Rishi Sunak

[les@donr]

Red Tories on. mass joining  the Labour party, I don't agree with,  if any want to join, they would have to publicly renounce their Tory beliefs and affirm Labour beliefs. There can't be any going back for them. You make your bed, you lie in it.

[SydneyRover]

So in essence you are similar and yet produce markedly different responses from many posters, would this because you have self awareness and hound doesn't? and yet in your list of faults you find with his posts suggest that either he is not aware of what he posts or as you say he does which would make him a troll of the highest order and a hypocrite?

life is strange aye

[wilts rover]

So in essence you are similar and yet produce markedly different responses from many posters, would this because you have self awareness and hound doesn't? and yet in your list of faults you find with his posts suggest that either he is not aware of what he posts or as you say he does which would make him a troll of the highest order and a hypocrite?

life is strange aye

Is that what I said, who knew!!

[SydneyRover]

So in essence you are similar and yet produce markedly different responses from many posters, would this because you have self awareness and hound doesn't? and yet in your list of faults you find with his posts suggest that either he is not aware of what he posts or as you say he does which would make him a troll of the highest order and a hypocrite?

life is strange aye

Is that what I said, who knew!!

reading back through your comments it's difficult to come to an alternative conclusion wilts

[i_ateallthepies]

Attack the poster, not the subject then?

Crikey, Hound.  Your Master won't like that one... hypocrisy of the highest order.

Of course you haven’t just done the same thing have you.

No, Hound.  I haven't attacked you.  Only pointed out your gross hypocrisy and will continue to do so whilst ever you persist in attacking the poster instead of debating the subject.
You continue to put on display to all on here your hypocrisy and bile.  You are kidding only yourself.

ALL on here? Hound is well liked and respected by many people in the South Stand, as a Rovers supporter and ex-player.

As regards this forum, I've never known him throw insults out at anyone, the way many on here did over the Brexit vote.

I didn't imply that 'all on here' see him in the same way, only that he puts his hypocrisy on view to all on here.  Contest my assertion of his hypocrisy by all means but his fixation with attacking individuals for who they are instead of debating their views is the reason for my calling him out.

[Filo]

Attack the poster, not the subject then?

Crikey, Hound.  Your Master won't like that one... hypocrisy of the highest order.

Of course you haven’t just done the same thing have you.

No, Hound.  I haven't attacked you.  Only pointed out your gross hypocrisy and will continue to do so whilst ever you persist in attacking the poster instead of debating the subject.
You continue to put on display to all on here your hypocrisy and bile.  You are kidding only yourself.

ALL on here? Hound is well liked and respected by many people in the South Stand, as a Rovers supporter and ex-player.

As regards this forum, I've never known him throw insults out at anyone, the way many on here did over the Brexit vote.

I didn't imply that 'all on here' see him in the same way, only that he puts his hypocrisy on view to all on here.  Contest my assertion of his hypocrisy by all means but his fixation with attacking individuals for who they are instead of debating their views is the reason for my calling him out.

Very true, throws a grenade, stands back watches the explosion and then says why aren’t you commenting on others throwing grenades, “prominent poster” is his buzz phrase

[drfchound]

Attack the poster, not the subject then?

Crikey, Hound.  Your Master won't like that one... hypocrisy of the highest order.

Of course you haven’t just done the same thing have you.

No, Hound.  I haven't attacked you.  Only pointed out your gross hypocrisy and will continue to do so whilst ever you persist in attacking the poster instead of debating the subject.
You continue to put on display to all on here your hypocrisy and bile.  You are kidding only yourself.

ALL on here? Hound is well liked and respected by many people in the South Stand, as a Rovers supporter and ex-player.

As regards this forum, I've never known him throw insults out at anyone, the way many on here did over the Brexit vote.

I didn't imply that 'all on here' see him in the same way, only that he puts his hypocrisy on view to all on here.  Contest my assertion of his hypocrisy by all means but his fixation with attacking individuals for who they are instead of debating their views is the reason for my calling him out.

Pies, you don’t like me, full stop.
I understand that and quite frankly, I don’t care what you think.
However, because you don’t like me you read stuff into my posts that isn’t there.
When I respond to someone like bst, it is always for a reason, not just because of who the poster is.
Invariably you or Filo jump in and tell me to stop trolling his posts.
That is not because I have asked a question of him but simply because it is me who has posted.
Filo mentions grenades, well you should look at some of the posts by bst as well because he often chucks my name into a post.
Click bait by him looking for a response.
What is this hypocrisy that you speak of anyway?
Can you explain in more detail what you are getting at and maybe quote an example.
I think your views all boil down to the fact that I’m not in the Labour vsc posters club.
Plenty of other Labour posters debate stuff with me without an issue but you and two or three others always make an issue of things I write about in off topic.
I suppose I could just agree with everything that you write and you would be happy but that wouldn’t be a true reflection of how I feel would it.

[drfchound]

So in essence you are similar and yet produce markedly different responses from many posters, would this because you have self awareness and hound doesn't? and yet in your list of faults you find with his posts suggest that either he is not aware of what he posts or as you say he does which would make him a troll of the highest order and a hypocrite?

life is strange aye

Syd. I very rarely respond to your posts these days, often because I don’t have a clue what you are on about sometimes.
However, the above quote of yours does lead me to ask how you come to the conclusion that I have a lack of self awareness.
You don’t know me so it would be impossible for you to know one way or another on that score.
With regards to trolling people, I would suggest that you are far and away in front of me, and probably any other poster.
Finally, a hypocrite is someone who acts in contradiction to his stated beliefs and feelings.
How can you apply that to me.

[belton rover]

Attack the poster, not the subject then?

Crikey, Hound.  Your Master won't like that one... hypocrisy of the highest order.

Of course you haven’t just done the same thing have you.

No, Hound.  I haven't attacked you.  Only pointed out your gross hypocrisy and will continue to do so whilst ever you persist in attacking the poster instead of debating the subject.
You continue to put on display to all on here your hypocrisy and bile.  You are kidding only yourself.

ALL on here? Hound is well liked and respected by many people in the South Stand, as a Rovers supporter and ex-player.

As regards this forum, I've never known him throw insults out at anyone, the way many on here did over the Brexit vote.

I didn't imply that 'all on here' see him in the same way, only that he puts his hypocrisy on view to all on here.  Contest my assertion of his hypocrisy by all means but his fixation with attacking individuals for who they are instead of debating their views is the reason for my calling him out.

Pies, you don’t like me, full stop.
I understand that and quite frankly, I don’t care what you think.
However, because you don’t like me you read stuff into my posts that isn’t there.
When I respond to someone like bst, it is always for a reason, not just because of who the poster is.
Invariably you or Filo jump in and tell me to stop trolling his posts.
That is not because I have asked a question of him but simply because it is me who has posted.
Filo mentions grenades, well you should look at some of the posts by bst as well because he often chucks my name into a post.
Click bait by him looking for a response.
What is this hypocrisy that you speak of anyway?
Can you explain in more detail what you are getting at and maybe quote an example.
I think your views all boil down to the fact that I’m not in the Labour vsc posters club.
Plenty of other Labour posters debate stuff with me without an issue but you and two or three others always make an issue of things I write about in off topic.
I suppose I could just agree with everything that you write and you would be happy but that wouldn’t be a true reflection of how I feel would it.

Very accurate and very well put.

[i_ateallthepies]

Attack the poster, not the subject then?

Crikey, Hound.  Your Master won't like that one... hypocrisy of the highest order.

Of course you haven’t just done the same thing have you.

No, Hound.  I haven't attacked you.  Only pointed out your gross hypocrisy and will continue to do so whilst ever you persist in attacking the poster instead of debating the subject.
You continue to put on display to all on here your hypocrisy and bile.  You are kidding only yourself.

ALL on here? Hound is well liked and respected by many people in the South Stand, as a Rovers supporter and ex-player.

As regards this forum, I've never known him throw insults out at anyone, the way many on here did over the Brexit vote.

I didn't imply that 'all on here' see him in the same way, only that he puts his hypocrisy on view to all on here.  Contest my assertion of his hypocrisy by all means but his fixation with attacking individuals for who they are instead of debating their views is the reason for my calling him out.

Pies, you don’t like me, full stop.
I understand that and quite frankly, I don’t care what you think.
However, because you don’t like me you read stuff into my posts that isn’t there.
When I respond to someone like bst, it is always for a reason, not just because of who the poster is.
Invariably you or Filo jump in and tell me to stop trolling his posts.
That is not because I have asked a question of him but simply because it is me who has posted.
Filo mentions grenades, well you should look at some of the posts by bst as well because he often chucks my name into a post.
Click bait by him looking for a response.
What is this hypocrisy that you speak of anyway?
Can you explain in more detail what you are getting at and maybe quote an example.
I think your views all boil down to the fact that I’m not in the Labour vsc posters club.
Plenty of other Labour posters debate stuff with me without an issue but you and two or three others always make an issue of things I write about in off topic.
I suppose I could just agree with everything that you write and you would be happy but that wouldn’t be a true reflection of how I feel would it.

Hound, I don't know you so it can't be right to say I dislike you.  I dislike the way you play the man and not the ball in respect of certain individuals on here, that is all.

I try to read most of the posts on Off Topic and when you post something that is just your opinion on the topic under discussion I often find myself agreeing with what you have said.
Unfortunately it is your seeming obsession with particular individuals and persistently making snide remarks that I find objectionable.  I'm sure you can't realise just how predictable and tiresome you have become in that regard.


We've taken this thread totally off topic with this exchange which is unfair to everyone else on the board.  For that I apologise.  If you are agreeable, Hound I suggest if we have any further remarks to make we take it to personal messaging.

[drfchound]

Attack the poster, not the subject then?

Crikey, Hound.  Your Master won't like that one... hypocrisy of the highest order.

Of course you haven’t just done the same thing have you.

No, Hound.  I haven't attacked you.  Only pointed out your gross hypocrisy and will continue to do so whilst ever you persist in attacking the poster instead of debating the subject.
You continue to put on display to all on here your hypocrisy and bile.  You are kidding only yourself.

ALL on here? Hound is well liked and respected by many people in the South Stand, as a Rovers supporter and ex-player.

As regards this forum, I've never known him throw insults out at anyone, the way many on here did over the Brexit vote.

I didn't imply that 'all on here' see him in the same way, only that he puts his hypocrisy on view to all on here.  Contest my assertion of his hypocrisy by all means but his fixation with attacking individuals for who they are instead of debating their views is the reason for my calling him out.

Pies, you don’t like me, full stop.
I understand that and quite frankly, I don’t care what you think.
However, because you don’t like me you read stuff into my posts that isn’t there.
When I respond to someone like bst, it is always for a reason, not just because of who the poster is.
Invariably you or Filo jump in and tell me to stop trolling his posts.
That is not because I have asked a question of him but simply because it is me who has posted.
Filo mentions grenades, well you should look at some of the posts by bst as well because he often chucks my name into a post.
Click bait by him looking for a response.
What is this hypocrisy that you speak of anyway?
Can you explain in more detail what you are getting at and maybe quote an example.
I think your views all boil down to the fact that I’m not in the Labour vsc posters club.
Plenty of other Labour posters debate stuff with me without an issue but you and two or three others always make an issue of things I write about in off topic.
I suppose I could just agree with everything that you write and you would be happy but that wouldn’t be a true reflection of how I feel would it.

Hound, I don't know you so it can't be right to say I dislike you.  I dislike the way you play the man and not the ball in respect of certain individuals on here, that is all.

I try to read most of the posts on Off Topic and when you post something that is just your opinion on the topic under discussion I often find myself agreeing with what you have said.
Unfortunately it is your seeming obsession with particular individuals and persistently making snide remarks that I find objectionable.  I'm sure you can't realise just how predictable and tiresome you have become in that regard.


We've taken this thread totally off topic with this exchange which is unfair to everyone else on the board.  For that I apologise.  If you are agreeable, Hound I suggest if we have any further remarks to make we take it to personal messaging.

Pies, as I have alluded to, yourself and two or three others have also had an obsession with my posts (I see that your above post has picked up a like from one of them, hi Filo) so I guess that will continue too.
You might find some of my posts objectionable but it is sad that you can’t accept that I find some posters writings objectionable too.
The playing of the man is a two way thing as well.
Anyway, we can call it a draw for the sake of the others on here.

[SydneyRover]

Excuse me a sec hound.

Sunak bragging about 15000 more police on the streets, but they still don't match the numbers that were there when labour were last in 2010.

righto carry on hound

[ncRover]

Excuse me a sec hound.

Sunak bragging about 15000 more police on the streets, but they still don't match the numbers that were there when labour were last in 2010.

righto carry on hound

This is true. I remember T May bragging about increasing the number of police not too long after Conservatives cut them also.

[mugnapper]

Matt Hancock has Tory whip withdrawn for signing up for ‘I’m a Celebrity’.
Didn’t the fragrant Nadine do the same a few years ago?

[pib]

Matt Hancock has Tory whip withdrawn for signing up for ‘I’m a Celebrity’.
Didn’t the fragrant Nadine do the same a few years ago?

Wonder why he's decided to do that?

On an unrelated note I'll just leave this symbol here: ££££££££££££

[BillyStubbsTears]

How devalued is the word "celebrity" if it now attaches to a politician who was shit at his job?

[mugnapper]

I guess he's not going to stand at the next election and is trying to establish himself as a 'personality' to increase his fees for after dinner speaking and panel games.

[Not Now Kato]

Matt Hancock has Tory whip withdrawn for signing up for ‘I’m a Celebrity’.
Didn’t the fragrant Nadine do the same a few years ago?

Yes, and lost the whip for 6 months.

[mugnapper]

He's planning to release a book on the Pandemic before Xmas . Nice, well paid, free publicity for that.
Anyone adding Matt's book to their Xmas list?

[ncRover]

I’ve got some bushtucker trial ideas if they need help

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I thought this was interesting;  No consequences for those who said something happened that didn't?  Seems odd.

'No bullying' took place during fracking vote incident - Speaker
Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle has completed his report into the disturbances during the vote on fracking which helped bring down Liz Truss's government.

Some MPs said there was "bullying" of other colleagues into voting certain ways, amid confusion in Tory ranks over whether it was a confidence vote in the government or not.

Speaking in the chamber, Sir Lindsay said his report found that the "atmosphere was tense", but there was "no evidence of any bullying or undue influence placed on other members".

He added that "crowding made it hard to see what was really taking place".

Sir Lindsay added: "While some members thought that physical contact was being used to force a member into the [voting] lobby, the member concerned has said very clearly that this did not happen.

"Those with the clearest views of the incident have confirmed this."

Sir Lindsay encouraged MPs to treat each other "with respect" - adding that taking pictures during proceedings was not allowed.

[ravenrover]

Matt Hancock has Tory whip withdrawn for signing up for ‘I’m a Celebrity’.
Didn’t the fragrant Nadine do the same a few years ago?

Wonder why he's decided to do that?

On an unrelated note I'll just leave this symbol here: ££££££££££££

And will he still be drawing his salary as an MP?

[wilts rover]

How devalued is the word "celebrity" if it now attaches to a politician who was shit at his job?

And is just about to bring a book out.

[wilts rover]

Matt Hancock has Tory whip withdrawn for signing up for ‘I’m a Celebrity’.
Didn’t the fragrant Nadine do the same a few years ago?

Wonder why he's decided to do that?

On an unrelated note I'll just leave this symbol here: ££££££££££££

And will he still be drawing his salary as an MP?

Yes. MP's dont actually work for anyone - other than their constituents - and there is no way of them throwing him out unless a by-election is called.

Johnson (MP for Uxbridge) is in the Caribbean - has been for a month. And remember the fuss last year, which began his downfall about MP's doing second jobs during Parliamentry time. They can be suspended/thrown out of their Party but there is no way of throwing them out of the HoC - beacuse they don't work for the HoC - it's just where they work.

[Glyn_Wigley]

His constituents could try a recall petition.

[Muttley]

His constituents could try a recall petition.

Limited circumstances in which that can be done:

- convicted of an offence and
received a custodial sentence
(including a suspended
sentence) or ordered to be
detained, other than solely under
mental health legislation

- barred from the House of
Commons for 10 sitting days or
14 calendar days, or

- convicted of providing false or
misleading information for
allowance claims under the
Parliamentary Standards Act
2009

[wilts rover]

Constituents cannot initiate starting the process for a recall petition. Only if an MP has been found guilty of a serious offence, and/or barred from the HoC for 10 sitting days, or found guilty of providing false information, can one be started.

He is certainly guilty of bad judgment and serious self-publicity - but hasn't committed any of those 3 criteria I'm afraid.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/Recall%20Act%20-%20initial%20factsheet%20-%20amended%20April%202021.pdf

[belton rover]

Pies, Hound - please continue your debate. Things have moved on to whether or not a politician should be allowed on I’m A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here!

[ravenrover]

I see he says he will be attending COPS27, no U turn there then!
I also see that Johnson intends to attend, who will be financing his self proclaimed attendance?

[SydneyRover]

I wonder if we'll see johnson flying into the Ukraine anytime soon