for you BB

I worked in the Cabinet Office on a project quite a few years ago and can hand on heart say Liz Truss and Amber Rudd might be the two dimmest people I've ever met. Failed to grasp very basic, carefully laid out concepts.

My sister went to toastmasters, public speakers group with Luz Truss....

She can confirm she is as mad as a box of frogs.

She is very very concerned she is actually in the running to become the prime Minister.

[Bentley Bullet]

What did your sister think about Corbyn and Abbott running the country?

[BobG]

I'm sure you have at least learned to read BB. You might even remember some of the blatherings you have uttered recently.

BobG

[BobG]

What wild generalisations would them be then, BG?

That would be the Bob who has never met us BB and yet feels qualified to speak about intellectual status.

Bob of course is so intellectually superior that he doesn’t need to check what he has written before actually posting.

It's  funny how Hound and BB persist in generalising from a very specific, and extremely verifiable, point about opinions and views in one specific age group. Tgey nevee moan when Billy talks about other age groups do they? It's like they've  never been introduced to critical thinking, to analytical thinking. These continued wild generalisations in support of their owm prejudice tells us all what we need to know about the limitations of their intellects.

BobG

c

Your intellectual goes before you. As does your double standard in commenting on me when you too have never met me. I reckon my original point is more than proved.

BobG

[SydneyRover]

bst despises pensioners shock.

I can't imagine any pensioner losing too much sleep over it, Hound. In fact, probably the opposite. After all, his praise of anyone is hardly a commendable endorsement.

Can't stop projecting your hate onto others, the real hound stands up

[phil old leake]

BST

Agreed for me it was a big thing to vote when I was 18.  When I look back I had no idea what I was really voting for I voted the same as my dad
It seems to me that a lot of young people I know are either apathetic or feel it’s a lost cause. I think a lot of their views may fall with some minority parties who have no chance of achieving anything in our mainly 2 party system with a bit of disruption from the Lib Dems.
They need to feel that their opinions count.

[SydneyRover]

I don’t get where you’re coming from Syd. Yes we do need to know all those things you raised but it’s not relevant in this contest.  That’s something for the next General Election

This is about who is going to lead the tories into that election

The public will be able to make their minds up in the next 2 and a bit years

This is just absolutely nonsense and the only benefactors are the Labour Party

Waste of time effort and money

Only because you see the opposition benefitting aye phil, why don't you suggest a massive zoom call just for tories.

[Bentley Bullet]

What wild generalisations would them be then, BG?

That would be the Bob who has never met us BB and yet feels qualified to speak about intellectual status.

Bob of course is so intellectually superior that he doesn’t need to check what he has written before actually posting.

It's  funny how Hound and BB persist in generalising from a very specific, and extremely verifiable, point about opinions and views in one specific age group. Tgey nevee moan when Billy talks about other age groups do they? It's like they've  never been introduced to critical thinking, to analytical thinking. These continued wild generalisations in support of their owm prejudice tells us all what we need to know about the limitations of their intellects.

BobG

c

Your intellectual goes before you. As does your double standard in commenting on me when you too have never met me. I reckon my original point is more than proved.

BobG

Then let's meet. when are you next at a Rovers game?

[Colemans Left Hook]

No you haven’t.  This is being hyped up out of all proportion

It’s a leadership contest albeit the winner will be Prime Minister

Why there is a need for TV debates is beyond me. Also why the Tories want this all over the media is beyond me.  It can only reflect badly on them as a party

It just shows the depth of the deception getting played out here .

A new leader offering whatever bullshyte they are offering , a promise of this , that and the other as though the last 3 years never happened never mind the last 12 .

The TV debate is actually laughable given less than 0.47% of the electorate will vote in a new PM .

80% of the Tory membership are in socio-economic classes ABC1

56% live in London or the Home Counties.

39% are over 65.

65% are male.

That's the demographic that's going to choose our PM.

Wealthy old southern men. The golf club bore rules the country.

honest question was there anything about % ethnicity (as we call it nowadays) in those stats ?

  because at this moment in time  Badenoch is getting ridiculously hammered in the betting and  rather than  Mavis of Coronation Street (a.k.a. Truss ) getting Badenoch's votes it could be the other way around

it looks like my request "has (currently) fallen on stony ground ,,,,, butit's not too late to answer