truss

[Bentley Bullet]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

Of course, you're wrong as usual, but then again I don't expect you to be anything other now.

Socialism could only work in a society of honest people. It's great in theory, but in practice, we're far from a society of honest people.

[SydneyRover]

''Socialism could only work in a society of honest people. It's great in theory, but in practice, we're far from a society of honest people''

As recent events from government have shown.

[ravenrover]

So there are 2 different 148s ?those who voted to support him in the Parliamentary VONC and those that were against him remaining as PM??
They lost all credibility then

No Raven. In the VONC, 211 voted for him, 148 wanted him out. So whilst he 'won' the vote, the fact 148 ie 40% of his MPs voted against him firced him out.

You are mixing up 2 seperate votes. The 148 who wanted him out in the party vote, voted to save him in tbe HoC VONC, hence they lost their credibilty then

[Colin C No.3]

Can you rip down gold wallpaper or emulsion over it in 44 days?

[River Don]

Can you rip down gold wallpaper or emulsion over it in 44 days?

Let's hope she hadn't got around to redecorating, the way things are going Carrieantoinette will be back in there before long.

[River Don]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

Of course, you're wrong as usual, but then again I don't expect you to be anything other now.

Socialism could only work in a society of honest people. It's great in theory, but in practice, we're far from a society of honest people.

Dishonesty and corruption is disasterous for any society, look at Italy, Greece and those kinds of countries that the UK seems to be modelling itself on these days.

[belton rover]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

And you really don’t think that some socialists would be more equal than others?

I don't think you understand 'Socialism'.

I don’t think you understand reality.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So there are 2 different 148s ?those who voted to support him in the Parliamentary VONC and those that were against him remaining as PM??
They lost all credibility then

No Raven. In the VONC, 211 voted for him, 148 wanted him out. So whilst he 'won' the vote, the fact 148 ie 40% of his MPs voted against him firced him out.

It was most of his government resigning that forced him out, not the confidence vote.

[i_ateallthepies]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

BB doesn't understand percentages, Mugnapper.  He clearly thinks he's in the 2%.

[BobG]

Johnson coming back could lead to long disaster for the Conservatives. He won't stop his antics no matter how many minders they surround him with. In the end, he, and the Conservative Party will get the blame for all the ills that are coming, Brexit related and none Brexit related. The One Nation Tories will be so pissed off that they will either abandon the party, leaving it as a libertarian rump. or rebrand themselves, again leaving it as a libertarian rump. These decades old splits in the Conservative Party are maturing into a serious threat to the continued existance of the Party.

BobG

[mugnapper]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

BB doesn't understand percentages, Mugnapper.  He clearly thinks he's in the 2%.

Reminds of the edition of Question Time when some foaming Gammon railed that the top 5% of earners should pay more tax. When asked how much he earned, he replied £85,000. It was pointed out to him that that put him in the top 5% of earners and he was incredulous and wouldn't have it lol

[i_ateallthepies]

It takes a certain kind of intelligence to be pro-Tory.

[mugnapper]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/question-time-salary-row-thursday-17299148.amp
It was £80k not £85k but not bad for a booze addled 60yo.
Interesting to see that he says his £80k salary doesn't put him in the 'top 50%' of earners, never mind top 5% lol

[Colemans Left Hook]

The most moronic of oxymorons is the ‘Working Class Tory’.

More moronic than a Champagne socialist?

Ooh look  BB commenting on a political post. It's been a while. I wonder why lol?
I think you are using the Daily Mail interpretation of the word 'Socialist'.
In a Socialist society, ALL people would be able to afford to drink what they liked (and put their Central Heating on) as the obscene wealth of the top couple of % would be redistributed to help the 98% below them.

Of course, you're wrong as usual, but then again I don't expect you to be anything other now.

Socialism could only work in a society of honest people. It's great in theory, but in practice, we're far from a society of honest people.

Dishonesty and corruption is disasterous for any society, look at Italy, Greece and those kinds of countries that the UK seems to be modelling itself on these days.

think you missed out Spain surprisingly 34th in "my old friend" the corruption index

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021

[River Don]

There are so many contradictions in this. Just a few weeks ago Johnson was being branded a con socialist, whose economic policies had delivered stagnation. What was required was a true tory budget... Now Boris must return, he's the only one who can save the tory party and Britain... But Sunak is a snake who ruined the economy! But who is Johnson preffefed Chancellor? That's right, Rishi Sunak!

[Bentley Bullet]

It takes a certain kind of intelligence to be pro-Tory.

Does that mean you don't qualify?

[BillyStubbsTears]

There's a genuinely interesting issue here.

Stripped down to their cores, the Right believe that we should accept inequality,the Left argue that we should reduce inequality.

I've always understood why some wealthy people would be left wing. They may be wealthy but be prepared to forgo some of that in the interests of a less divided society.

What I've never understood is why someone from the less wealthy side of society would support a still more unequal society. There's neither any personal, nor any wider societal gain.

The only argument for that would be if the Right wing approach raised the average economic performance by so much more than the left wing approach, that poorer people did better under the Right, even if the rich took most of the spoils. But that's absoltely not what has happened for the past hundred years.

And yet still working class folk vote Tory. I can only conclude that they are masochists, or fantasists who actually think they are (or will be) in the richer group.

[Bentley Bullet]

You'd have to ask them, but from what I gather most of them would gladly contribute to the genuinely needy, but not those who jump on the benefits bandwagon.

[i_ateallthepies]

It takes a certain kind of intelligence to be pro-Tory.

Does that mean you don't qualify?

It absolutely does.

[tommy toes]

There's more to the
 right wing than money though BST.

One example is the Brexit vote, where, despite what anyone says, immigration (ie racism) was the tipping point for leave.
And Brexit WAS, as you know, a right wing plan.
A remainer friend of mine is from Boston. He says nobody from there will say that immigration was an issue for them voting leave, despite it being the highest Brexit voting place in the country.

[River Don]

What it is I think BST is plenty of people believe they are only in a temporary difficulty and soon, things will improve and they'll be much better off. It's an optimistic vision.

Accepting that actually things are stacked against you and maybe you need help, that's defeatist thinking.

[BobG]

Personally, I call it greed. Greed by greedy people for selfish greedy reasons.

BobG

[tyke1962]

For all the Tory shenanigans and getting it big time from a vast number of Tory voters in the audience on tonight's Question Time .

Jess Philips still managed to wind me up the most with her nauseating accent and the ability to speak at a 100 words per second but still not actually say owt .

Awful woman .

Jess Philips wound you up because of her accent (not because of anything she actually said). Oh!!

Down with working class people with accents in Parliament.

Oh dear oh dear and yet your the one bringing class in to it .

Nowt to do with class , I find Miranda Hart and Michael Mcintyre equally nauseating .

Jess Philips justs irritates me , simple as that , the fact she's a Labour mp is neither here nor there .

[tyke1962]

There's a genuinely interesting issue here.

Stripped down to their cores, the Right believe that we should accept inequality,the Left argue that we should reduce inequality.

I've always understood why some wealthy people would be left wing. They may be wealthy but be prepared to forgo some of that in the interests of a less divided society.

What I've never understood is why someone from the less wealthy side of society would support a still more unequal society. There's neither any personal, nor any wider societal gain.

The only argument for that would be if the Right wing approach raised the average economic performance by so much more than the left wing approach, that poorer people did better under the Right, even if the rich took most of the spoils. But that's absoltely not what has happened for the past hundred years.

And yet still working class folk vote Tory. I can only conclude that they are masochists, or fantasists who actually think they are (or will be) in the richer group.

Agree to a point Billy but we have to remember the impact Thatcher had on many working class people .

Some did very very well out of her .

[BillyStubbsTears]

She's...err...get this!

She's doing a Resignation Honours List.

Like she'd been a real PM, rather than an overgrown teenager on work experience.

[BobG]

What? FFS!

This country is broken.

BobG

[tommy toes]

That's f**king ridiculous. Somebody stop her.

[tyke1962]

So how does this work then ?

Truss and the incoming  new leader didn't need a mandate from the people because apparently we vote for a party not a PM .

Johnson pops his head back up and now according to some Tories he's the only one with the mandate .

I'll open up on the current situation , it's making me angry , proper angry and it isn't good for my mental health .

I keep saying to myself don't let it get to you but it's hard .

I said to our lass last night if we weren't the ages we are and didn't  have so much invested in our grandkids and daughter I'd be out of here and I'm someone whose always loved this country and never wanted to leave it .

[drfchound]

So how does this work then ?

Truss and the incoming  new leader didn't need a mandate from the people because apparently we vote for a party not a PM .

Johnson pops his head back up and now according to some Tories he's the only one with the mandate .

I'll open up on the current situation , it's making me angry , proper angry and it isn't good for my mental health .

I keep saying to myself don't let it get to you but it's hard .

I said to our lass last night if we weren't the ages we are and didn't  have so much invested in our grandkids and daughter I'd be out of here and I'm someone whose always loved this country and never wanted to leave it .

Tyke, people have been told numerous times on this forum that people vote for the Party and not the leader of the Party.

[River Don]

I don't think we vote for a PM. I don't think we vote for a party. I think we vote for a manifesto. They make promises to us, we vote on the basis of what they promise to deliver.