Sunak or Truss

[wilts rover]

What Labour called for was for private energy production companies to use some of their massive profits to subsidise the taxpayer.

What we appear to be getting is the taxpayer subsidising the massive profits of the energy production companies.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here's the new Chancellor lying through his teeth just before the last election.
12:06 here.

https://youtu.be/Sdc7ou1TxOs

Once more, this really didn't used to happen in years gone by. Now it's standard among Tory ministers.

[Panda]

What Labour called for was for private energy production companies to use some of their massive profits to subsidise the taxpayer.

What we appear to be getting is the taxpayer subsidising the massive profits of the energy production companies.

Isn't that what has been happening for years with Tax credits top ups and UC top ups? The likes of multi-billionaire companies like McDonalds paying their staff minimum wage and then those staff getting their wages topped up by low income benefits at the taxpayers expense? Instead of getting these huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage.

[Panda]

Therese Coffey is health secretary!! God have mercy on my soul. Mind you, the size of her, she could get a job as an NHS nurse and fit in no probs.

[Bentley Bullet]

What Labour called for was for private energy production companies to use some of their massive profits to subsidise the taxpayer.

What we appear to be getting is the taxpayer subsidising the massive profits of the energy production companies.

Isn't that what has been happening for years with Tax credits top ups and UC top ups? The likes of multi-billionaire companies like McDonalds paying their staff minimum wage and then those staff getting their wages topped up by low income benefits at the taxpayers expense? Instead of getting these huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage.

How do you get huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage?

[albie]

Great friend of Vlad and the Saudis, is owd Liz;
https://declassifieduk.org/liz-truss-approved-289m-of-uk-exports-with-potential-military-use-to-russia-before-ukraine-invasion/

Good to know she has favours in the bank, ready to call in.

15- all your serve

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/letter-reveals-intelligence-ties-between-blairs-britain-and-gaddafis-libya

Quite so, CLH, quite so.

Blair was very supportive of the interests of BP in Russia as well, and canvassed Putin on their behalf.

No-one would suggest that Blair was other than a compromised figure, of low moral standing.
The point is that Truss has form as well, and that will be reflected in her priorities.

Keep in mind that Liz was once a Shell employee, when she finally explains her energy plans.
It will be interesting to see if the interests of Shell are knocked back, or supported!

[tyke1962]

What Labour called for was for private energy production companies to use some of their massive profits to subsidise the taxpayer.

What we appear to be getting is the taxpayer subsidising the massive profits of the energy production companies.

Isn't that what has been happening for years with Tax credits top ups and UC top ups? The likes of multi-billionaire companies like McDonalds paying their staff minimum wage and then those staff getting their wages topped up by low income benefits at the taxpayers expense? Instead of getting these huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage.

How do you get huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage?

It's called collective bargaining BB .

[BillyStubbsTears]

The sheer economic illiteracy of the Tories is quite something to behold.

For 12 years, we've had the lowest interest rates in history. At times, the finance markets were prepared to lend money to the Govt at negative interest rates. The Tory Govt insisted that it was wrong to borrow to invest in the nation's infrastructure. We endured the worst decade for growth of living standards since the Napoleonic Wars.

Now inflation is rising and interest rates are going up. That is precisely NOT the time to be borrowing loads and pouring it into the economy. Because you risk inflation exploding and your currency collapsing. Plus you have to pay higher interest on your borrowing.

So have a guess what the new PM and Chancellor have said they are going to do?

[Bentley Bullet]

What Labour called for was for private energy production companies to use some of their massive profits to subsidise the taxpayer.

What we appear to be getting is the taxpayer subsidising the massive profits of the energy production companies.

Isn't that what has been happening for years with Tax credits top ups and UC top ups? The likes of multi-billionaire companies like McDonalds paying their staff minimum wage and then those staff getting their wages topped up by low income benefits at the taxpayers expense? Instead of getting these huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage.

How do you get huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage?

It's called collective bargaining BB .

So, if as a result of collective bargaining huge companies pay their staff another 5 quid an hour, does that mean the government can knock reduce top-ups accordingly, and relieve the tax payer?

[BillyStubbsTears]

What Labour called for was for private energy production companies to use some of their massive profits to subsidise the taxpayer.

What we appear to be getting is the taxpayer subsidising the massive profits of the energy production companies.

Subsidising them to make profits of up to £170bn according to...checks notes...the Govt's own predictions.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/uk-predicts-up-to-170-billion-excess-profits-for-energy-firms#xj4y7vzkg

[tyke1962]

What Labour called for was for private energy production companies to use some of their massive profits to subsidise the taxpayer.

What we appear to be getting is the taxpayer subsidising the massive profits of the energy production companies.

Isn't that what has been happening for years with Tax credits top ups and UC top ups? The likes of multi-billionaire companies like McDonalds paying their staff minimum wage and then those staff getting their wages topped up by low income benefits at the taxpayers expense? Instead of getting these huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage.

How do you get huge companies to pay their staff a decent living wage?

It's called collective bargaining BB .

So, if as a result of collective bargaining huge companies pay their staff another 5 quid an hour, does that mean the government can knock reduce top-ups accordingly, and relieve the tax payer?

That would work for me BB .

[tyke1962]

Tories today are polling at 28% , it took Thatcher to throw 4m on the dole to hit that number .

Dizzy Lizzy has managed it before she formed a cabinet .

[wilts rover]

Truss called an imbecile for sacking Johnny Mercer (ex veteran) as Veterans Minster - and accused of giving jobs to her mates.

Hows' the task of 'bringing the party back together again' going then?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11186611/Sacked-veterans-minister-Johnny-Mercers-wife-calls-Liz-Truss-IMBECILE-comparing-Muppet.html

[Ldr]

Therese Coffey is health secretary!! God have mercy on my soul. Mind you, the size of her, she could get a job as an NHS nurse and fit in no probs.

Fat shaming isn’t clever Panda

[Panda]

Therese Coffey is health secretary!! God have mercy on my soul. Mind you, the size of her, she could get a job as an NHS nurse and fit in no probs.

Fat shaming isn’t clever Panda

I'm not sure she's ashamed.

Obese people should not be working in health professions. They need to set an example.

[Bentley Bullet]

Therese Coffey is health secretary!! God have mercy on my soul. Mind you, the size of her, she could get a job as an NHS nurse and fit in no probs.

Fat shaming isn’t clever Panda

I'm not sure she's ashamed.

Obese people should not be working in health professions. They need to set an example.

Should skinny health professionals work with anorexic people?

[phil old leake]

Panda so who should work as health professionals. The NHS would be  knackered more than it is now with that thinking process.  No fat people no diabetics no smokers no drinkers. You can’t obviously just rule out fat people if it’s an example you are looking at.  What would constitute someone giving a good example that makes them suitable

Does that also mean the education secretary has to be university educated and couldn’t be a run of the mill person with few qualifications

[BillyStubbsTears]

Quote of the Day.

https://mobile.twitter.com/estwebber/status/1567176741600346113

[Bentley Bullet]

Panda so who should work as health professionals. The NHS would be  knackered more than it is now with that thinking process.  No fat people no diabetics no smokers no drinkers. You can’t obviously just rule out fat people if it’s an example you are looking at.  What would constitute someone giving a good example that makes them suitable

Does that also mean the education secretary has to be university educated and couldn’t be a run of the mill person with few qualifications

Does it also mean the leader of the Labour party shouldn't be a multi-millionaire?

[SydneyRover]

Panda so who should work as health professionals. The NHS would be  knackered more than it is now with that thinking process.  No fat people no diabetics no smokers no drinkers. You can’t obviously just rule out fat people if it’s an example you are looking at.  What would constitute someone giving a good example that makes them suitable

Does that also mean the education secretary has to be university educated and couldn’t be a run of the mill person with few qualifications

careful phil, that's dangerously close to woke

[mugnapper]

Truss called an imbecile for sacking Johnny Mercer (ex veteran) as Veterans Minster - and accused of giving jobs to her mates.

Hows' the task of 'bringing the party back together again' going then?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11186611/Sacked-veterans-minister-Johnny-Mercers-wife-calls-Liz-Truss-IMBECILE-comparing-Muppet.html

Much as I try not to click on any link to the Mail or the Sun, I’m glad I clicked on that.

[phil old leake]

Steady Syd that’s not going to happen

You raise a good point BB

[BigH]

The sheer economic illiteracy of the Tories is quite something to behold.

For 12 years, we've had the lowest interest rates in history. At times, the finance markets were prepared to lend money to the Govt at negative interest rates. The Tory Govt insisted that it was wrong to borrow to invest in the nation's infrastructure. We endured the worst decade for growth of living standards since the Napoleonic Wars.

Now inflation is rising and interest rates are going up. That is precisely NOT the time to be borrowing loads and pouring it into the economy. Because you risk inflation exploding and your currency collapsing. Plus you have to pay higher interest on your borrowing.

So have a guess what the new PM and Chancellor have said they are going to do?

The thing is this dates back to when Cameron and Osborne got voted in.

The international scene was set for growth with international governments, the IMF and World Bank agreed on low debt costs to fuel recovery through growth after the Great Recession.

What did Cameron and Osborne do? Precisely nothing to stimulate growth. In football terms, a missed open goal. Instead, they focused on a particularly vindictive policy of paring back the state to pay for deficit reduction while subbing their electoral base with pension triple locks and tax breaks. However, all this did was leave our social fabric tattered and a deficit consistently refinanced onto longer term debt which, until now, the markets have been largely content to tolerate.

To be fair to May, Johnson and, now, Truss, they have all had to work with this legacy. An economic legacy made worse by Brexit by the way.

The markets are now seeing through this. A structurally weakened economy at odds with it's main trading partner, particularly exposed to volatile energy costs (because we didn't have an appropriate energy strategy), led by a government that wants to borrow more, in part so it can facilitate tax cuts!

A mess.

[Panda]

Panda so who should work as health professionals. The NHS would be  knackered more than it is now with that thinking process.  No fat people no diabetics no smokers no drinkers. You can’t obviously just rule out fat people if it’s an example you are looking at.  What would constitute someone giving a good example that makes them suitable

Does that also mean the education secretary has to be university educated and couldn’t be a run of the mill person with few qualifications

Yeah fair points Phil. I was being a bit facetious. I guess a nurse can still do her / his job effectively if overweight and i shouldn't judge them for it but i draw the line at being lectured by docs and nurses about living a healthy lifestyle if they too are not exactly the epitome of health.

I'm overweight and it is a combination of psychological factors and simply putting too much food in my mouth.

I went to my docs for a blood test last year and the new nurse was huge, had a face ballooned like a beetroot and was sweating profusely and had laboured breathing. Like she was in the throes of giving birth! It wasn't a pleasant experience for me. Then they have the cheek to weigh you during a healthcheck and advise you on losing a few pounds and getting some exercise! No lie.

On health secretaries. How is it even possible to get anything done or plan anything when they keep changing.

Matt Hancock, Sajid Javid, Steve Barclay and now Therese Coffey in the space of a few years. Lunacy. Give it until the GE then there will be another one! Yet they want to address the issues in the NHS and with health inequality! Not gonna happen with turnover like that.

[phil old leake]

Panda you’re right about changing health secretary all the time. All these departments need consistency.   With the best will in the world it’s going to be a mammoth task to sort the NHS before sn election. I think the best we can hope for is that it starts to go in the right direction.  It is a mess at the minute.  We’ve just been notified that our GP surgery is closing next year.  It’s ok though they’ve told us not to worry.

[Panda]

Also, Truss needs to address disability benefits. If someone can't work due to disability then they should get the equivalent of a minimum wage full time job as that is what they would get as a minimum if they were able to work.

How can people live off the paltry amounts that are paid to disabled people?

[bpoolrover]

Also, Truss needs to address disability benefits. If someone can't work due to disability then they should get the equivalent of a minimum wage full time job as that is what they would get as a minimum if they were able to work.

How can people live off the paltry amounts that are paid to disabled people?

your right about the money the problem is so many people play the system it ruins it for the ones that genuinely need it

[Panda]

Also, Truss needs to address disability benefits. If someone can't work due to disability then they should get the equivalent of a minimum wage full time job as that is what they would get as a minimum if they were able to work.

How can people live off the paltry amounts that are paid to disabled people?

your right about the money the problem is so many people play the system it ruins it for the ones that genuinely need it

Disagree. If you've tried to get disability benefits, or know anyone who has, you'll know that the days of getting signed off for years with a bad back are long gone. The system now is almost impenetrable for even people with serious, genuine illness and disability let alone anyone swinging the lead.

If anyone tells me these days that they are on disability benefit then i absolutely 100% know that they must be seriously impaired and unable to work whereas 15 or so years ago i'd have looked at them with scepticism.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, Truss doubled and trebled down on "no Windfall Tax" today.

That is politically insane. It gives Labour their 2024 election posters on a plate. "Truss let BP and Shell pocket £2500 per second in unearned profits that YOU and your kids are paying for."

[Panda]

Well, Truss doubled and trebled down on "no Windfall Tax" today.

That is politically insane. It gives Labour their 2024 election posters on a plate. "Truss let BP and Shell pocket £2500 per second in unearned profits that YOU and your kids are paying for."

Something i DO agree with Billy. Yes, we need help with energy but this way of doing it is typical Tory and not the right way.