truss

[IDM]

I don’t think it matters who replaces Truss.  Are voters going to forget the shenanigans of the last weeks and the crashing of the economy?

Are they going to forget the “guarantee” for energy prices for two years subsequently being cut to 6 months?

Are they going to forget the initial plan to drop the tax bracket for the richest?

Are they going to forget the confusion of our government over pension rises etc.?

One could make an argument that markets had difficulties and interest rates were rising anyway, but all of the above were issues directly affected by the PM and government.  “I’m a fighter not a quitter” resigns the following day.

That’s not forgetting Johnson’s lies, partygate etc.

Now before anyone jumps on my post, nowhere here have I suggested that Labour would have done better. 

However this government has been a rolling goatf**k since 2019.  It’s time for an election.

[mugnapper]

ITV news website quoting a source close to the Privileges Committee, ‘the evidence against Johnson is so damning, he could be gone by Xmas, if he becomes PM’.
That’ll make for good entertainment as we sit huddled round a candle in the dark.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Right. So that stuff I wrote a couple of days ago about Wallace being dependable and sensible.

Looks like it was a right load of ba-baa.

Wallace says he's probably supporting Johnson. Which automatically makes him as much of a nutjob as any of them..

[BillyStubbsTears]

ITV news website quoting a source close to the Privileges Committee, ‘the evidence against Johnson is so damning, he could be gone by Xmas, if he becomes PM’.
That’ll make for good entertainment as we sit huddled round a candle in the dark.

They couldn't could they?

The Tories. Choose a leader who got booted out of Parliament straight after?

[i_ateallthepies]

If Johnson gets the 100 I can't see him being beaten.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I don’t think it matters who replaces Truss.  Are voters going to forget the shenanigans of the last weeks and the crashing of the economy?

Are they going to forget the “guarantee” for energy prices for two years subsequently being cut to 6 months?

Are they going to forget the initial plan to drop the tax bracket for the richest?

Are they going to forget the confusion of our government over pension rises etc.?

One could make an argument that markets had difficulties and interest rates were rising anyway, but all of the above were issues directly affected by the PM and government.  “I’m a fighter not a quitter” resigns the following day.

That’s not forgetting Johnson’s lies, partygate etc.

Now before anyone jumps on my post, nowhere here have I suggested that Labour would have done better. 

However this government has been a rolling goatf**k since 2019.  It’s time for an election.

One thing's for sure, they ain't going to forget how much they have to pay on their mortgage every month to the election.

[Glyn_Wigley]

ITV news website quoting a source close to the Privileges Committee, ‘the evidence against Johnson is so damning, he could be gone by Xmas, if he becomes PM’.
That’ll make for good entertainment as we sit huddled round a candle in the dark.

They couldn't could they?

The Tories. Choose a leader who got booted out of Parliament straight after?

Forget being booted out of Parliament, he'll struggle to fill all the Government jobs without resorting to more Nadine Dorries types.

[tommy toes]

ITV news website quoting a source close to the Privileges Committee, ‘the evidence against Johnson is so damning, he could be gone by Xmas, if he becomes PM’.
That’ll make for good entertainment as we sit huddled round a candle in the dark.

Candle, candle!? I should coco.
You bourgeois person.
We'll be setting fire to copies of the local free paper for light AND warmth.

[mugnapper]

I live in Derby and we don't have a free paper, so I'm f#cked lol.

[Bentley Bullet]

Not another winter of discontent. Bloody Tories!

[BobG]

Following Mugnapper's post above this might be of interest:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/damning-partygate-evidence-could-mean-boris-is-gone-by-xmas-if-he-returns-as-pm-337335/?fbclid=IwAR3_rUpp-02i7XB7r3LKQzFSEW2hHViuJtcgRdSeLIG-nyI8C9W4r_KY_BQ#l9joqu7u9gq4zf6qz4b

BobG

[belton rover]

This country is broken. I totally agree.
But. We are broken because of ALL of those people who reckon they represent ‘us’.
Our parliament us a total f**k up, from PM to Shadow PM, from left backbencher to right.
Starmer will win the next election, and for what?

As a nation, and a generation, we are just f**ked.
I am truly sorry for what I will leave my children to deal with.

Belton don't take it to heart too much.its not our fault. We could not know really.

Energy is running out. We are screwed.

I couldn't disagree more RD.

The key decision was in 2010 when we took the Austerity path. We chose a poorer future because of a story spun by a couple of upper class spivs.

The expert economists told us what would happen. A decade of lost growth.

We ignored them.

We could have invested massively in renewables over the past decade. We chose not to. The booming Labour investment in renewables was the first thing cut by Osborne.

Belton will, as ever, do his Bothsides thing, but only one side is to blame for this.

Billy Blinkers.

And how can you possibly comment on me saying things ‘as ever’ if you only read what I post if some one else quotes it?
Idiot.

[SydneyRover]

johnson has 126 to his name already ............... 126 fixed penalty notices for events he said never happened.

[i_ateallthepies]

A bit after the Lord Mayor's show this one but they were discussing the Truss premiership on R5 yesterday and Adrian Chiles quoted an unknown commentator who said that Truss sacking Quarteng was like Rod Hull sacking Emu.  I was parked up at the time fortunately because it totally cracked me up.

[BobG]

It's spreading. Radio4 rhis morning had a bunch of well informed commentators chatting. The consensus was that if Boris wins:

i) he would do very well to not be suspended from Parliament  when the Partygate report arrives and that suspension would kill both him and this government.

Or

ii) if he did survive the Party will split, practically even if not formally. That 80 seat majority would disappear as the One Nation types refuse to support him.  That, of course, would force a General Election.

So, the idea of the Conservative Party splitting asunder is now well and truly under discussion. I would still be amazed though if the Tory grandees don't find a way to prevent him winning.

For those with a historical bent 2022 is increasingly starting to resemble 69AD. The year of the four emperors: Galba, Otto, Vitellius and, eventually, Vespasian. That caused a bit of trouble too...

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tory (or ex-Tory before Johnson purged him) David Gaulke has had the sort of far-thinkinh idea that we need in this situation.

If Johnson gets elected, Starmer and the LD leader whose name I can never remember should reach out to right-minded Tory MPs.

Say to them, we know that you know that this idiot is going to be a disaster. We know you're hanging on for the sake of your party. But that doesn't help the country.

Join us in a VONC to bring Johnson down and force a GE. In recognition, we will not put up a candidate against any of you with 10k+ majorities.


That's the level of turmoil we are in.

If that doesn't happen, and Johnson does form a Govt, Starmer should call a VONC on Day One. Get the Tories who support the return of that disgrace of a man to formally record their support for the history books.

No hiding place. If you don't formally oppose Johnson, you own his disaster.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tories gonna Tory.

Although in fairness, they've rarely ever been as explicit as this in waging Class War on behalf of the rich.

Yesterday's announcement had the feel of a payback clause being actioned by all the wealthy folk who have bankrolled the Tories in general and Truss in particular. The breathtaking audacity of it is quite admirable in some sense.

One thing's sure. Any working class person now has zero excuse for telling themselves the Tories are on their side. Although in sure a few will try to find one.

You know when I say "Tories gonna Tory" and some people in here get upset about political bias.

This is what I mean.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1583739422247628801

It's been happening for years. Most of it quietly done. Most of it unnoticed.


All of it absolutely f**king sickening.

[BobG]

I've received a letter this morning from the DWP. It tells me I am going to receive 500 quid as my 'Winter Fuel Payment'  My affluent Tory friend John will get the same. So will all pensioners. Now, remind me, which section of the population is it that preponderantly votes for right wing parties and right wing nutjobs? I think I recall our esteemed Chancellor telling us all, very recently, that he has to make huge savings. Can you think of a reason why people like John and I should be gifted £500...?

There IS a reason of course...

BobG

[BobG]

This is quite something too. From ConservativeHome.com.  Somebody with his eyes open.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1583534342793760769?s=20&t=nCVq-Tl4AIK1WAzuNRa_vA

BobG

[i_ateallthepies]

Was there meant to be a link in your last post, Bob?

[Donnywolf]

Truss gets £115000 pa for life as an ex PM

Presumably Johnson already bagged his but if he gets to be PM again will he get a further £115000

Asking for a "fiend"

[BobG]

Sorry Pies. Yes! Now included....

Thanks

BobG

[scawsby steve]

Truss gets £115000 pa for life as an ex PM

Presumably Johnson already bagged his but if he gets to be PM again will he get a further £115000

Asking for a "fiend"

Come on, Wolfie, there's no need to describe BB as a "fiend".

[BobG]

Robert Hare. Genuine well known and reputable Canadian psychologist. He has a list of symptoms of psychopathy. You can look it up here:

https://exploringyourmind.com/the-psychopathy-checklist-by-robert-hare/

But to save you the trouble I've copied it here:


 1)   Loquacity / Superficial charm.
 2)   Egocentrism / Great feeling of self-worth.
 3)   Need for stimulation / Tendency to boredom.
 4)   Pathological lying.
 5)   Cunning / Manipulative.
 6)   Lack of remorse and guilt.
 7)   Emotionally shallow.
 8)   Callous / Lack of empathy.
 9)   Parasitic lifestyle.
10)   Lack of behavioral control.
11)   Promiscuous sexual behavior.
12)  Early behavioral problems.
13)  Lack of realistic long-term goals.
14)  Impulsiveness.
15)  Irresponsibility.
16)  Inability to accept responsibility for own actions.
17)   Several brief marital relations.
18)  Juvenile delinquency.
19)  Revocation of conditional release.
20) Criminal versatility.

I'm sure I know of some bloke who ticks every single one of those boxes.... Can anyone remind me?

BobG

[belton rover]

Robert Hare. Genuine well known and reputable Canadian psychologist. He has a list of symptoms of psychopathy. You can look it up here:

https://exploringyourmind.com/the-psychopathy-checklist-by-robert-hare/

But to save you the trouble I've copied it here:


 1)   Loquacity / Superficial charm.
 2)   Egocentrism / Great feeling of self-worth.
 3)   Need for stimulation / Tendency to boredom.
 4)   Pathological lying.
 5)   Cunning / Manipulative.
 6)   Lack of remorse and guilt.
 7)   Emotionally shallow.
 8)   Callous / Lack of empathy.
 9)   Parasitic lifestyle.
10)   Lack of behavioral control.
11)   Promiscuous sexual behavior.
12)  Early behavioral problems.
13)  Lack of realistic long-term goals.
14)  Impulsiveness.
15)  Irresponsibility.
16)  Inability to accept responsibility for own actions.
17)   Several brief marital relations.
18)  Juvenile delinquency.
19)  Revocation of conditional release.
20) Criminal versatility.

I'm sure I know of some bloke who ticks every single one of those boxes.... Can anyone remind me?

BobG

BST?

[BobG]

Wrong mate. Try again. You'll get it in the end. If you can persuade your eyes to open and your remaining grey cells to stir themselves.

BobG

[Colemans Left Hook]

Robert Hare. Genuine well known and reputable Canadian psychologist. He has a list of symptoms of psychopathy. You can look it up here:

https://exploringyourmind.com/the-psychopathy-checklist-by-robert-hare/

But to save you the trouble I've copied it here:


 1)   Loquacity / Superficial charm.
 2)   Egocentrism / Great feeling of self-worth.
 3)   Need for stimulation / Tendency to boredom.
 4)   Pathological lying.
 5)   Cunning / Manipulative.
 6)   Lack of remorse and guilt.
 7)   Emotionally shallow.
 8)   Callous / Lack of empathy.
 9)   Parasitic lifestyle.
10)   Lack of behavioral control.
11)   Promiscuous sexual behavior.
12)  Early behavioral problems.
13)  Lack of realistic long-term goals.
14)  Impulsiveness.
15)  Irresponsibility.
16)  Inability to accept responsibility for own actions.
17)   Several brief marital relations.
18)  Juvenile delinquency.
19)  Revocation of conditional release.
20) Criminal versatility.

I'm sure I know of some bloke who ticks every single one of those boxes.... Can anyone remind me?

BobG

Corbyn  ?  my old tv aerial was parasitic,  it's checklist consisted of 405 or was it 625 lines not a lowly 20 lines

[Bentley Bullet]

Robert Hare. Genuine well known and reputable Canadian psychologist. He has a list of symptoms of psychopathy. You can look it up here:

https://exploringyourmind.com/the-psychopathy-checklist-by-robert-hare/

But to save you the trouble I've copied it here:


 1)   Loquacity / Superficial charm.
 2)   Egocentrism / Great feeling of self-worth.
 3)   Need for stimulation / Tendency to boredom.
 4)   Pathological lying.
 5)   Cunning / Manipulative.
 6)   Lack of remorse and guilt.
 7)   Emotionally shallow.
 8)   Callous / Lack of empathy.
 9)   Parasitic lifestyle.
10)   Lack of behavioral control.
11)   Promiscuous sexual behavior.
12)  Early behavioral problems.
13)  Lack of realistic long-term goals.
14)  Impulsiveness.
15)  Irresponsibility.
16)  Inability to accept responsibility for own actions.
17)   Several brief marital relations.
18)  Juvenile delinquency.
19)  Revocation of conditional release.
20) Criminal versatility.

I'm sure I know of some bloke who ticks every single one of those boxes.... Can anyone remind me?

BobG

Nowt worse than a good quiz question ruined by leaving the answer underneath.

[belton rover]

Robert Hare. Genuine well known and reputable Canadian psychologist. He has a list of symptoms of psychopathy. You can look it up here:

https://exploringyourmind.com/the-psychopathy-checklist-by-robert-hare/

But to save you the trouble I've copied it here:


 1)   Loquacity / Superficial charm.
 2)   Egocentrism / Great feeling of self-worth.
 3)   Need for stimulation / Tendency to boredom.
 4)   Pathological lying.
 5)   Cunning / Manipulative.
 6)   Lack of remorse and guilt.
 7)   Emotionally shallow.
 8)   Callous / Lack of empathy.
 9)   Parasitic lifestyle.
10)   Lack of behavioral control.
11)   Promiscuous sexual behavior.
12)  Early behavioral problems.
13)  Lack of realistic long-term goals.
14)  Impulsiveness.
15)  Irresponsibility.
16)  Inability to accept responsibility for own actions.
17)   Several brief marital relations.
18)  Juvenile delinquency.
19)  Revocation of conditional release.
20) Criminal versatility.

I'm sure I know of some bloke who ticks every single one of those boxes.... Can anyone remind me?

BobG

Nowt worse than a good quiz question ruined by leaving the answer underneath.

Post of the week.

[drfchound]

Robert Hare. Genuine well known and reputable Canadian psychologist. He has a list of symptoms of psychopathy. You can look it up here:

https://exploringyourmind.com/the-psychopathy-checklist-by-robert-hare/

But to save you the trouble I've copied it here:


 1)   Loquacity / Superficial charm.
 2)   Egocentrism / Great feeling of self-worth.
 3)   Need for stimulation / Tendency to boredom.
 4)   Pathological lying.
 5)   Cunning / Manipulative.
 6)   Lack of remorse and guilt.
 7)   Emotionally shallow.
 8)   Callous / Lack of empathy.
 9)   Parasitic lifestyle.
10)   Lack of behavioral control.
11)   Promiscuous sexual behavior.
12)  Early behavioral problems.
13)  Lack of realistic long-term goals.
14)  Impulsiveness.
15)  Irresponsibility.
16)  Inability to accept responsibility for own actions.
17)   Several brief marital relations.
18)  Juvenile delinquency.
19)  Revocation of conditional release.
20) Criminal versatility.

I'm sure I know of some bloke who ticks every single one of those boxes.... Can anyone remind me?

BobG

Nowt worse than a good quiz question ruined by leaving the answer underneath.

  Class.