Have I Missed Summat ?

[Bentley Bullet]

I'm sure you have at least learned to read BB. You might even remember some of the blatherings you have uttered recently.

BobG

Just seen this. Care to mention any BG?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Not watched any of them, little desire to either.  None of the candidates are particularly strong and all have weaknesses.  Sunak is probably the most sensible of a poor bunch but his economic decisions are questionable.

I'm not sure we really need a debate on generations personally, it's inevitable people change is the age, most naturally become more selfish as they age, I've read a few papers on that in the past, fascinating.

[drfchound]

bst despises pensioners shock.

I can't imagine any pensioner losing too much sleep over it, Hound. In fact, probably the opposite. After all, his praise of anyone is hardly a commendable endorsement.

Can't stop projecting your hate onto others, the real hound stands up

BB hardly needs any help from me, or anyone else for that matter, in forming an option of bst.

[drfchound]

What wild generalisations would them be then, BG?

That would be the Bob who has never met us BB and yet feels qualified to speak about intellectual status.

Bob of course is so intellectually superior that he doesn’t need to check what he has written before actually posting.

It's  funny how Hound and BB persist in generalising from a very specific, and extremely verifiable, point about opinions and views in one specific age group. Tgey nevee moan when Billy talks about other age groups do they? It's like they've  never been introduced to critical thinking, to analytical thinking. These continued wild generalisations in support of their owm prejudice tells us all what we need to know about the limitations of their intellects.

BobG

c

Your intellectual goes before you. As does your double standard in commenting on me when you too have never met me. I reckon my original point is more than proved.

BobG

I think that cuts both way Bob.
You’re welcome.

[Bentley Bullet]

Do you know what I think? I think BG is more bothered about his representation than his point. That's probably because his point is somewhat impotent. To camouflage that, and to make an impression, he probably gets his thesaurus book out.

[RobTheRover]

What did your sister think about Corbyn and Abbott running the country?

Irrelevant. It never happened. I doubt it would be as spectacular a shitshow as we currently have, mind.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes, it never happened because of people like me. Imagine Corbyn spending all the money he planned to spend and then COVID coming along!

[SydneyRover]

"People Like Us' you could make a tv show about that!











Yes, it never happened because of people like me. Imagine Corbyn spending all the money he planned to spend and then COVID coming along!

[SydneyRover]

Those competing for their own advancement on tv atm are the rejects the ones cast aside that couldn't compete with a debauched liar and idle wastrel.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

Pensioners have called the next generation idle and useless since time began. It's tradition. Just like its tradition for the younger generation to call pensioners silly old t**ts.

What is probably new is inbetweeners, like you, shit-stirring for political reasons.

BB

Aye. But this is the first generation of pensioners to pass on a poorer inheritance to the next generation since the Industrial Revolution.

You'd think they might have cause to stop and think before falling into the old, lazy stereotypical slanging match. Especially given what the younger generations have sacrificed for them over the past 30 months.

[SydneyRover]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

Pensioners have called the next generation idle and useless since time began. It's tradition. Just like its tradition for the younger generation to call pensioners silly old t**ts.

What is probably new is inbetweeners, like you, shit-stirring for political reasons.

BB

Aye. But this is the first generation of pensioners to pass on a poorer inheritance to the next generation since the Industrial Revolution.

You'd think they might have cause to stop and think before falling into the old, lazy stereotypical slanging match. Especially given what the younger generations have sacrificed for them over the past 30 months.

And once you accept this piece of information as fact you can start to do summat about it, aye Steve?

[scawsby steve]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

Pensioners have called the next generation idle and useless since time began. It's tradition. Just like its tradition for the younger generation to call pensioners silly old t**ts.

What is probably new is inbetweeners, like you, shit-stirring for political reasons.

BB

Aye. But this is the first generation of pensioners to pass on a poorer inheritance to the next generation since the Industrial Revolution.

You'd think they might have cause to stop and think before falling into the old, lazy stereotypical slanging match. Especially given what the younger generations have sacrificed for them over the past 30 months.

What have the younger generations sacrificed for me over the last 30 months?

[phil old leake]

Syd you are right that I can only see the opposition benefitting

The precise point that I made

BST What have the younger generation sacrificed that everyone else hasn’t over the last 30 months

All the points you are raising started way before that when large organisations started buying up land and development and holding on to it to sell at extremely large profits

[drfchound]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

Pensioners have called the next generation idle and useless since time began. It's tradition. Just like its tradition for the younger generation to call pensioners silly old t**ts.

What is probably new is inbetweeners, like you, shit-stirring for political reasons.

BB

Aye. But this is the first generation of pensioners to pass on a poorer inheritance to the next generation since the Industrial Revolution.

You'd think they might have cause to stop and think before falling into the old, lazy stereotypical slanging match. Especially given what the younger generations have sacrificed for them over the past 30 months.

This post sounds like a personal gripe from someone who missed out on an inheritance that they thought was coming their way.

[SydneyRover]

Those competing for their own advancement on tv atm are the rejects the ones cast aside that couldn't compete with a debauched liar and idle wastrel.

Syd you are right that I can only see the opposition benefitting

The precise point that I made

BST What have the younger generation sacrificed that everyone else hasn’t over the last 30 months

All the points you are raising started way before that when large organisations started buying up land and development and holding on to it to sell at extremely large profits

Yes I get it phil, the real reason why is in my comment above wouldn't you think?

[phil old leake]

That is a good point Hound

When the baby boomers unfortunately pass there will be inheritance of property

I would expect that some young people have also benefitted from the banks of mum and dad to help them on their way

[drfchound]

That is a good point Hound

When the baby boomers unfortunately pass there will be inheritance of property

I would expect that some young people have also benefitted from the banks of mum and dad to help them on their way

Yes Phil, our friend hasn’t mentioned those points.

[Colemans Left Hook]

SS.

What do you take offence at?

The argument that the Boomers inherited a good deal and left a shit one behind them? Feel free to explain why you don't agree with that if you wish?

Or is it the polling evidence that the Boomers disproportionately blame younger people for their economic plight? Again, feel free to point out why you disagree.

As it is, you seem to confuse "setting out an evidence-based argument" with "f**king disgraceful ageist comments".

Which suggests that you've missed the bit where I said that I don't think that all pensioners are selfish and ignorant. Not by a long way. Just that the evidence suggests there are more pensioners fitting that description than there are people in other age groups.

Pensioners have called the next generation idle and useless since time began. It's tradition. Just like its tradition for the younger generation to call pensioners silly old t**ts.

What is probably new is inbetweeners, like you, shit-stirring for political reasons.

BB

Aye. But this is the first generation of pensioners to pass on a poorer inheritance to the next generation since the Industrial Revolution.

You'd think they might have cause to stop and think before falling into the old, lazy stereotypical slanging match. Especially given what the younger generations have sacrificed for them over the past 30 months.

This post sounds like a personal gripe from someone who missed out on an inheritance that they thought was coming their way.

there is a posting on this site that actually backs that fact up

some of us have very long memories

does anyone want to mention pensioners getting zero interest on their savings and the pathetically low mortgage rate even in 1963 i seem to recall the banks paid 3% on accounts

[phil old leake]

Doesn’t suit the rhetoric

[BillyStubbsTears]

Phil/SS.
If you truly don't appreciate what young people who were under very little threat from COVID sacrificed to help keep older people safe, you're making a big part of my point for me.

As regards the issue of leaving an inheritance to the next generations, that totally misses the point. That's a personal, individual thing. I'm talking about the collective, about society. The expectation for 200 years is that collectively, society will produce opportunities for the next generation to succeed. For everyone (that's the word) to have the opportunity to get on and transcend the previous generation if they were prepared to work.

What you're saying is that SOME might now have the springboard to do that, IF their parents won on the house price casino. You see my point?

[mugnapper]

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-cancels-conservative-leadership-debate-after-sunak-and-truss-pull-out-12654286
Sorry to get back on topic, but it looks like the Tories have twigged that their high profile disunity, would be better if it wasn't on public display.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

That is a good point Hound

When the baby boomers unfortunately pass there will be inheritance of property

I would expect that some young people have also benefitted from the banks of mum and dad to help them on their way

Some yes, but not all. Never had a penny and I'm 34.  As for inheritance, the same. I gladly have three living grandparents.

There are genuine issues for young people economically particularly around housing etc.  It's not a competition between young and old but there should be recognition of that fact.

As bst says, covid really caused problems for youngsters too, they missed an awful lot of crucial development time protecting the elderly and vulnerable, that shouldn't be forgotten.

[turnbull for england]

My lad will be 17 in September, and he's just sat his GCSEs based on 2 yrs of Schooling of a quality we'd have been taken to court for if we had done it ourselves. For those one and 2 yrs older their results are just a guess really, so who knows what value employers will place on them. In order to protect others  no school trips , no team sports no socialising etc. All this was done willingly but has to have had an impact. I bought my first house for 27k 26 yrs ago when I was on about 19k pa. Same house now 140k and he will be lucky to be on 30k ?  If he stays local at that age .that's assuming he's not up to his neck in student loans. . Not picking sides but this is the reality for kids of his age

[BillyStubbsTears]

We haven't even mentioned the greatest generational shift of wealth of all.

The economy that the Boomers enjoyed was built on cheap, readily available fossil fuel to power it.

That was a massive benefit for them. It underpinned their economic success.

That era of cheap energy is now snatched away from the younger generations, because the Boomers spent the money that produced, instead of investing in the next generation of energy.

Not only have the younger successors got to pay for the systems to produce the energy of the future, they're also going to be left to deal with the climate mess that their elders have left them with.

[Bentley Bullet]

That is a good point Hound

When the baby boomers unfortunately pass there will be inheritance of property

I would expect that some young people have also benefitted from the banks of mum and dad to help them on their way

Some yes, but not all. Never had a penny and I'm 34.  As for inheritance, the same. I gladly have three living grandparents.

There are genuine issues for young people economically particularly around housing etc.  It's not a competition between young and old but there should be recognition of that fact.

As bst says, covid really caused problems for youngsters too, they missed an awful lot of crucial development time protecting the elderly and vulnerable, that shouldn't be forgotten.

Covid caused problems for everybody. I've never thought any different, and I've never forgotten about the young'uns sacrifices in that respect.

The problem with BST's point in all this is he thinks people who are inconsiderate are exclusive to non-Labour voters.

[wilts rover]

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-cancels-conservative-leadership-debate-after-sunak-and-truss-pull-out-12654286
Sorry to get back on topic, but it looks like the Tories have twigged that their high profile disunity, would be better if it wasn't on public display.

You can't argue your position on national tv - but you expect the electorate to believe you can negotiate with world leaders?

[wilts rover]

No you haven’t.  This is being hyped up out of all proportion

It’s a leadership contest albeit the winner will be Prime Minister

Why there is a need for TV debates is beyond me. Also why the Tories want this all over the media is beyond me.  It can only reflect badly on them as a party

It just shows the depth of the deception getting played out here .

A new leader offering whatever bullshyte they are offering , a promise of this , that and the other as though the last 3 years never happened never mind the last 12 .

The TV debate is actually laughable given less than 0.47% of the electorate will vote in a new PM .

80% of the Tory membership are in socio-economic classes ABC1

56% live in London or the Home Counties.

39% are over 65.

65% are male.

That's the demographic that's going to choose our PM.

Wealthy old southern men. The golf club bore rules the country.

honest question was there anything about % ethnicity (as we call it nowadays) in those stats ?

  because at this moment in time  Badenoch is getting ridiculously hammered in the betting and  rather than  Mavis of Coronation Street (a.k.a. Truss ) getting Badenoch's votes it could be the other way around

it looks like my request "has (currently) fallen on stony ground ,,,,, butit's not too late to answer

97% white is the latest info I can find:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/07/tory-leader-contest-boris-johnson-diversity/670507/

https://www.qmul.ac.uk/media/qmul/media/publications/Grassroots,-Britain's-Party-Members.pdf

Who have you bet on CLH - you are savy about these thing?

[SydneyRover]

That is a good point Hound

When the baby boomers unfortunately pass there will be inheritance of property

I would expect that some young people have also benefitted from the banks of mum and dad to help them on their way

Some yes, but not all. Never had a penny and I'm 34.  As for inheritance, the same. I gladly have three living grandparents.

There are genuine issues for young people economically particularly around housing etc.  It's not a competition between young and old but there should be recognition of that fact.

As bst says, covid really caused problems for youngsters too, they missed an awful lot of crucial development time protecting the elderly and vulnerable, that shouldn't be forgotten.

Covid caused problems for everybody. I've never thought any different, and I've never forgotten about the young'uns sacrifices in that respect.

The problem with BST's point in all this is he thinks people who are inconsiderate are exclusive to non-Labour voters.

And another thing this generation have used up all the irony, aye bb

[Colemans Left Hook]

thanks I'm shocked at that


It was like the wild west yesterday
Badenoch went as low as 7/1 fom 33/1 now out to 22/1

Tom sadly exits today as we all know he's now 220/1

we all remember  Boris lending votes to stop Gove - i think Gove lost by about 3 votes

i was wondering if it might happen again  and found this

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/sunak-conservative-leadership-gavin-williamson-vote-lending


Cameron (who played the youth card) was second favourite when it went to the members against David Davis you will recall



 

[BillyStubbsTears]

You're right CLH that Tugendghat goes today. He's the lady of the (generally) moderates left in the race, although he has a switch that turns him into an uncontrolled lunatic whenever anyone mentions "war" so maybe it's for the best that he won't be in charge.

Of the others, there are four believers in failed far right economics, one of whom is determined to paint herself as Thatcher Reduce but without quite knowing what that means, one who is determined to fight a thermonuclear Culture War that no-one really cares about and one who is so lacking in any content that she doesn't even want us to talk about who is leader.

If this were an interview panel, the decision would be "None appointable. Re-advertise".

But given where we are, Sunak is the only one who looks remotely electable.

And the Tories will get hammered under him in 2024.