Sunak or Truss

[Panda]

I generally drive at about 70-80 on motorways. I sometimes do between 80 and 90 in short bursts but don't feel comfortable driving at those speeds. Anyone driving above 100 is a moron and should have their licence revoked for 10 years.

I'm always staggered when you are trundling along the motorway at about 60 - 70 in the dark and it is hammering it down with rain and you see cretins bombing past at about 100mph! How can they even see that far ahead coz i bloody well can't and i'm doing far less speed?!

If a car switches lanes suddenly then these idiots haven't a hope in hell of stopping in time.

Accidents waiting to happen.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

There's times where a higher limit may be appropriate, say 8pm on an empty motorway.  Why not make it more dynamic and up speeds a little at quiet times for those comfortable where appropriate.  Driving 80 on a dead M1 doesn't feel like a problem.

[Colin C No.3]

There was a time when I did quite a lot of driving in the USA.
I liked their Interstate (our motorway) driving rules.
Usually 65mph speed limit and drivers could stay in lane, any lane, whilst people could pass on either side of you.
It was so much more relaxing driving like that.

Bloody hell hound, I’d be dropping to sleep doing 65mph on some of those ‘straight into the horizon for the next 200 miles’ roads!

[Panda]

Truss wins. Just listened to her speech on talkradio.

She thanked Rishi Sunak and said that the very fact she was competing against him was a indication of the depth of talent in the party!!

 

I'd say the very fact that either are anywhere remotely near becoming PM is a clear indication as to how screwed our country is.

Strap yourself in for loads more empty words and no action folks!

[Bristol Red Rover]

So Truss is victor. Gonna be hilarious to watch this car crash. Already she repeated the infamous "cheeeese" moment in her speech at the party conference a few years back. Today, praising Johnson, she said he'd done various good things, vaccines and "you'll be admired from Kiev to Carlisle"
(Pause, Truss waiting)
(Extended pause, still she waits)
(Finally an embaressed smatterinng of applause)

She is so far off the pulse!

[Bristol Red Rover]

Interesting listening to radio 5. Presenter read out about 10 texts after the result. EVERY one of them was negative to Truss, the Tories, the undemocratic vote. Presenter had to add that they want to represent "all sides" so called for positive comments. Love it, Beeb, Tories, Truss all in a pickle together 

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The first interview with the public was class too. Bloke sat in the rain in Wiltshire, a life long Tory voter, saying he was underwhelmed, and then proceeded to slag off Truss and the Tories. #bothsidism working well! 

[Glyn_Wigley]

Truss wins. Just listened to her speech on talkradio.

She thanked Rishi Sunak and said that the very fact she was competing against him was a indication of the depth of talent in the party!!

 

I'd say the very fact that either are anywhere remotely near becoming PM is a clear indication as to how screwed our country is.

The next indicator to watch out for is whether either Dorries or Coffey are anywhere in the government Truss announces...and that includes junior ministership. If either of these people - who are not merely just incompetent buffoons but nasty with it as well - are given any power whatsoever it'll just serve as an indictment of the lack of quality of the Tory pool of MPs.

I'm hoping that they were only given jobs because of the growing number of MPs who wouldn't serve under Boris restricting the quality of choice of MPs who would; which I hope for the country's sake isn't a problem inherited by Truss.

[Bristol Red Rover]

My first time was the 6-0 win, freezing and rickety wooden stand, never been there when it&#039;s warm

"Freezing and rickety wooden stand" - fits perfectly this vote.

I've never been in the warm whilst Tories are in power too.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I generally drive at about 70-80 on motorways. I sometimes do between 80 and 90 in short bursts but don't feel comfortable driving at those speeds. Anyone driving above 100 is a moron and should have their licence revoked for 10 years.

I'm always staggered when you are trundling along the motorway at about 60 - 70 in the dark and it is hammering it down with rain and you see cretins bombing past at about 100mph! How can they even see that far ahead coz i bloody well can't and i'm doing far less speed?!

If a car switches lanes suddenly then these idiots haven't a hope in hell of stopping in time.

Accidents waiting to happen.

I had a car do this on the M3 earlier this year - everyone doing about 40/50mph it was that bad, he was doing 70+. Saw him a mile down the road hopping about in the central reservation with his mangled car next to him. My heart bled, poor love.

[SydneyRover]

Truss wins. Just listened to her speech on talkradio.

She thanked Rishi Sunak and said that the very fact she was competing against him was a indication of the depth of talent in the party!!

 

I'd say the very fact that either are anywhere remotely near becoming PM is a clear indication as to how screwed our country is.

The next indicator to watch out for is whether either Dorries or Coffey are anywhere in the government Truss announces...and that includes junior ministership. If either of these people - who are not merely just incompetent buffoons but nasty with it as well - are given any power whatsoever it'll just serve as an indictment of the lack of quality of the Tory pool of MPs.

I'm hoping that they were only given jobs because of the growing number of MPs who wouldn't serve under Boris restricting the quality of choice of MPs who would; which I hope for the country's sake isn't a problem inherited by Truss.

The only bit of news remotely good is that Johnson SP IV is no longer the PM

[Colin C No.3]

IMO it has already been decided that Sunak will win and it was decided a long time ago. No evidence, just a gut feeling.

How are your guts this afternoon?

[turnbull for england]

My first time was the 6-0 win, freezing and rickety wooden stand, never been there when it&#039;s warm

&quot;Freezing and rickety wooden stand&quot; - fits perfectly this vote.

I've never been in the warm whilst Tories are in power too.

the


I've no idea how that got there ! Removed Brr just for clarity on your post

[Panda]

IMO it has already been decided that Sunak will win and it was decided a long time ago. No evidence, just a gut feeling.

How are your guts this afternoon?

Cashed out a few days ago and got my stake back. Bet that makes your piss boil doesn't it Mr number 3? 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Survation poll today.

Q1 Who would you vote for in a GE today:
Lab 43%
Con 33%


Q2. Who would you vote for in a GE today with Keir Starmer as Lab leader and Liz Truss as Con leader.

Lab 46%
Con 29%

Who was it who was lecturing me a few months ago that the Tories would bounce back when they got rid of Johnson?

[Panda]

If Truss sorts out the NHS properly and not just chucking money at it, makes GP's do a full time job for their ridiculous salaries, stops illegal migrants coming over on dinghies, raises the minimum wage to £15 which is bare minimum what it should be, sorts out the woke police force and the pathetic failing criminal justice system, builds more prisons, stops the indoctrination of our kids in schools with trans / lgbtq crap, significantly reduces petrol and diesel prices, sorts out our energy crisis, puts an end to the covid emergency law once and for all, scraps all this green nonsense, stops giving Ukraine shit loads of cash when our pensioners are starving and freezing, increases disability benefit so disabled people can actually have some semblance of existence and tells the truth more often than not then i might vote for her.

Reality is that none of the above will get done though. Like it won't under Labour.

[danumdon]

If Truss sorts out the NHS properly and not just chucking money at it, makes GP's do a full time job for their ridiculous salaries, stops illegal migrants coming over on dinghies, raises the minimum wage to £15 which is bare minimum what it should be, sorts out the woke police force and the pathetic failing criminal justice system, builds more prisons, stops the indoctrination of our kids in schools with trans / lgbtq crap, significantly reduces petrol and diesel prices, sorts out our energy crisis, puts an end to the covid emergency law once and for all, scraps all this green nonsense, stops giving Ukraine shit loads of cash when our pensioners are starving and freezing, increases disability benefit so disabled people can actually have some semblance of existence and tells the truth more often than not then i might vote for her.

Reality is that none of the above will get done though. Like it won't under Labour.

Could of saved yourself a job there, the last paragraph was enough.

There's no political party in this country that could even guarantee you 15% of that wish list.

[Panda]

If Truss sorts out the NHS properly and not just chucking money at it, makes GP's do a full time job for their ridiculous salaries, stops illegal migrants coming over on dinghies, raises the minimum wage to £15 which is bare minimum what it should be, sorts out the woke police force and the pathetic failing criminal justice system, builds more prisons, stops the indoctrination of our kids in schools with trans / lgbtq crap, significantly reduces petrol and diesel prices, sorts out our energy crisis, puts an end to the covid emergency law once and for all, scraps all this green nonsense, stops giving Ukraine shit loads of cash when our pensioners are starving and freezing, increases disability benefit so disabled people can actually have some semblance of existence and tells the truth more often than not then i might vote for her.

Reality is that none of the above will get done though. Like it won't under Labour.

Could of saved yourself a job there, the last paragraph was enough.

There's no political party in this country that could even guarantee you 15% of that wish list.

Haha you've got a fair point there DD.

Reality is though that they need to otherwise they've failed but just my view.

[danumdon]

Survation poll today.

Q1 Who would you vote for in a GE today:
Lab 43%
Con 33%


Q2. Who would you vote for in a GE today with Keir Starmer as Lab leader and Liz Truss as Con leader.

Lab 46%
Con 29%

Who was it who was lecturing me a few months ago that the Tories would bounce back when they got rid of Johnson?

Not sure who you refer to (not me) but would it not have been a more sensible thing to wait a few weeks and see what this PM can muster, a poll before she has announced anything and not even sat in the chair is worthless (but keeps them all in business)

You would look quite foolish if the polls start to change in the next few weeks, Even Truss could have some sort of dead cat bounce.

[wilts rover]

How pleased are you that Liz Truss is the next PM

22% pleased
50% disappointed

Confidence in her cost of living policies?

19% confident
67% not confident

YouGov all adults

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1566819013375758336

[drfchound]

Wilts, I don’t think anyone will have confidence in any of the proposed cost of living solutions that are being bandied about.
It will need a miracle worker to sort out the mess we are facing right now.

[Panda]

Priti Patel has resigned. Who'd know any different?!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Patel isn't snarlingly nasty enough. Braverman is going to replace her.

[Panda]

Patel isn't snarlingly nasty enough. Braverman is going to replace her.

That would be a significant improvement Billy. Patel epitomises the Tories. All mouth, no action.

[wilts rover]

Pound hits its lowest ever level in history on Bloomberg's comparison index.

That's what the markets think about her:


https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1566848247506821120

[tyke1962]

I can't think of a time or at least in my lifetime when the opposition have been virtually handed the keys to number 10 on a silver plate by doing absolutely nothing what so ever .

The latest PM rolled out by the Tories on what seems like some revolving door policy just about in my opinion guarantees a Labour government at the next GE .

Even by this country's diminishing standards there isn't anyway Dizzy Lizzy could ever win over the electorate and win a GE , even 61k plus 20% of abstentions or spoilt ballot papers of Tory members didn't want her and her opponent was a brown man ffs , holds a Green Card in the US , his wife doesn't pay tax here and he's the biggest socialist chancellor since 1945 .

Even the vast majority of the parliamentary Tory Party don't want her .

The only real question is how long she will last .

Not long in my opinion .

[BillyStubbsTears]

"I can't think of a time or at least in my lifetime when the opposition have been virtually handed the keys to number 10 on a silver plate by doing absolutely nothing what so ever."

In fairness, it would have taken a spectacular effort on Labour's part to have lost in 1997.

[normal rules]

She has said within a week she will have a response to the energy crisis.
The judgement begins in one week.
Will it be the right thing to do? Will it be enough?
We shall see.

[tyke1962]

"I can't think of a time or at least in my lifetime when the opposition have been virtually handed the keys to number 10 on a silver plate by doing absolutely nothing what so ever."

In fairness, it would have taken a spectacular effort on Labour's part to have lost in 1997.

I'm always reminded of the time the Tories turned on Thatcher .

She just beaten Heseltine in the first round of the Tory leadership .

She said to a close advisor , " I've beaten them , I told you I would "

The advisor remarked " yes Margaret you did but a 1/3 of the Party don't want you "

She was gone within a week .

[wilts rover]

Wilts, I don’t think anyone will have confidence in any of the proposed cost of living solutions that are being bandied about.
It will need a miracle worker to sort out the mess we are facing right now.

Both the Labour Party and Energy industry have come up with (broadly) similar ideas. If reports are correct she is determined to reject them both.

Energy supplies companies are making £billions in profits, CEO's are getting an average 39% pay rise, city financiers are receiving £1 million bonuses. I know what my solution would be.

[tyke1962]

She has said within a week she will have a response to the energy crisis.
The judgement begins in one week.
Will it be the right thing to do? Will it be enough?
We shall see.

Word on the street is Dizzy Lizzy is going to be offering loans to those on lower or mid incomes to be paid back when prices drop ( if they do ) and then added to your bill .