Williams

[Thorney]

Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him

I do everytime it goes near him aswell. And if it's in the air and he is unchallenged I know he still will head it 10 yards out to the centre of the edge of the area straight to an opposing player instead of safe

[Goole Rover]

Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him

I do everytime it goes near him aswell. And if it's in the air and he is unchallenged I know he still will head it 10 yards out to the centre of the edge of the area straight to an opposing player instead of safe

You have it in one Thorney. It’s so basic to get it right, if in doubt put it out. I couldn’t count the number of times Les Wilmot shouted that he was also a Thorney. Was it the Mansfield game when Williams had the opportunity to put it behind but instead headed it to the waiting striker mind you it was a great goal.

[Thorney]

Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him

I do everytime it goes near him aswell. And if it's in the air and he is unchallenged I know he still will head it 10 yards out to the centre of the edge of the area straight to an opposing player instead of safe

You have it in one Thorney. It’s so basic to get it right, if in doubt put it out. I couldn’t count the number of times Les Wilmot shouted that he was also a Thorney. Was it the Mansfield game when Williams had the opportunity to put it behind but instead headed it to the waiting striker mind you it was a great goal.

Yes it was for their first goal, cracking finish but it was more difficult for Williams to head the ball back I to thar area than out for a corner,
Basics is to get it safe. Not put it across you own goal.
And that isn't the only time, he has done it in numerous occasions and got away with it.
But that makes me question why the hell are they not addressing this issue in training.

[Campsall rover]

He is the worst header of a ball I have ever seen from a football league Centre back.
He heads it sideways or straight up in the air most of the time. He seems to have no awareness of where his opponent is most of the time.

I genuinely thought he was much improved in pre season and in the first 6 games this season but he has gone backwards very fast to being a very poor defender as he was for most of last season.

[roversdude]

Bit harsh CR, appreciate it’s your opinion. That coincides with our midfield malfunctioning. Agree that there are better headers of the ball

[sedwardsdrfc]

It's probably a confidence thing at the moment. But i've always said about Williams that it doesn't seem right a professional player who trains all week lacks so much technical ability. No one is expecting L2 centre halves to become Pirlo but if your getting paid to play you shouldn't shit the bed when you have the ball.

If he were dominating like a Rob Jones you'd forgive the lack of basic ability.

[Filo]

Williams shits his pants everytime the ball comes to him

I do everytime it goes near him aswell. And if it's in the air and he is unchallenged I know he still will head it 10 yards out to the centre of the edge of the area straight to an opposing player instead of safe

You have it in one Thorney. It’s so basic to get it right, if in doubt put it out. I couldn’t count the number of times Les Wilmot shouted that he was also a Thorney. Was it the Mansfield game when Williams had the opportunity to put it behind but instead headed it to the waiting striker mind you it was a great goal.

Les Wilmot, a name from the past, I worked with him at Dunstons

[GazLaz]

Williams plays worse with Anderson because he ends up being the 2nd centre half (like Joe Wright). More involved in covering and mopping up. That’s not his game at all. He needs to be on the front foot as the ball winner. He’s been ok this season generally but I kind of think it’s Anderson or him.

[Chris Black come back]

There is obviously something there with Williams that Man Utd and later Wellens saw in him. Just not sure what it is though or how we bring this out. We have again an exceptionally weak defensive unit, for the third season now.

[Alan Southstand]

Draytonian:

or send out on loan Seaman, Taylor, Griffiths  and Anderson at the first chance available, it would free up some wages for some fitter/better players.

If you’d said Seaman, Griffiths and Barlow I would agree. Taylor and Anderson need time to get up to speed before we judge them, imho.

In their place I would sign a decent central defensive midfielder on a 3 year contract and get in another striker on loan.

[Colin C No.3]

Is he really a better prospect than Cameron John?

[Plumbster]

My reading was that RSW was under contract but Cam wasn’t so it was a case of best use of budget rather than RSW being considered the better prospect. I thought Cam was clearly the better player but he had also been more injury prone so overall I thought the decision was understandable.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Johns been awful for Rochdale this season by all accounts

[EasyforDennis]

Is he really a better prospect than Cameron John?

NO

[Colin C No.3]

Johns been awful for Rochdale this season by all accounts

I thought he’d been out injured?

[sedwardsdrfc]

Johns been awful for Rochdale this season by all accounts

I thought he’d been out injured?

I heard that earlier on in the season when he was starting. Know he wasn't in the team when we played them so maybe injured now

[roversdude]

Johns been awful for Rochdale this season by all accounts

I thought he’d been out injured?

I heard that earlier on in the season when he was starting. Know he wasn't in the team when we played them so maybe injured now

More or less justifies the decision

[DonnyOsmond]

Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.

Yep....... there are loads out there just waiting for us to call....

I don't understand the sarcasm, Gaz recommended we signed Piergianni in the summer and he's probably been the best center back in League Two this season.

[GazLaz]

Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.

Yep....... there are loads out there just waiting for us to call....

I don't understand the sarcasm, Gaz recommended we signed Piergianni in the summer and he's probably been the best center back in League Two this season.

Yep, he was cheap, fit the profile and would have walked over hot coals to sign for us. Just a complete myth that there aren’t good, under the radar, CHEAP, low risk, players that become available on frees every summer. We just don't have a good enough process which enables us to consistently find them.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Yeah hate it when the throw away question is "well who would you get?" this goes for managers players everything.

Point is most people have their own lifes/jobs and only really have time to follow their team. So just because you can't think of anyone doesn't mean they don't exist. Just means we aren't employed as scouts or analysts or whatever you want to call it.

[DearneValleyRover]

Totally agree with Gaz, we should have dispatched with sentiment and not given Anderson another year, might have got 3 players for the wages he is on

[Chris Black come back]

Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.

[pigeonhole]

There is obviously something there with Williams that Man Utd and later Wellens saw in him. Just not sure what it is though or how we bring this out. We have again an exceptionally weak defensive unit, for the third season now.

He has all the attributes you can't coach.  He's tall, strong and fast.  He ran the 100m in 10.9 seconds when he was 15, breaking the British record for his age range.  If you were to do Weird Science but for centre backs instead of sexy ladies (stick with me), in Kelly LeBrock's place you'd probably get Ro-Shaun.

So I understand why coaches think he'll eventually come good.  After nearly 200 professional games, though, he's still raw, naive, a liability, which makes you wonder if he's ever going to fulfil his potential and become the centre half he should be.

And he is thoroughly dreadful in the air.  Not what you want from a 4th division defender.  I wish we'd stuck with Kelly LeBrock.

[Filo]

There is obviously something there with Williams that Man Utd and later Wellens saw in him. Just not sure what it is though or how we bring this out. We have again an exceptionally weak defensive unit, for the third season now.

He has all the attributes you can't coach.  He's tall, strong and fast.  He ran the 100m in 10.9 seconds when he was 15, breaking the British record for his age range.  If you were to do Weird Science but for centre backs instead of sexy ladies (stick with me), in Kelly LeBrock's place you'd probably get Ro-Shaun.

So I understand why coaches think he'll eventually come good.  After nearly 200 professional games, though, he's still raw, naive, a liability, which makes you wonder if he's ever going to fulfil his potential and become the centre half he should be.

And he is thoroughly dreadful in the air.  Not what you want from a 4th division defender.  I wish we'd stuck with Kelly LeBrock.

Has anyone  actually seen that pace he is supposed to have, because I haven’t

[silent majority]

Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.

But that’s why we now have an HoF to drive the recruitment and long term planning.

The one area we needed to improve has been given a shot in the arm, let’s see how that pans out.

[NickDRFC]

Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.

But that’s why we now have an HoF to drive the recruitment and long term planning.

The one area we needed to improve has been given a shot in the arm, let’s see how that pans out.

Recruitment and long term planning isn’t the one area we need to improve, let’s not forget about performances and results on the pitch.

[mugnapper]

There is obviously something there with Williams that Man Utd and later Wellens saw in him. Just not sure what it is though or how we bring this out. We have again an exceptionally weak defensive unit, for the third season now.

He has all the attributes you can't coach.  He's tall, strong and fast.  He ran the 100m in 10.9 seconds when he was 15, breaking the British record for his age range.  If you were to do Weird Science but for centre backs instead of sexy ladies (stick with me), in Kelly LeBrock's place you'd probably get Ro-Shaun.

So I understand why coaches think he'll eventually come good.  After nearly 200 professional games, though, he's still raw, naive, a liability, which makes you wonder if he's ever going to fulfil his potential and become the centre half he should be.

And he is thoroughly dreadful in the air.  Not what you want from a 4th division defender.  I wish we'd stuck with Kelly LeBrock.

I wonder how long it’d take him to run 100m with the ball at his feet??
In the 70’s I used to love in Away Programmes, in the ‘Pen Pictures of our players, they always managed to get in that Brendan O’Callaghan was a former Yorkshire Schools 400m hurdles Champion!

[silent majority]

Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.

But that’s why we now have an HoF to drive the recruitment and long term planning.

The one area we needed to improve has been given a shot in the arm, let’s see how that pans out.

Recruitment and long term planning isn’t the one area we need to improve, let’s not forget about performances and results on the pitch.

It’s part of the same operation, the HoF concentrates on the football part of the business, Gavin looks after the more commercial side.

That was my point.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Finances fine. Infrastructure fine. Recruitment and retention decisions on managers and players is sub-optimal. Hard to prove but conditioning and rehabilitation appear similarly sub-optimal. We have decent not amazing budget but this is used poorly. Hence our decline in recent years, modest attendances and general feeling of malaise, as we sit mid-table in the lowest professional tier of the game.

But that’s why we now have an HoF to drive the recruitment and long term planning.

The one area we needed to improve has been given a shot in the arm, let’s see how that pans out.

Recruitment and long term planning isn’t the one area we need to improve, let’s not forget about performances and results on the pitch.

It’s part of the same operation, the HoF concentrates on the football part of the business, Gavin looks after the more commercial side.

That was my point.

Does the HoF deal with manager firing and hiring? If so do we know if they have a shortlist to make a quick move when the inevitable happens?

[GazLaz]

Not releasing Anderson and using the money to sign a proven centre half in their prime was a big mistake.

Yep....... there are loads out there just waiting for us to call....

I don't understand the sarcasm, Gaz recommended we signed Piergianni in the summer and he's probably been the best center back in League Two this season.

Not only the best centre back, arguably in the to three players of any position.