Ravenhill

[roversdude]

That was premeditated from Dunk nothing short of assault and sent out to do that by Poyet

[BillyStubbsTears]

Talking of bad tackles on the opening day of the season remember when Dunk put Sharp out for the season with what no doubt should have been a red (did he even get booked?)

Now that was one to complain about pretty sure we'd have stayed up if Sharp was fit (if that was the year we got relegated can't remember now)

It was the Year of the Experiment.

We wouldn't have stayed up with Billy Whizz up front.

That's still one of the worst fouls I've ever seen not get a red card though. Proper potential career-ender.

I think had Billy not been injured and out for so long we wouldn't have had the experiment.

Did you see the defence we started that season with? Sharp could have scored every game and we'd still have struggled to pick up a point a game. Ryan was never going to settle for that. It wasn't in his nature.

Sharp only missed 7 league games by the way.

[dickos1]

Talking of bad tackles on the opening day of the season remember when Dunk put Sharp out for the season with what no doubt should have been a red (did he even get booked?)

Now that was one to complain about pretty sure we'd have stayed up if Sharp was fit (if that was the year we got relegated can't remember now)

It was the Year of the Experiment.

We wouldn't have stayed up with Billy Whizz up front.

That's still one of the worst fouls I've ever seen not get a red card though. Proper potential career-ender.

I think had Billy not been injured and out for so long we wouldn't have had the experiment.

Did you see the defence we started that season with? Sharp could have scored every game and we'd still have struggled to pick up a point a game. Ryan was never going to settle for that. It wasn't in his nature.

Sharp only missed 7 league games by the way.

Friend, spurr, naylor, dumbuya

Not too shabby that,

[Colin C No.3]

With all due respects f**k Dunk!

This is about ‘putting your arms’ around a young player who has seen his ‘fair’ tackle possibly side lined a midfield ‘compatriot’ for much if not all of a season where he was looking to make his mark on his debut for his new club.

Liam will need ‘comfort & guidance’ from his manager which I hope & expect he will get in abundance, plus plenty of ‘guidance’ from his dad.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Talking of bad tackles on the opening day of the season remember when Dunk put Sharp out for the season with what no doubt should have been a red (did he even get booked?)

Now that was one to complain about pretty sure we'd have stayed up if Sharp was fit (if that was the year we got relegated can't remember now)

It was the Year of the Experiment.

We wouldn't have stayed up with Billy Whizz up front.

That's still one of the worst fouls I've ever seen not get a red card though. Proper potential career-ender.

I think had Billy not been injured and out for so long we wouldn't have had the experiment.

Did you see the defence we started that season with? Sharp could have scored every game and we'd still have struggled to pick up a point a game. Ryan was never going to settle for that. It wasn't in his nature.

Sharp only missed 7 league games by the way.

Friend, spurr, naylor, dumbuya

Not too shabby that,

Naylor and Dumbuya were playing two divisions above their level.

Naylor had played 6 games in 10 months before that season started. He played 13 games for us. We conceded 24 goals. He then dropped 2 divisions and played 5 more games before retiring.

Dumbuya played ten games for us that season. We conceded 21 goals. He then left for a succession of short stays in leagues 1 and 2 and Scotland.

And you're forgetting they had Gary Woods behind them, who was about as much a Championship level keeper as I am.

[RoversAlias]

Christ we are never going to get over the Dunk thing, huh?

Quite the narrative that has been built into mythos about it over the years since too. Maybe Bradford will do the same with Ravenhill now.

[Colin C No.3]

Talking of bad tackles on the opening day of the season remember when Dunk put Sharp out for the season with what no doubt should have been a red (did he even get booked?)

Now that was one to complain about pretty sure we'd have stayed up if Sharp was fit (if that was the year we got relegated can't remember now)

It was the Year of the Experiment.

We wouldn't have stayed up with Billy Whizz up front.

That's still one of the worst fouls I've ever seen not get a red card though. Proper potential career-ender.

I think had Billy not been injured and out for so long we wouldn't have had the experiment.

Did you see the defence we started that season with? Sharp could have scored every game and we'd still have struggled to pick up a point a game. Ryan was never going to settle for that. It wasn't in his nature.

Sharp only missed 7 league games by the way.

Friend, spurr, naylor, dumbuya

Not too shabby that,

Naylor and Dumbuya were playing two divisions above their level.

Naylor had played 6 games in 10 months before that season started. He played 13 games for us. We conceded 24 goals. He then dropped 2 divisions and played 5 more games before retiring.

Dumbuya played ten games for us that season. We conceded 21 goals. He then left for a succession of short stays in leagues 1 and 2 and Scotland.

And you're forgetting they had Gary Woods behind them, who was about as much a Championship level keeper as I am.

Don’t we just love them stats BST.

Keep ‘em coming to give us cheer throughout the coming season…….not!

[PDX_Rover]

Some real shite written in Bradford’s match report… says “Emmanuel Osadebe was scythed down by a crushing challenge from Doncaster’s Liam Ravenhill.”

Absolute b*llocks.

[Bentley Bullet]

Media reports have to be taken with a pinch of salt unless it suits, and when they do you can take them as gospel. Of course, sports reports are no different to political ones in that respect.

[Sammy Chung was King]

As soon as you leave your feet in a tackle, you’ve lost all control of the situation. He goes in for the slide tackle and his momentum takes him through the player. It’s natural for his other foot to follow the other, nothing you can do about that.
 He needs to stay on his feet more. He will get better at that with experience. He was fired up and wanted to do well, nothing wrong with that but maybe calm down a bit. Good honest guy, he will do well for us.

[Chris Black come back]

A reminder that in one of the biggest games in the recent history of Brighton, we took the lead and were ahead until the 83rd minute, and behind only in the 90th minute. Dunk took Sharp out of the game in the 55th minute. We played over half an hour without at that time one of the best strikers in the league. Dunk should have gone.

[roversdude]

His left foot was planted on the pitch

[dickos1]

Talking of bad tackles on the opening day of the season remember when Dunk put Sharp out for the season with what no doubt should have been a red (did he even get booked?)

Now that was one to complain about pretty sure we'd have stayed up if Sharp was fit (if that was the year we got relegated can't remember now)

It was the Year of the Experiment.

We wouldn't have stayed up with Billy Whizz up front.

That's still one of the worst fouls I've ever seen not get a red card though. Proper potential career-ender.

I think had Billy not been injured and out for so long we wouldn't have had the experiment.

Did you see the defence we started that season with? Sharp could have scored every game and we'd still have struggled to pick up a point a game. Ryan was never going to settle for that. It wasn't in his nature.

Sharp only missed 7 league games by the way.

Friend, spurr, naylor, dumbuya

Not too shabby that,

Naylor and Dumbuya were playing two divisions above their level.

Naylor had played 6 games in 10 months before that season started. He played 13 games for us. We conceded 24 goals. He then dropped 2 divisions and played 5 more games before retiring.

Dumbuya played ten games for us that season. We conceded 21 goals. He then left for a succession of short stays in leagues 1 and 2 and Scotland.

And you're forgetting they had Gary Woods behind them, who was about as much a Championship level keeper as I am.

We were by far the better side in that match until sharp went off,
We then lost hayter and mason,
If those 3 had stayed fit the experiment would never have happened

[selby]

  Looking at the stills it looks like the Bradford player is doing the modern thing of just dangling his leg in there not particularly looking to play the ball tying to buy a foul and at least a booking for the opposition player coming in for the ball, and had no weight behind his tackle, in fact leaning back with his foot high ready to go up and over the top.
 The art of tackling is not taught now at all, it is all slap across with the leg and grab the shirt, or pull them down from behind with a trip as they break away, it is asking for injuries if met head on with the shoulder or weight behind it that was common in the game.
   From the still photo I have seen I think their player is partly responsible for the severity of the injury, being late in for the ball and his body shape approach to the tackle, in fact going in to get a player sent off or booked early in the game and came unstuck.

[steve@dcfd]

Having slowed it down several times when Ravenhill makes contact with the ball is foot is close to the floor. It then rises up slightly and makes contact with the player who was slightly late arriving. The momentum carried Ravenhill through. to the player as Selby says was dangling his leg. You not see many sliding tackles now and staying on his feet would have avoided the incident but Ravenhill went for and got the ball first.
 Last night in the ladies Final Oberdorf came from the side with sliding scissor tackle got the ball and the player and the ref played on.But that tackle was all wrong and would have been punished in the premier league

[ncRover]

We need to make sure Liam hears our support for him on Saturday

[dickos1]

The ball was 80-20 in the Bradford players favour but he didn’t fancy it and Ravenhill did

[PDX_Rover]

Having slowed it down several times when Ravenhill makes contact with the ball is foot is close to the floor. It then rises up slightly and makes contact with the player who was slightly late arriving. The momentum carried Ravenhill through. to the player as Selby says was dangling his leg. You not see many sliding tackles now and staying on his feet would have avoided the incident but Ravenhill went for and got the ball first.
 Last night in the ladies Final Oberdorf came from the side with sliding scissor tackle got the ball and the player and the ref played on.But that tackle was all wrong and would have been punished in the premier league

Oberdorf should have been off. Persistently fouled. There was one early in the first half where it was a clear yellow and the ref gave the free kick but no card. Nailed on. Ref was poor I thought.

[rich1471]

As soon as you leave your feet in a tackle, you’ve lost all control of the situation. He goes in for the slide tackle and his momentum takes him through the player. It’s natural for his other foot to follow the other, nothing you can do about that.
 He needs to stay on his feet more. He will get better at that with experience. He was fired up and wanted to do well, nothing wrong with that but maybe calm down a bit. Good honest guy, he will do well for us.

The reason he was fired up is he was hit late in a tackle 3 minutes before and the ref waved play on. It was a good tackle by ravenhill not late but just fully committed and unfortunately the other player got hurt.

[anton123]

Iv had my doubts about ravenhill , if he is ready or not for mens football ? , well he answered my question on Saturday, give the lad the nod on Saturday for me now to give him the clubs backing and the fans backing

[NickDRFC]

He’s still young but I actually thought he was a bit younger - he’s 20 in November. If you look at previous successes from our youth team, Greeny had played 40 odd games by his age and Husband had played 50 odd. Hoping he is ready as we’re very light on cover in that area so he’s probably in line to play quite a bit this season.

[The Beast]

For 98% of the history of the beautiful game the Ravenhill tackle would be classed as a great tackle, as the rules stand now it should've probably been classed as reckless and a sending off. The way the game has evolved probably made the injury as bad as it was, as Osadebe was probably not expecting a full blooded tackle and is not protecting himself properly, as Selby says.
I was always taught that you can't defend on your bum, I used to find it frustrating watching Ravenhill senior slide into nearly every tackle, maybe someone needs to slightly tweak Liam's game to channel his aggression in a slightly different way. Hope this incident doesn't affect him too badly and he can continue to flourish.

[Alan Southstand]

What was Ravenhill supposed to do then, just give it up? If he’d have done that, there would be all and sundry on here moaning that he’d ‘bottled it’.

[GazLaz]

The ball was that far away from the Bradford lad that Liam could have nicked it without even making a challenge.

[Alan Southstand]

Disagree Gaz, in slow motion it was 50-50.

[The Beast]

What was Ravenhill supposed to do then, just give it up? If he’d have done that, there would be all and sundry on here moaning that he’d ‘bottled it’.

'Bottling it' would probably be preferable to a double leg break.

[selby]

  Gazlaz, you are intimating that the Bradford lad was late putting a foot in which is how I saw the tackle, with the tackle on Ravenhill described on Radio Sheffield on Ravenhill that the commentator said on air could have been a sending off for the Bradford player after four minutes of the game, I think Bradford were after Ravenhill with his reputation and came unstuck, trying to get him sent off early in the game.
  We will never know, its happened hopefully he makes a full recovery in time, and if Bradford did look at how we performed when bullied in games last season, and we certainly had that reputation, and did start thinking they could bully us this season well more fool them, and hopefully other teams will take the fact it is no longer true we lay down and we see football games the rest of the season, but I would be happy and want to see us stand our corner if any start the rough stuff, and listening to the radio commentary they had already had a dig that could have been a sending off early in the game for the Bradford player conveniently not referred to by any Bradford supporter at the game or anyone on our forums. 

[danumdon]

  Gazlaz, you are intimating that the Bradford lad was late putting a foot in which is how I saw the tackle, with the tackle on Ravenhill described on Radio Sheffield on Ravenhill that the commentator said on air could have been a sending off for the Bradford player after four minutes of the game, I think Bradford were after Ravenhill with his reputation and came unstuck, trying to get him sent off early in the game.
  We will never know, its happened hopefully he makes a full recovery in time, and if Bradford did look at how we performed when bullied in games last season, and we certainly had that reputation, and did start thinking they could bully us this season well more fool them, and hopefully other teams will take the fact it is no longer true we lay down and we see football games the rest of the season, but I would be happy and want to see us stand our corner if any start the rough stuff, and listening to the radio commentary they had already had a dig that could have been a sending off early in the game for the Bradford player conveniently not referred to by any Bradford supporter at the game or anyone on our forums. 

Its a good point, its important that we don't let this cloud or alter or mind setup for the rest of the season.

I was appalled as many others on here to see our tepid and capitulating efforts last seson. No one is saying we turn into the reincarnation of Leeds United circa 1973 but its important we stand our ground and go into matches with a positive and proactive mindset.

I believe there is something in the tactic from BC on sat that was designed to intimidate and try to nullify our tenacity and creative players. The fact we stood up to this and saw it through should not only send a message to other teams in this league that we are not going to be messed about but that we will come at you with pace, skill and creativity (its why we brought in the players we did) and we will impose our gamelan whenever and wherever we can.

Looks to me like the new regime have been working on more than just getting the sick and infirm back up and running.

More please.

[The Beast]

The ball was that far away from the Bradford lad that Liam could have nicked it without even making a challenge.

Exactly, you stay on your feet and nick the ball, maybe you set up an attack from the high press. What was the best scenario from flying in at that angle? Probably a Bradford throw deep in their own half. What's the worst scenario? A broken leg and could've been a red card.
Hopefully Odabese makes a good recovery and it doesn't affect Liam psychologically.

[selby]

  Hopefully the tactic of going in late by Bradford players is stopped now when they realise there can be repercussions to their own players.