Ravenhill

[andyst79]

I'd be disappointed if I don't see another tackle like that from any of our players this year, it's a shame we didn't show that fight last season. I thought the tackle was fully committed and he won the ball cleanly and fairly. It was very unfortunate the Bradford player got injured and nobody wants to see that , however these are the type of tackles that fans appreciate especially in Derby games

[BillyStubbsTears]

  Gazlaz, you are intimating that the Bradford lad was late putting a foot in which is how I saw the tackle, with the tackle on Ravenhill described on Radio Sheffield on Ravenhill that the commentator said on air could have been a sending off for the Bradford player after four minutes of the game, I think Bradford were after Ravenhill with his reputation and came unstuck, trying to get him sent off early in the game.
  We will never know, its happened hopefully he makes a full recovery in time, and if Bradford did look at how we performed when bullied in games last season, and we certainly had that reputation, and did start thinking they could bully us this season well more fool them, and hopefully other teams will take the fact it is no longer true we lay down and we see football games the rest of the season, but I would be happy and want to see us stand our corner if any start the rough stuff, and listening to the radio commentary they had already had a dig that could have been a sending off early in the game for the Bradford player conveniently not referred to by any Bradford supporter at the game or anyone on our forums. 

Its a good point, its important that we don't let this cloud or alter or mind setup for the rest of the season.

I was appalled as many others on here to see our tepid and capitulating efforts last seson. No one is saying we turn into the reincarnation of Leeds United circa 1973 but its important we stand our ground and go into matches with a positive and proactive mindset.

I believe there is something in the tactic from BC on sat that was designed to intimidate and try to nullify our tenacity and creative players. The fact we stood up to this and saw it through should not only send a message to other teams in this league that we are not going to be messed about but that we will come at you with pace, skill and creativity (its why we brought in the players we did) and we will impose our gamelan whenever and wherever we can.

Looks to me like the new regime have been working on more than just getting the sick and infirm back up and running.

More please.

BC is no longer the preferred nomenclature.

BCE please.

[Move DRFC]

The ball was that far away from the Bradford lad that Liam could have nicked it without even making a challenge.

Exactly, you stay on your feet and nick the ball, maybe you set up an attack from the high press. What was the best scenario from flying in at that angle? Probably a Bradford throw deep in their own half. What's the worst scenario? A broken leg and could've been a red card.
Hopefully Odabese makes a good recovery and it doesn't affect Liam psychologically.

You're deciding what he should have done sat in front of your computer 72 hours after its happened. Ravenhill had about 1 second to decide what he was doing. It was 6 minutes into the new season in front of 20,000 people, he was up for it and he wanted to make his mark. No issue with that personally.

[Mike_F]

Exactly right, Move.

In the early stages of the season opener, he'd just been whacked by a bad tackle from one of their players, he saw a loose ball coming towards him and in a fraction of a second he instinctively said "mine" and played it with conviction. No intention to hurt his opponent, just a desire to assert his and the team's authority on the game. Exactly what we need.

Nobody likes to see a bad injury but having watched the replay over and over again the Bradford lad did himself no favours by going in so late and over the top. If he'd carried on and brought his foot down it would've been a potential leg-breaker on LR so he left all his weight on his standing leg which made his injury much worse. A terrible accident  but arguably a foul against LR.

[The Beast]

Not really, I've always been of the opinion that going to ground is in the main futile, unless a last ditch block or tackle. What are the two possible outcomes to that challenge? (a) Kick the ball out of play or to (b) leave your mark on an opponent,with option (a) the prize is a throw to Bradford, if you're looking to leave your mark (b), objective achieved.

[dickos1]

Disagree Gaz, in slow motion it was 50-50.

The ball was 80-20 in the Bradford players favour

[Mike_F]

not sure how you get that. I'd say it was more 80/20 in Ravenhill's favour, the ball was travelling towards him and away from the defender. Add in LR's closing speed towards the ball and it was there for him to win.

[selby]

  I can't believe that a player leaving his boot up in the air over the ball is deemed ok.  It is dangerous play, dangerous to the player tackling low just as much as him coming in low to the upper body and facial injuries with the studs showing, and a cheap shot.
  He knew what he was doing, and got caught himself, the commentaries over the last few years on TV and the modern way of flinging themselves up in the air at the first site of anyone sliding in has clouded the issue, and is spoiling the game and erring on the side of grappling and shirt pulling and cheap shots which have become the norm and accepted, and favour the cheats who buy free kicks.

[dickos1]

Here’s the photo when the ball falls inbetween them

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here’s the photo when the ball falls inbetween them

And in which direction and how fast was it moving?

[dickos1]

You want me to answer how fast it was moving?
If the Bradford player had gone with the same speed and determination he would’ve got there comfortably before ravenhill

[Alan Southstand]

The game didn’t stop at that point! It was a 50-50.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You want me to answer how fast it was moving?
If the Bradford player had gone with the same speed and determination he would’ve got there comfortably before ravenhill

I'm saying it's very, very silly to say it was 80/20 in the Bradford player's favour and to back that up with a still shot that doesn't take into account where the ball was moving.

[dickos1]

The game didn’t stop at that point! It was a 50-50.

Why would the game have stopped?
The game stopped after the injury we’re discussing where the ball was before the tackle!
Are u drunk

[Alan Southstand]

No, you stopped it with your photo - get a grip.

[Jonathan]

If we’re not careful we’ll end up back where we were last season drawing lines on the pitch to illustrate where Pontus Dahlberg was standing between the posts. And it felt like that could’ve gone on til Christmas!

The most sensible perspective is that this happened in a split second, and it’s all too easy to over analyse the replays.

My view is that Ravenhill went in full blooded for a ball that was there to be won. Did he absolutely need to go to ground? Probably not. But if he’d tried to Nick the ball then it’s likely he’d have got clattered and / or turned over possession. A half hearted challenge at that stage would’ve set the wrong tone so he went in fully committed. Absolutely no sign of intent to injure the opponent, it was just a really unfortunate outcome that nobody wants to see.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If we’re not careful we’ll end up back where we were last season drawing lines on the pitch to illustrate where Pontus Dahlberg was standing between the posts. And it felt like that could’ve gone on til Christmas!

The most sensible perspective is that this happened in a split second, and it’s all too easy to over analyse the replays.

My view is that Ravenhill went in full blooded for a ball that was there to be won. Did he absolutely need to go to ground? Probably not. But if he’d tried to Nick the ball then it’s likely he’d have got clattered and / or turned over possession. A half hearted challenge at that stage would’ve set the wrong tone so he went in fully committed. Absolutely no sign of intent to injure the opponent, it was just a really unfortunate outcome that nobody wants to see.

It never ceases to amaze me how strongly intelligent people react when someone points out facts that show they are wrong. That one you refer to from last season was a classic example. Almost like some folk prefer to have their opinions protected by a cloak of ignorance.

In this case, I entirely agree that the ball was there to be won and that Ravenhill went in hard for it. Anyone arguing it was an 80/20 ball for the Bradford lad to win is talking absolute nonsense. Which was all I was saying here. 

[drfchound]

If we’re not careful we’ll end up back where we were last season drawing lines on the pitch to illustrate where Pontus Dahlberg was standing between the posts. And it felt like that could’ve gone on til Christmas!

The most sensible perspective is that this happened in a split second, and it’s all too easy to over analyse the replays.

My view is that Ravenhill went in full blooded for a ball that was there to be won. Did he absolutely need to go to ground? Probably not. But if he’d tried to Nick the ball then it’s likely he’d have got clattered and / or turned over possession. A half hearted challenge at that stage would’ve set the wrong tone so he went in fully committed. Absolutely no sign of intent to injure the opponent, it was just a really unfortunate outcome that nobody wants to see.

It never ceases to amaze me how strongly intelligent people react when someone points out facts that show they are wrong. That one you refer to from last season was a classic example. Almost like some folk prefer to have their opinions protected by a cloak of ignorance.

In this case, I entirely agree that the ball was there to be won and that Ravenhill went in hard for it. Anyone arguing it was an 80/20 ball for the Bradford lad to win is talking absolute nonsense. Which was all I was saying here.

bst, other people posted stuff on the Dahlberg thing to prove that you were wrong.
Funny how some people react when someone points out they were wrong.

[Jonathan]

If we’re not careful we’ll end up back where we were last season drawing lines on the pitch to illustrate where Pontus Dahlberg was standing between the posts. And it felt like that could’ve gone on til Christmas!

The most sensible perspective is that this happened in a split second, and it’s all too easy to over analyse the replays.

My view is that Ravenhill went in full blooded for a ball that was there to be won. Did he absolutely need to go to ground? Probably not. But if he’d tried to Nick the ball then it’s likely he’d have got clattered and / or turned over possession. A half hearted challenge at that stage would’ve set the wrong tone so he went in fully committed. Absolutely no sign of intent to injure the opponent, it was just a really unfortunate outcome that nobody wants to see.

It never ceases to amaze me how strongly intelligent people react when someone points out facts that show they are wrong. That one you refer to from last season was a classic example. Almost like some folk prefer to have their opinions protected by a cloak of ignorance.

In this case, I entirely agree that the ball was there to be won and that Ravenhill went in hard for it. Anyone arguing it was an 80/20 ball for the Bradford lad to win is talking absolute nonsense. Which was all I was saying here. 

Like clockwork :-)

[BillyStubbsTears]

You bringing up old arguments? Aye. Every season.

[danumdon]

  Gazlaz, you are intimating that the Bradford lad was late putting a foot in which is how I saw the tackle, with the tackle on Ravenhill described on Radio Sheffield on Ravenhill that the commentator said on air could have been a sending off for the Bradford player after four minutes of the game, I think Bradford were after Ravenhill with his reputation and came unstuck, trying to get him sent off early in the game.
  We will never know, its happened hopefully he makes a full recovery in time, and if Bradford did look at how we performed when bullied in games last season, and we certainly had that reputation, and did start thinking they could bully us this season well more fool them, and hopefully other teams will take the fact it is no longer true we lay down and we see football games the rest of the season, but I would be happy and want to see us stand our corner if any start the rough stuff, and listening to the radio commentary they had already had a dig that could have been a sending off early in the game for the Bradford player conveniently not referred to by any Bradford supporter at the game or anyone on our forums. 

Its a good point, its important that we don't let this cloud or alter or mind setup for the rest of the season.

I was appalled as many others on here to see our tepid and capitulating efforts last seson. No one is saying we turn into the reincarnation of Leeds United circa 1973 but its important we stand our ground and go into matches with a positive and proactive mindset.

I believe there is something in the tactic from BC on sat that was designed to intimidate and try to nullify our tenacity and creative players. The fact we stood up to this and saw it through should not only send a message to other teams in this league that we are not going to be messed about but that we will come at you with pace, skill and creativity (its why we brought in the players we did) and we will impose our gamelan whenever and wherever we can.

Looks to me like the new regime have been working on more than just getting the sick and infirm back up and running.

More please.

BC is no longer the preferred nomenclature.

BCE please.

What are you wittering on about now!

[BillyStubbsTears]

  Gazlaz, you are intimating that the Bradford lad was late putting a foot in which is how I saw the tackle, with the tackle on Ravenhill described on Radio Sheffield on Ravenhill that the commentator said on air could have been a sending off for the Bradford player after four minutes of the game, I think Bradford were after Ravenhill with his reputation and came unstuck, trying to get him sent off early in the game.
  We will never know, its happened hopefully he makes a full recovery in time, and if Bradford did look at how we performed when bullied in games last season, and we certainly had that reputation, and did start thinking they could bully us this season well more fool them, and hopefully other teams will take the fact it is no longer true we lay down and we see football games the rest of the season, but I would be happy and want to see us stand our corner if any start the rough stuff, and listening to the radio commentary they had already had a dig that could have been a sending off early in the game for the Bradford player conveniently not referred to by any Bradford supporter at the game or anyone on our forums. 

Its a good point, its important that we don't let this cloud or alter or mind setup for the rest of the season.

I was appalled as many others on here to see our tepid and capitulating efforts last seson. No one is saying we turn into the reincarnation of Leeds United circa 1973 but its important we stand our ground and go into matches with a positive and proactive mindset.

I believe there is something in the tactic from BC on sat that was designed to intimidate and try to nullify our tenacity and creative players. The fact we stood up to this and saw it through should not only send a message to other teams in this league that we are not going to be messed about but that we will come at you with pace, skill and creativity (its why we brought in the players we did) and we will impose our gamelan whenever and wherever we can.

Looks to me like the new regime have been working on more than just getting the sick and infirm back up and running.

More please.

BC is no longer the preferred nomenclature.

BCE please.

What are you wittering on about now!

When you said BC tactics, I thought you were suggesting they we over 2000 years out of date.

[Jonathan]

You bringing up old arguments? Aye. Every season.

Do you know what I’d love to have a pint with you to see if either of us are such objectionable Kitsons in real life!

[Bentley Bullet]

Do we have to have this constant bickering from the same old culprits? It's getting boring now.

FFS get a room.

[Chris Black come back]

You bringing up old arguments? Aye. Every season.

Do you know what I’d love to have a pint with you to see if either of us are such objectionable Kitsons in real life!

Someone tried to arrange a ‘meet the forum’ event back in the Championship years. Not sure whether it ever happened or nobody spoke about it ever again, a little like a middle aged swinger party where everyone was mortified afterwards.

[selby]

  It wouldn't be a middle aged swingers party now, and it  would not be just because of the normal passage of time, god knows how many years the last two seasons have put on everyone, they  turned Hound and me grey.

[belton rover]

  Gazlaz, you are intimating that the Bradford lad was late putting a foot in which is how I saw the tackle, with the tackle on Ravenhill described on Radio Sheffield on Ravenhill that the commentator said on air could have been a sending off for the Bradford player after four minutes of the game, I think Bradford were after Ravenhill with his reputation and came unstuck, trying to get him sent off early in the game.
  We will never know, its happened hopefully he makes a full recovery in time, and if Bradford did look at how we performed when bullied in games last season, and we certainly had that reputation, and did start thinking they could bully us this season well more fool them, and hopefully other teams will take the fact it is no longer true we lay down and we see football games the rest of the season, but I would be happy and want to see us stand our corner if any start the rough stuff, and listening to the radio commentary they had already had a dig that could have been a sending off early in the game for the Bradford player conveniently not referred to by any Bradford supporter at the game or anyone on our forums. 

Its a good point, its important that we don't let this cloud or alter or mind setup for the rest of the season.

I was appalled as many others on here to see our tepid and capitulating efforts last seson. No one is saying we turn into the reincarnation of Leeds United circa 1973 but its important we stand our ground and go into matches with a positive and proactive mindset.

I believe there is something in the tactic from BC on sat that was designed to intimidate and try to nullify our tenacity and creative players. The fact we stood up to this and saw it through should not only send a message to other teams in this league that we are not going to be messed about but that we will come at you with pace, skill and creativity (its why we brought in the players we did) and we will impose our gamelan whenever and wherever we can.

Looks to me like the new regime have been working on more than just getting the sick and infirm back up and running.

More please.

BC is no longer the preferred nomenclature.

BCE please.

What are you wittering on about now!

When you said BC tactics, I thought you were suggesting they we over 2000 years out of date.

Nope. Still not funny.

[belton rover]

Do we have to have this constant bickering from the same old culprits? It's getting boring now.

FFS get a room.

I’m just pleased there isn’t a common denominator ruining Off Topic too.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

I'd be gutted if everyone went for a pint togethe. You'd all end up getting on like a house on fire and I'd never have anything to amuse me on here.

[Reg of the Rovers]

I think the reality is that we probably do all know each other, by sight at least! Given that we all go to the same place every week, all sit on the same coaches / trains and away stands and attend the same events - supporters clubs, meet the owners, kit launches etc etc I image we all nod and say 'ayup' to each other most weeks. I like to image in my more reflective moments who each of you might be sat near me