Miller

[DearneValleyRover]

My only problem with Miller is, he seems to want an extra touch before shooting and has missed possible goal opportunities more than once this season. Might be a confidence thing though

Rather him be in the position to actually have an opportunity in the first place than not. Which is what we got with our strikers (i use that term very loosely indeed) last season. Be grateful he's getting in positions to get opportunities.

It’s an observation and has I said it might have been a confidence thing, I didn’t say he was rubbish

[Panda]

My only problem with Miller is, he seems to want an extra touch before shooting and has missed possible goal opportunities more than once this season. Might be a confidence thing though

Rather him be in the position to actually have an opportunity in the first place than not. Which is what we got with our strikers (i use that term very loosely indeed) last season. Be grateful he's getting in positions to get opportunities.

It’s an observation and has I said it might have been a confidence thing, I didn’t say he was rubbish

Fair point.

[DearneValleyRover]

My only problem with Miller is, he seems to want an extra touch before shooting and has missed possible goal opportunities more than once this season. Might be a confidence thing though

We are in L2.
If Miller was as good as we want him to be he wouldn’t be L2 with us.

Talk about stating the obvious, it’s an observation which you have plenty of

[drfchound]

My only problem with Miller is, he seems to want an extra touch before shooting and has missed possible goal opportunities more than once this season. Might be a confidence thing though

We are in L2.
If Miller was as good as we want him to be he wouldn’t be L2 with us.

Talk about stating the obvious, it’s an observation which you have plenty of

Why the aggressive tone DVR.  Yes I was stating the obvious but surely it it is a valid point.  Don’t you ever talk about stuff that most of us already know about?

[DearneValleyRover]

My only problem with Miller is, he seems to want an extra touch before shooting and has missed possible goal opportunities more than once this season. Might be a confidence thing though

We are in L2.
If Miller was as good as we want him to be he wouldn’t be L2 with us.

Talk about stating the obvious, it’s an observation which you have plenty of

Why the aggressive tone DVR.  Yes I was stating the obvious but surely it it is a valid point.  Don’t you ever talk about stuff that most of us already know about?

Aggressive? Not really, I made an observation, not a criticism. As to a valid point, not really. There are strikers in this league that are instinctive and don’t need that extra touch.

[drfchound]

My only problem with Miller is, he seems to want an extra touch before shooting and has missed possible goal opportunities more than once this season. Might be a confidence thing though

We are in L2.
If Miller was as good as we want him to be he wouldn’t be L2 with us.

Talk about stating the obvious, it’s an observation which you have plenty of

Why the aggressive tone DVR.  Yes I was stating the obvious but surely it it is a valid point.  Don’t you ever talk about stuff that most of us already know about?

Aggressive? Not really, I made an observation, not a criticism. As to a valid point, not really. There are strikers in this league that are instinctive and don’t need that extra touch.

Whatever.

[DearneValleyRover]

My only problem with Miller is, he seems to want an extra touch before shooting and has missed possible goal opportunities more than once this season. Might be a confidence thing though

We are in L2.
If Miller was as good as we want him to be he wouldn’t be L2 with us.

Talk about stating the obvious, it’s an observation which you have plenty of

Why the aggressive tone DVR.  Yes I was stating the obvious but surely it it is a valid point.  Don’t you ever talk about stuff that most of us already know about?

Aggressive? Not really, I made an observation, not a criticism. As to a valid point, not really. There are strikers in this league that are instinctive and don’t need that extra touch.

Whatever.

 

[Jonathan]

It’s 3 non penalty goals in 10 games. That’s the rate you would expect him to score at based on his previous numbers. 0.3 goals per game. It’s not really good enough considering he offers pretty much zero in general play.

That’s just my opinion though.

Just to be clear, when you dismissed any prospect of him scoring 20 goals after we signed him in the summer, were you including or excluding penalties? 5 before September is out is not a bad start, but if you’re striking off penalties from his total then it becomes harder for most strikers to hit 20.

[Campsall rover]

If penalties don’t count then Kane, Rooney, Linaker, Charlton etc,etc,etc,etc, total career goals would be substantially reduced.
Of course penalties count GazLaz. A goal is a goal is it not?
You will not be counting goals that came off the shin or thigh next.!!!

[GazLaz]

It’s 3 non penalty goals in 10 games. That’s the rate you would expect him to score at based on his previous numbers. 0.3 goals per game. It’s not really good enough considering he offers pretty much zero in general play.

That’s just my opinion though.

Just to be clear, when you dismissed any prospect of him scoring 20 goals after we signed him in the summer, were you including or excluding penalties? 5 before September is out is not a bad start, but if you’re striking off penalties from his total then it becomes harder for most strikers to hit 20.

He won’t score 20 with penalties. He will average about 0.3 non penalty goals per 90mins. Not horrific by any means but not as many as we need from a front man who offers nothing else if we are to get promoted.

That’s my issue with him, if he brought others into play, his assists were quite high over a sustained period etc etc I’d say 14 goals + that input was a decent contribution. The all round game isn’t good enough to only have a goal output in that region though.

[drfchound]

Gaz, isn’t a goal ratio of one in every three games quite good anyway.

[GazLaz]

Gaz, isn’t a goal ratio of one in every three games quite good anyway.

It’s ok. He’s Ok. I just think his ceiling is pretty low and he offers pretty much nothing else.

[Alan Southstand]

On the budget we’re on, who do you think we could have got to improve on him?

[Campsall rover]

Crikey GazLaz you have made a very quick judgment on a player who has only played 10 league games for us and not a lot before he came to us.

He is a player who will only improve as he gains more experience. Needs the right kind of service if he is going to score 20 goals this season.
I think with a fit Ben Close and Hurst and Molyneux playing at their maximum he will score 15/20 league goals this season. We also have the creativity of Rowe and Tomlin so there is potentially no shortage of quality service for Miller.

He has 5 goals in 10 games and that is with the team having not yet started functioning past 60% of it capability this season. Once we get up to a consistent 85/90% then we will see Miller start become a prolific goalscorer in League 2 and then hopefully if we get promoted in League 1 next season.

[Chris Black come back]

He puts a shift in and when through on goal you feel pretty confident he will at least hit the target. Given what we’ve had last few years up front post-JM he’s about as good as we’ve had.

[GazLaz]

Crikey GazLaz you have made a very quick judgment on a player who has only played 10 league games for us and not a lot before he came to us.

He is a player who will only improve as he gains more experience. Needs the right kind of service if he is going to score 20 goals this season.
I think with a fit Ben Close and Hurst and Molyneux playing at their maximum he will score 15/20 league goals this season. We also have the creativity of Rowe and Tomlin so there is potentially no shortage of quality service for Miller.

He has 5 goals in 10 games and that is with the team having not yet started functioning past 60% of it capability this season. Once we get up to a consistent 85/90% then we will see Miller start become a prolific goalscorer in League 2 and then hopefully if we get promoted in League 1 next season.

He’s 24 years old and he’s played 150 times. Plenty of information to go on.

[ncRover]

I like him and I think we can improve him further.

Even a good standard league two striker isn’t going to be the type that fashions chances out of nothing for themselves. If we can get everything working around him, he can get his numbers up.

He has terrific work ethic and attitude and they are the key ingredients in life to better yourself.

[drfchound]

Marquis had 138 appearances and scored 28 goals before he came to us.

[GazLaz]

Marquis had 138 appearances and scored 28 goals before he came to us.

We are not on about JM though are we?

[Shawn_drfc]

They are using the comparison of not judging a player based on previous stats.

Miller has bedded in well, does make some good runs but we don't play wide enough for some of those, still lacking a bit of confidence but next couple of games, couple more goals can help any striker get a hot streak going.

I loved how he chased Hurst vs Crawley shouting for him to square the ball for a hat trick, in Hurst defense I would of buried as well after that run.

He isn't going to be a world beater but could easily be in the top 3 in goals by end of the season because he puts the shift in and can put the ball in the back of the net.

[Padge_DRFC]

He won't take penalties when Tomlin is on the pitch.

Keeper should have saved it on Saturday once he went the right way it wasn't a great penalty.

[drfchound]

Marquis had 138 appearances and scored 28 goals before he came to us.

We are not on about JM though are we?

Yeah, I know Gaz.
I was just making the point that JM didn’t have a great scoring record in his early years then blossomed after he came to us.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It’s 3 non penalty goals in 10 games. That’s the rate you would expect him to score at based on his previous numbers. 0.3 goals per game. It’s not really good enough considering he offers pretty much zero in general play.

That’s just my opinion though.

How many lone front men score more than 14 non-penalty league goals and make 10 assists in a season at this level?

[Sammy Chung was King]

He seems to have the sort of attitude that if the right coach gets hold of him, he could be improved even more.
I think he is at his best with a partner up there, otherwise he is chasing lost causes and using his energy unwisely. The team looks much better with two up front also.

[Draytonian III]

I think we should get rid of Miller and buy that tall blonde Norwegian lad that Man City have bought, but there again some on here would not be satisfied with him

[GazLaz]

It’s 3 non penalty goals in 10 games. That’s the rate you would expect him to score at based on his previous numbers. 0.3 goals per game. It’s not really good enough considering he offers pretty much zero in general play.

That’s just my opinion though.

How many lone front men score more than 14 non-penalty league goals and make 10 assists in a season at this level?

9 players average both over 0.3xG per game and over 0.15xA per game. 7 of which (from a quick scan) are “strikers”.

Miller is operating at 0.3xg/90 and 0.1xA/90.

That’s not bad at all through his first 1000 minutes on the pitch for us. We can monitor this over the season as a 10 game sample isn’t greatly accurate.

[Chris Black come back]

What’s more concerning is that if he gets injured we don’t have a replacement for the system we play. Clearly Agard could not be the one up alone, playing 90 minutes week in, week out. Not his game, not happening.

[Bessie Red]

He won't take penalties when Tomlin is on the pitch.

Keeper should have saved it on Saturday once he went the right way it wasn't a great penalty.

Any penalty that hits the back of the net is a great penalty!

[Panda]

It’s 3 non penalty goals in 10 games. That’s the rate you would expect him to score at based on his previous numbers. 0.3 goals per game. It’s not really good enough considering he offers pretty much zero in general play.

That’s just my opinion though.

How many lone front men score more than 14 non-penalty league goals and make 10 assists in a season at this level?

9 players average both over 0.3xG per game and over 0.15xA per game. 7 of which (from a quick scan) are “strikers”.

Miller is operating at 0.3xg/90 and 0.1xA/90.

That’s not bad at all through his first 1000 minutes on the pitch for us. We can monitor this over the season as a 10 game sample isn’t greatly accurate.

I think all that means he's doing alright. 

[scawsby steve]

It’s 3 non penalty goals in 10 games. That’s the rate you would expect him to score at based on his previous numbers. 0.3 goals per game. It’s not really good enough considering he offers pretty much zero in general play.

That’s just my opinion though.

How many lone front men score more than 14 non-penalty league goals and make 10 assists in a season at this level?

9 players average both over 0.3xG per game and over 0.15xA per game. 7 of which (from a quick scan) are “strikers”.

Miller is operating at 0.3xg/90 and 0.1xA/90.

That’s not bad at all through his first 1000 minutes on the pitch for us. We can monitor this over the season as a 10 game sample isn’t greatly accurate.

No, WE can't monitor it, YOU can monitor it.

The rest of us can just watch a game of football, where the team that scores the most goals wins.