World Cup in Qatar - is anyone interested in it?

[SydneyRover]

All you've done there Branton is to supply some numbers then make an assertion because of those numbers, you have not explained the bit in the middle.

[Branton Red]

All you've done there Branton is to supply some numbers then make an assertion because of those numbers, you have not explained the bit in the middle.

Very simple Sydney.

Football is not as popular a sport in India or Pakistan as in England. Hence why they have such very poor international teams versus their population size.

The majority of British Asians have their roots in India or Pakistan.

British Asians are woefully underrepresented in men's and women's pro football in England versus their population share.

Therefore football is not as popular a sport amongst British Asians as it is the rest of the population. In line with in India and Pakistan - hence for cultural reasons.

Therefore British Asians were underrepresented also in the England women's football squad.

Again if you have any data that contradicts mine or my conclusions please feel free to share.

[SydneyRover]

So now we don't need any evidence? just assumptions

[Branton Red]

So now we don't need any evidence? just assumptions

Have you been drinking? The evidence/data was in the previous post you then asked for an explanation which I provided.

If you'd like to intepret the data in another way or supply your own evidence and conclusions therefrom then feel free.

[SydneyRover]

Have you given the data that tells me how you get from the numbers to the conclusions? you know the bit that tells me how and why you can come to those conclusions. Or are you now making assumptions that fit your argument?

Show me the surveys the questionnaires all the things that social scientists would use to be able to make those conclusions.

[Branton Red]

Have you given the data that tells me how you get from the numbers to the conclusions? you know the bit that tells me how and why you can come to those conclusions. Or are you now making assumptions that fit your argument?

Show me the surveys the questionnaires all the things that social scientists would use to be able to make those conclusions.

And that's my cue to exit.

[wilts rover]

China is the Premier League's biggest market with 300 million viewers watching games weekly. Next is India with 147 million.*

2011 figures so probably increased since then

https://www.sportingindex.com/spread-betting-blog/premier-league-viewing-figures

The Indian Super League is the most watched sport in India, bigger than the IPL cricket. Both the Indian and Chinese leagues had a higher average attendence than Seria A the last time figures were collected:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Super_League_attendance

So if you are trying to think of a reason why British Asians are under-represented in British football it's got noting to do with football not being popular in Asian communities - in Britain or in Asia.

[SydneyRover]

Have you given the data that tells me how you get from the numbers to the conclusions? you know the bit that tells me how and why you can come to those conclusions. Or are you now making assumptions that fit your argument?

Show me the surveys the questionnaires all the things that social scientists would use to be able to make those conclusions.

And that's my cue to exit.

Because you can't support what you say, fair enough.

[Branton Red]

China is the Premier League's biggest market with 300 million viewers watching games weekly. Next is India with 147 million.*

2011 figures so probably increased since then

https://www.sportingindex.com/spread-betting-blog/premier-league-viewing-figures

The Indian Super League is the most watched sport in India, bigger than the IPL cricket. Both the Indian and Chinese leagues had a higher average attendence than Seria A the last time figures were collected:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Super_League_attendance

So if you are trying to think of a reason why British Asians are under-represented in British football it's got noting to do with football not being popular in Asian communities - in Britain or in Asia.

Thanks Wilts - that's a sensible and well reasoned counter argument

But that's watching football not playing it.

How do you explain India having 17.7% of the world's population and only the 61st best women's team and the 106th best men's team in the world.

Or the fact that British Asians account for 8% of the England and Wales population but less than 1% of our pro footballers.

If it's not down to a lack of participation??

[phil old leake]

Branton I’d give up you’re on a loser.  You could be in complete agreement with some people on here and they’d just make excuses to contradict or argue with you.
You should be used to it. Same old same old

[SydneyRover]

Branton I’d give up you’re on a loser.  You could be in complete agreement with some people on here and they’d just make excuses to contradict or argue with you.
You should be used to it. Same old same old

Any time you want to step in and provide some proof go ahead phil, one of the problems is that unsupported hearsay is taken on board as evidence and repeated.

[phil old leake]

Talk of the devil. 

[SydneyRover]

That's insults from you and branton, didn't you read the note about having civilised conversation phil?

[drfchound]

Anyway, back to the original question in the OP.
Yes, I’m interested in the World Cup in Qatar.
There have been some shock results which adds to the intrigue.

[Prez]

Watching Brazil tonight on the beeb and they have Gilberto Silva as one of the pundits.

The guy still gives me nightmares.

[turnbull for england]

Watching Brazil tonight on the beeb and they have Gilberto Silva as one of the pundits.

The guy still gives me nightmares.

Yep , I had to call him a t**t when he came on for old times sake

[wilts rover]

China is the Premier League's biggest market with 300 million viewers watching games weekly. Next is India with 147 million.*

2011 figures so probably increased since then

https://www.sportingindex.com/spread-betting-blog/premier-league-viewing-figures

The Indian Super League is the most watched sport in India, bigger than the IPL cricket. Both the Indian and Chinese leagues had a higher average attendence than Seria A the last time figures were collected:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Super_League_attendance

So if you are trying to think of a reason why British Asians are under-represented in British football it's got noting to do with football not being popular in Asian communities - in Britain or in Asia.

Thanks Wilts - that's a sensible and well reasoned counter argument

But that's watching football not playing it.

How do you explain India having 17.7% of the world's population and only the 61st best women's team and the 106th best men's team in the world.

Or the fact that British Asians account for 8% of the England and Wales population but less than 1% of our pro footballers.

If it's not down to a lack of participation??

Lack of quality coaching, tactics, funding, poor leadership, the same reason 'big' clubs like Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth are not in the PL whilst 'smaller' ones like Brentford & Bournemouth are.

There are 50,000 football clubs in India. All/most British Asian will play football at school. So I don't see how it can be down to lack of participation of youngsters.

But you are asking the right questions as to why they don't progress.

[DRFC_AjA]

Back to the footy....Angleterre today, let's just hope for a good performance, no injuries, Grealish to start for a change?

and no hypocritical virtue signalling like the Germans.....

remember kids, if the players and pundits had the moral conscience they pretend to have then they wouldn't be there and neither would they pick up their Chinese funded pay packet each month back in the EPL

Pickin n choosin at the outrage buffet

PS.....if the pundits keep banging on about this mythical "red wall" of Wales fans  you'd think a football ground had never had fans in before, pretty much every nation has made more noise so far

[BillyStubbsTears]

Back to the footy you say...?

[pib]

Back to the footy....Angleterre today, let's just hope for a good performance, no injuries, Grealish to start for a change?

and no hypocritical virtue signalling like the Germans.....

remember kids, if the players and pundits had the moral conscience they pretend to have then they wouldn't be there and neither would they pick up their Chinese funded pay packet each month back in the EPL

Pickin n choosin at the outrage buffet

PS.....if the pundits keep banging on about this mythical "red wall" of Wales fans  you'd think a football ground had never had fans in before, pretty much every nation has made more noise so far

They are doing their jobs aren't they? If everybody boycotted work due to moral objections, then millions of us wouldn't go to work every day, as pretty much every big corporation or institution has some sort of objectionable moral record of some description, whether it be environmental, low pay, poor standards, corruption, involvement in politics, back-handers, tax, or whatever else.

You can have ethical concerns and still take part in something but protest instead. That's a perfectly reasonable stance to take. I don't agree with a lot of the politics of this country and find a lot of what's happening here to be morally repugnant at the moment, but I don't refuse to go to work or participate in society.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Back to the footy....Angleterre today, let's just hope for a good performance, no injuries, Grealish to start for a change?

and no hypocritical virtue signalling like the Germans.....

remember kids, if the players and pundits had the moral conscience they pretend to have then they wouldn't be there and neither would they pick up their Chinese funded pay packet each month back in the EPL

Pickin n choosin at the outrage buffet

PS.....if the pundits keep banging on about this mythical "red wall" of Wales fans  you'd think a football ground had never had fans in before, pretty much every nation has made more noise so far

They are doing their jobs aren't they? If everybody boycotted work due to moral objections, then millions of us wouldn't go to work every day, as pretty much every big corporation or institution has some sort of objectionable moral record of some description, whether it be environmental, low pay, poor standards, corruption, involvement in politics, back-handers, tax, or whatever else.

You can have ethical concerns and still take part in something but protest instead. That's a perfectly reasonable stance to take. I don't agree with a lot of the politics of this country and find a lot of what's happening here to be morally repugnant at the moment, but I don't refuse to go to work or participate in society.

Post of the Month. Nails it.

[auckleyflyer]

Humble pie time ! Wasn't bothered at all but enjoying it so much and think it will be the one world cup when England aren't rinsed after prem, champions League, fa and league cups. They'll only go and win it !!?

[EasyforDennis]

They need to improve dramatically for that to happen.

[Campsall rover]

Won’t win it unless they are told to go out and play without fear.

Let other teams worry about us not the other way round.

That doesn’t mean going gun hoe. Obviously we need to be organised and know the oppositions strengths but the emphasis has to be on using our talented attacking players and going out to score goals.

[NickDRFC]

Won’t win it unless they are told to go out and play without fear.

Let other teams worry about us not the other way round.

That doesn’t mean going gun hoe. Obviously we need to be organised and know the oppositions strengths but the emphasis has to be on using our talented attacking players and going out to score goals.

So easy, isn’t it? Amazing we’ve not won it by now.

[Branton Red]

They are doing their jobs aren't they? If everybody boycotted work due to moral objections, then millions of us wouldn't go to work every day, as pretty much every big corporation or institution has some sort of objectionable moral record of some description, whether it be environmental, low pay, poor standards, corruption, involvement in politics, back-handers, tax, or whatever else.

You can have ethical concerns and still take part in something but protest instead. That's a perfectly reasonable stance to take. I don't agree with a lot of the politics of this country and find a lot of what's happening here to be morally repugnant at the moment, but I don't refuse to go to work or participate in society.

The objectionable moral record of Qatar involves appalling/racist treatment of foreign workers resulting in 100s of deaths and 1,000s of injuries each year including in building the World Cup stadiums; forced labour inc confiscation of passports; homosexuality is illegal and can be punished by death from stoning; women cannot marry, travel abroad, take contraceptives or as single parents retain custody of their children without permission from their male guardian and face restrictions in what they can wear; you can only vote if you have a descendant who held Qatari citizenship in 1930 - so much of the population is disenfranchised on racial grounds.

Considering that list would you go and "just do a job" in Qatar which promotes the country and it's regime on the world stage?!

There is really no comparison to the behaviours you list above involving some UK companies - many of which are illegal in this country, or indeed UK politics. In fact I'd humbly suggest you reconsider your appalling analogy.

[pib]

They are doing their jobs aren't they? If everybody boycotted work due to moral objections, then millions of us wouldn't go to work every day, as pretty much every big corporation or institution has some sort of objectionable moral record of some description, whether it be environmental, low pay, poor standards, corruption, involvement in politics, back-handers, tax, or whatever else.

You can have ethical concerns and still take part in something but protest instead. That's a perfectly reasonable stance to take. I don't agree with a lot of the politics of this country and find a lot of what's happening here to be morally repugnant at the moment, but I don't refuse to go to work or participate in society.

The objectionable moral record of Qatar involves appalling/racist treatment of foreign workers resulting in 100s of deaths and 1,000s of injuries each year including in building the World Cup stadiums; forced labour inc confiscation of passports; homosexuality is illegal and can be punished by death from stoning; women cannot marry, travel abroad, take contraceptives or as single parents retain custody of their children without permission from their male guardian and face restrictions in what they can wear; you can only vote if you have a descendant who held Qatari citizenship in 1930 - so much of the population is disenfranchised on racial grounds.

Considering that list would you go and "just do a job" in Qatar which promotes the country and it's regime on the world stage?!

There is really no comparison to the behaviours you list above involving some UK companies - many of which are illegal in this country, or indeed UK politics. In fact I'd humbly suggest you reconsider your appalling analogy.

Where have I said I endorse or support the abhorrent laws and ethics of the Qatari regime? Nowhere. So stop treating me as if I have. I am merely highlighting that it’s a perfectly reasonable stance to participate in something that you don’t agree with and protest against it from within, and that refusing to engage isn’t the only option to show your opposition to a regime.

To suggest I am comparing the moral/ethical record of the UK to Qatar is either missing the point, or deliberately twisting the point in order to sit on your soapbox of outrage.

Go and patronise someone else.

[DRFC_AjA]

Back to the footy....Angleterre today, let's just hope for a good performance, no injuries, Grealish to start for a change?

and no hypocritical virtue signalling like the Germans.....

remember kids, if the players and pundits had the moral conscience they pretend to have then they wouldn't be there and neither would they pick up their Chinese funded pay packet each month back in the EPL

Pickin n choosin at the outrage buffet

PS.....if the pundits keep banging on about this mythical "red wall" of Wales fans  you'd think a football ground had never had fans in before, pretty much every nation has made more noise so far

They are doing their jobs aren't they? If everybody boycotted work due to moral objections, then millions of us wouldn't go to work every day, as pretty much every big corporation or institution has some sort of objectionable moral record of some description, whether it be environmental, low pay, poor standards, corruption, involvement in politics, back-handers, tax, or whatever else.

You can have ethical concerns and still take part in something but protest instead. That's a perfectly reasonable stance to take. I don't agree with a lot of the politics of this country and find a lot of what's happening here to be morally repugnant at the moment, but I don't refuse to go to work or participate in society.

The big difference....you arent going to work and forcing your views / what you oppose politically on others. You arent wearing a unicorn hat / making everyone put their elbow on the wall (im mocking rainbow hats and knees on grass) or some other limp, pathetic, meaningless gesture that you somehow think means you're showing support for some random thing you've decided you care about.

You go to work and you sell that car, build that house, earth that wire or whatever you may do and you DONT force whatever nonsense you've decided you believe in on others, and you DONT class yourself as some sort of moral crusader by doing so

Pundits, stick to talking about the footy, players stick to playing the footy. And I say again, if they had a conscience they wouldnt play for Newcastle or tour Asia pre season. But they do, oh but Harry Kane has a rainbow Rolex now btw so he's aaaallllll about gay rights

[wilts rover]

I don't like listening to it/watching it - therefore you have to stop doing it.

I can only image what type of person that may get annoyed over other people protesting about gay rights/human rights generally?

Maybe they should take their own and advice and not watch things they don't like?

[phil old leake]

If Kane has bought the rainbow watch it’s the same/similar to one that Stormzy wore
Would the 1/2 million pound they both spent not be better spent on feeding the hungry or warming the cold or helping the homeless or research into killer diseases rather than complimenting their wrist
Hopefully it will be sold for a profit and the money diverted to a cause that can benefit from the funds