Labour top brass getting down to business

[roverstillidie91]

Is Keir going to make NHS fully 100% a public service and bring ALL public services back into public hands.

I think this could be a sticky point for Labour in the next general election because people care about the NHS.

It's sucking up to the oligarchs and billionaires.

No wonder he is referred to as a 'red tory'.

I hope if he is exactly that then conservatives and labour can be finished as credible parties but the public are too stupid to vote for them or by not voting at all which I believe it should be mandatory to vote on the things you believe.

& in addition to that they should be held more to account like Mick Lynch says if they go back on a pledge.

I’m not sure that many people know what KS really stands for or what he proposes to do.
It makes it difficult for people (me included) to know who to support.

it is more than likely because the majority of the general public won't like what he is going to implement.

these political parties who put forward policies and go back on them should be held to account

So what are the policies he is going to implement rtid91.  It would be good to know.

he has been the leader since what 2019 or 2020? Still not quite sure. I don't trust them enough to get my vote and people I know are the same.

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

[drfchound]

Is Keir going to make NHS fully 100% a public service and bring ALL public services back into public hands.

I think this could be a sticky point for Labour in the next general election because people care about the NHS.

It's sucking up to the oligarchs and billionaires.

No wonder he is referred to as a 'red tory'.

I hope if he is exactly that then conservatives and labour can be finished as credible parties but the public are too stupid to vote for them or by not voting at all which I believe it should be mandatory to vote on the things you believe.

& in addition to that they should be held more to account like Mick Lynch says if they go back on a pledge.

I’m not sure that many people know what KS really stands for or what he proposes to do.
It makes it difficult for people (me included) to know who to support.

it is more than likely because the majority of the general public won't like what he is going to implement.

these political parties who put forward policies and go back on them should be held to account

So what are the policies he is going to implement rtid91.  It would be good to know.

he has been the leader since what 2019 or 2020? Still not quite sure. I don't trust them enough to get my vote and people I know are the same.

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

Cheers for that response.  It is more or less what I and quite a few of my friends are thinking.
I remember when he (KS) got the job and we were told that he was the new Messiah.

[roverstillidie91]

Is Keir going to make NHS fully 100% a public service and bring ALL public services back into public hands.

I think this could be a sticky point for Labour in the next general election because people care about the NHS.

It's sucking up to the oligarchs and billionaires.

No wonder he is referred to as a 'red tory'.

I hope if he is exactly that then conservatives and labour can be finished as credible parties but the public are too stupid to vote for them or by not voting at all which I believe it should be mandatory to vote on the things you believe.

& in addition to that they should be held more to account like Mick Lynch says if they go back on a pledge.

I’m not sure that many people know what KS really stands for or what he proposes to do.
It makes it difficult for people (me included) to know who to support.

it is more than likely because the majority of the general public won't like what he is going to implement.

these political parties who put forward policies and go back on them should be held to account

So what are the policies he is going to implement rtid91.  It would be good to know.

he has been the leader since what 2019 or 2020? Still not quite sure. I don't trust them enough to get my vote and people I know are the same.

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

Cheers for that response.  It is more or less what I and quite a few of my friends are thinking.
I remember when he (KS) got the job and we were told that he was the new Messiah.

they threw Jeremy Corbyn under the bus, its own MP's sabotaging the labour campagin to get in power and the smears in the right wing press from the tories, oligarchs and corporations.

I know it wont happen but if it was up to me Tories and Labour should be finished as credible parties.

Keir Starmer for PM? No thank you I'll use my vote elsewhere and obviously not with the Tories. I imagine there will be a lot of people who are the same.

They don't represent working people. And for the fact he sacked or demoted an MP or whatever it was for joining a picket line and even his own MP's are standing against it.

Keir as always.... SILENT

[drfchound]

Is Keir going to make NHS fully 100% a public service and bring ALL public services back into public hands.

I think this could be a sticky point for Labour in the next general election because people care about the NHS.

It's sucking up to the oligarchs and billionaires.

No wonder he is referred to as a 'red tory'.

I hope if he is exactly that then conservatives and labour can be finished as credible parties but the public are too stupid to vote for them or by not voting at all which I believe it should be mandatory to vote on the things you believe.

& in addition to that they should be held more to account like Mick Lynch says if they go back on a pledge.

I’m not sure that many people know what KS really stands for or what he proposes to do.
It makes it difficult for people (me included) to know who to support.

it is more than likely because the majority of the general public won't like what he is going to implement.

these political parties who put forward policies and go back on them should be held to account

So what are the policies he is going to implement rtid91.  It would be good to know.

he has been the leader since what 2019 or 2020? Still not quite sure. I don't trust them enough to get my vote and people I know are the same.

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

Cheers for that response.  It is more or less what I and quite a few of my friends are thinking.
I remember when he (KS) got the job and we were told that he was the new Messiah.

they threw Jeremy Corbyn under the bus, its own MP's sabotaging the labour campagin to get in power and the smears in the right wing press from the tories, oligarchs and corporations.

I know it wont happen but if it was up to me Tories and Labour should be finished as credible parties.

Keir Starmer for PM? No thank you I'll use my vote elsewhere and obviously not with the Tories. I imagine there will be a lot of people who are the same.

They don't represent working people. And for the fact he sacked or demoted an MP or whatever it was for joining a picket line and even his own MP's are standing against it.

Keir as always.... SILENT

Of course there will always be those who will vote for the Tory or Labour Party’s come what may, quite often because they hate “the other side” rather than for any positive reasons from “their side”.
I’m not sure that there will be a big enough vote for anyone else to break the model.

[ncRover]

Is Keir going to make NHS fully 100% a public service and bring ALL public services back into public hands.

I think this could be a sticky point for Labour in the next general election because people care about the NHS.

It's sucking up to the oligarchs and billionaires.

No wonder he is referred to as a 'red tory'.

I hope if he is exactly that then conservatives and labour can be finished as credible parties but the public are too stupid to vote for them or by not voting at all which I believe it should be mandatory to vote on the things you believe.

& in addition to that they should be held more to account like Mick Lynch says if they go back on a pledge.

I’m not sure that many people know what KS really stands for or what he proposes to do.
It makes it difficult for people (me included) to know who to support.

it is more than likely because the majority of the general public won't like what he is going to implement.

these political parties who put forward policies and go back on them should be held to account

So what are the policies he is going to implement rtid91.  It would be good to know.

he has been the leader since what 2019 or 2020? Still not quite sure. I don't trust them enough to get my vote and people I know are the same.

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

Cheers for that response.  It is more or less what I and quite a few of my friends are thinking.
I remember when he (KS) got the job and we were told that he was the new Messiah.

they threw Jeremy Corbyn under the bus, its own MP's sabotaging the labour campagin to get in power and the smears in the right wing press from the tories, oligarchs and corporations.

I know it wont happen but if it was up to me Tories and Labour should be finished as credible parties.

Keir Starmer for PM? No thank you I'll use my vote elsewhere and obviously not with the Tories. I imagine there will be a lot of people who are the same.

They don't represent working people. And for the fact he sacked or demoted an MP or whatever it was for joining a picket line and even his own MP's are standing against it.

Keir as always.... SILENT

Of course there will always be those who will vote for the Tory or Labour Party’s come what may, quite often because they hate “the other side” rather than for any positive reasons from “their side”.
I’m not sure that there will be a big enough vote for anyone else to break the model.

No Labour Party to the left of centre-left can win an election by majority. That has been proven.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Starmer didn't sack an MP for joining a picket line.

But facts, eh?

[drfchound]

Labour frontbencher Sam Tarry sacked after giving TV interview on picket line during rail strike
The MP for Ilford South and shadow transport minister, was this morning at Euston station along with rail workers taking industrial action over pay and conditions.


The above from Sky news.com

[ravenrover]

Is Keir going to make NHS fully 100% a public service and bring ALL public services back into public hands.

I think this could be a sticky point for Labour in the next general election because people care about the NHS.

It's sucking up to the oligarchs and billionaires.

No wonder he is referred to as a 'red tory'.

I hope if he is exactly that then conservatives and labour can be finished as credible parties but the public are too stupid to vote for them or by not voting at all which I believe it should be mandatory to vote on the things you believe.

& in addition to that they should be held more to account like Mick Lynch says if they go back on a pledge.

I’m not sure that many people know what KS really stands for or what he proposes to do.
It makes it difficult for people (me included) to know who to support.

it is more than likely because the majority of the general public won't like what he is going to implement.

these political parties who put forward policies and go back on them should be held to account

So what are the policies he is going to implement rtid91.  It would be good to know.

he has been the leader since what 2019 or 2020? Still not quite sure. I don't trust them enough to get my vote and people I know are the same.

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

Cheers for that response.  It is more or less what I and quite a few of my friends are thinking.
I remember when he (KS) got the job and we were told that he was the new Messiah.

they threw Jeremy Corbyn under the bus, its own MP's sabotaging the labour campagin to get in power and the smears in the right wing press from the tories, oligarchs and corporations.

I know it wont happen but if it was up to me Tories and Labour should be finished as credible parties.

Keir Starmer for PM? No thank you I'll use my vote elsewhere and obviously not with the Tories. I imagine there will be a lot of people who are the same.

They don't represent working people. And for the fact he sacked or demoted an MP or whatever it was for joining a picket line and even his own MP's are standing against it.

Keir as always.... SILENT

Waste of a vote then really. Which other party will challenge the Tories?

[idler]

Labour frontbencher Sam Tarry sacked after giving TV interview on picket line during rail strike
The MP for Ilford South and shadow transport minister, was this morning at Euston station along with rail workers taking industrial action over pay and conditions.


The above from Sky news.com

Didn’t they say that he was sacked for making a statement to the media while he was there rather than for just being there hound?

[ravenrover]

An un-authorised statement I believe

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tarry had his own agenda that involved trying to get re-selected for his seat. It sited him to be on the front pages picking a fight with the leadership, because so many grassroots members are way to the left of Starmer. He broke party rules by organising a media appearance that wasn't authorised by the central party office. It was a calculated "f**k you" to the leadership, and they had little option but to sack him as a junior minister. Tarry and the Left found it useful to spin that as "MP sacked for going on picket line". Looks like some folk on both sides of the political divide swallowed that.

[roverstillidie91]

Is Keir going to make NHS fully 100% a public service and bring ALL public services back into public hands.

I think this could be a sticky point for Labour in the next general election because people care about the NHS.

It's sucking up to the oligarchs and billionaires.

No wonder he is referred to as a 'red tory'.

I hope if he is exactly that then conservatives and labour can be finished as credible parties but the public are too stupid to vote for them or by not voting at all which I believe it should be mandatory to vote on the things you believe.

& in addition to that they should be held more to account like Mick Lynch says if they go back on a pledge.

I’m not sure that many people know what KS really stands for or what he proposes to do.
It makes it difficult for people (me included) to know who to support.

it is more than likely because the majority of the general public won't like what he is going to implement.

these political parties who put forward policies and go back on them should be held to account

So what are the policies he is going to implement rtid91.  It would be good to know.

he has been the leader since what 2019 or 2020? Still not quite sure. I don't trust them enough to get my vote and people I know are the same.

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

Cheers for that response.  It is more or less what I and quite a few of my friends are thinking.
I remember when he (KS) got the job and we were told that he was the new Messiah.

they threw Jeremy Corbyn under the bus, its own MP's sabotaging the labour campagin to get in power and the smears in the right wing press from the tories, oligarchs and corporations.

I know it wont happen but if it was up to me Tories and Labour should be finished as credible parties.

Keir Starmer for PM? No thank you I'll use my vote elsewhere and obviously not with the Tories. I imagine there will be a lot of people who are the same.

They don't represent working people. And for the fact he sacked or demoted an MP or whatever it was for joining a picket line and even his own MP's are standing against it.

Keir as always.... SILENT

Waste of a vote then really. Which other party will challenge the Tories?

Maybe needs a hung parliament to hold Labour to account, probably unlikely though.

I wonder if that is why they are trying to get rid of SNP so it gives them more seats in house of parliament

[SydneyRover]

Sam Tarry was well discussed right here with all the usual suspects on the case.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=285534.0

[BillyStubbsTears]

How is Labour trying to get rid of the SNP?

[ncRover]

Striking train drivers have had their demands met. An offered pay rise from £60k p/a to £65k p/a. The Labour left must be torn between solidarity and wanting to tax them more.

They rejected it and are striking again

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64303591.amp

[roverstillidie91]

How is Labour trying to get rid of the SNP?

Tories i meant, my error

[roverstillidie91]

Is Keir going to make NHS fully 100% a public service and bring ALL public services back into public hands.

I think this could be a sticky point for Labour in the next general election because people care about the NHS.

It's sucking up to the oligarchs and billionaires.

No wonder he is referred to as a 'red tory'.

I hope if he is exactly that then conservatives and labour can be finished as credible parties but the public are too stupid to vote for them or by not voting at all which I believe it should be mandatory to vote on the things you believe.

& in addition to that they should be held more to account like Mick Lynch says if they go back on a pledge.

I’m not sure that many people know what KS really stands for or what he proposes to do.
It makes it difficult for people (me included) to know who to support.

it is more than likely because the majority of the general public won't like what he is going to implement.

these political parties who put forward policies and go back on them should be held to account

So what are the policies he is going to implement rtid91.  It would be good to know.

he has been the leader since what 2019 or 2020? Still not quite sure. I don't trust them enough to get my vote and people I know are the same.

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

Cheers for that response.  It is more or less what I and quite a few of my friends are thinking.
I remember when he (KS) got the job and we were told that he was the new Messiah.

they threw Jeremy Corbyn under the bus, its own MP's sabotaging the labour campagin to get in power and the smears in the right wing press from the tories, oligarchs and corporations.

I know it wont happen but if it was up to me Tories and Labour should be finished as credible parties.

Keir Starmer for PM? No thank you I'll use my vote elsewhere and obviously not with the Tories. I imagine there will be a lot of people who are the same.

They don't represent working people. And for the fact he sacked or demoted an MP or whatever it was for joining a picket line and even his own MP's are standing against it.

Keir as always.... SILENT

Waste of a vote then really. Which other party will challenge the Tories?

What if something comes about with Jeremy Corbyn now he is an independent (especially after how he has been treated by Labour) he might form his own party in conjunction with Mick Lynch as well, thing is they are getting out there telling people how things are and with all the following they have on a lot of the social media channels on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook etc especially young people (they'll need their ID of course)

Then you got a few hundred thousand alone on some of those channels especially the lawyer guy on Twitter. He talks a lot of sense to discredit the lies tories make https://twitter.com/peterstefanovi2

and then from all the people following all these channels there is PoliticsJoe as well and then you potentially got their family, friends, people down the pub which could spell trouble for Labour in the next election.

[scawsby steve]

Sam Tarry was well discussed right here with all the usual suspects on the case.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=285534.0

I'm surprised you brought that up, Syd. You took a right pasting there. Even those that aren't the "usual suspects" came out against Keith.

You really must try harder if you want to catch us all out.

[SydneyRover]

The sooner you master comprehension the forum will be a better place Steve

[scawsby steve]

The sooner you master comprehension the forum will be a better place Steve

You didn't put a full stop at the end of all that, Syd.

I accept that you can't be as perfect as me, but you could concentrate a little more.

[SydneyRover]

noone could be as perfect as you Stevie boy

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

If this is the best the Tory thinkers can come up with then I think you're right that they haven't a prayer

https://conservativehome.com/2023/01/13/nat-wei-five-groups-of-target-voters-we-need-to-win-over-at-the-next-election-and-what-we-can-offer-them/

This genius is basically saying "Let's help a bunch of people that we've f**ked over for the past 13 years, and chuck a bit of Culture War around as a garnish on top.

20 years out of power might focus their minds on thinking what their point is for the rest of the century.

[SydneyRover]

RTID91 you are going to have to accept at sometime or other if you want change and all the things you post on here about you are going to have to change the government.

Otherwise you are going to have to accept that the incompetence, mismanagement corruption and cronyism will continue forever. It's that simple.

While the tories are in power and your butt points to the ground they will jump around and magic up all sorts of shit to make it sound as though they are going to change but all they are doing is distracting you from getting what you want.

They will never ever voluntarily sort out the country to be fairer they will never ever voluntarily give up anything they don't have to. It's just not going to happen, ever.

If you can't or won't accept that then you are wasting your time and energy and this goes for everyone that wants change not just you.

To effect that change there needs to be a party that can attract broad support to get to first base and then build on that, a max of 2 years, the clock is ticking.

Labour will not hold this massive lead in the polls for ever and especially as it draws closer to the GE as all the tory media and donors fall in behind them along with a goodly slice of those 'neutrals' you will never see as many hats and rabbits in your lifetime.

You need to be inside the tent, putting all that energy to use, if and when success arrives only then can the really hard steady slow slog to make change begin.

This may be hard to swallow and you can bang on for the next two years or forever and what you get will not be perfect, but it at least it won't be tory.

These are all fairly simple straight forward and obvious points but that is how it has to be no distractions, no rabbit holes no wavering, on the other hand if you have some magic (not dreams) then please share it.

[wilts rover]

Labour think that the next general election win is a given but those on the streets last night protesting against the anti-strike bill and on social media certainly won't be voting for a red tory

Do they? Then why has Starmer said they should take nothing for granted and told the party to prepare and act as if they were behind in the polls?

[wilts rover]

Keir Starmer for PM? No thank you I'll use my vote elsewhere and obviously not with the Tories. I imagine there will be a lot of people who are the same.

They don't represent working people. And for the fact he sacked or demoted an MP or whatever it was for joining a picket line and even his own MP's are standing against it.

Keir as always.... SILENT

Yes that's what votes are for and you should use it. Although dont be suprised if you get a different outcome to that you voted for by the way you use it. Who do want to be PM and which party do you want in power then after the next election if not Starmer? Are you going to vote to keep the Tories in power - or for the person best placed to kick them out?

[albie]

It is not just a question of Tory or Labour, Sunak or Keith....it is also do the policies and principles on offer meet your standards.

There is little point in change if the agenda to be followed is a neo-liberal repeat of previous administrations.
The objective is to usher in a new suite of policies which support the interests of working class people.

Sunak is a waste of space, but Keith is only offering new managers of the same discredited system, not a new agenda.
Habitual lies to get the leadership, constant reversal of stated pledges, a shadow cabinet full of yes men.
Anti trade union, refusing to back industrial action on cost of living crises, anti socialist in the unlawful purge of dissent, and failure to bring key economic sectors into the public realm, like water, energy and rail, is not a transformative offer.

Saying to people vote for me, I may be slightly less shit than him, is not an attractive ticket.
What has Starmer got to offer Labour supporters to enthuse voters?

Starmer has set out no vision to meet the future, only a return to the position which caused many to lose faith with Labour with the disastrous vote share in 2010.

[scawsby steve]

It is not just a question of Tory or Labour, Sunak or Keith....it is also do the policies and principles on offer meet your standards.

There is little point in change if the agenda to be followed is a neo-liberal repeat of previous administrations.
The objective is to usher in a new suite of policies which support the interests of working class people.

Sunak is a waste of space, but Keith is only offering new managers of the same discredited system, not a new agenda.
Habitual lies to get the leadership, constant reversal of stated pledges, a shadow cabinet full of yes men.
Anti trade union, refusing to back industrial action on cost of living crises, anti socialist in the unlawful purge of dissent, and failure to bring key economic sectors into the public realm, like water, energy and rail, is not a transformative offer.

Saying to people vote for me, I may be slightly less shit than him, is not an attractive ticket.
What has Starmer got to offer Labour supporters to enthuse voters?

Starmer has set out no vision to meet the future, only a return to the position which caused many to lose faith with Labour with the disastrous vote share in 2010.

Brilliant post, Albie.

[wilts rover]

Either Starmer or Sunak (or maybe Johnson if the Tories kick Sunak out before the GE) will run the country after it. Good luck with your choice of affecting who that may be.

If you wish to change the policies that Labour & Starmer has then you need to join the party and then persuade others in your branch, then the party overall to adopt the policies you think they should have. That's how democracy works in this country.

[tyke1962]

Either Starmer or Sunak (or maybe Johnson if the Tories kick Sunak out before the GE) will run the country after it. Good luck with your choice of affecting who that may be.

If you wish to change the policies that Labour & Starmer has then you need to join the party and then persuade others in your branch, then the party overall to adopt the policies you think they should have. That's how democracy works in this country.

Given the facts since Keith became leader it's pretty evident the direction of travel the Labour Party has decided to plot .

Simply put if you are on the left you won't get selected to stand in any forthcoming election .

Absolute waste of time even contemplating any grass roots activism that promote left wing or socialist policies , complete pyssing in the wind .

Whilst I agree that voting Labour is the only way to be rid of the Tories let's not for one minute pretend that they are going to offer the kind of change that this country desperately needs and a shift away from neoliberalism .

Better than the Tories isn't exactly a high bar .

[BillyStubbsTears]

It is not just a question of Tory or Labour, Sunak or Keith....it is also do the policies and principles on offer meet your standards.

There is little point in change if the agenda to be followed is a neo-liberal repeat of previous administrations.
The objective is to usher in a new suite of policies which support the interests of working class people.

Sunak is a waste of space, but Keith is only offering new managers of the same discredited system, not a new agenda.
Habitual lies to get the leadership, constant reversal of stated pledges, a shadow cabinet full of yes men.
Anti trade union, refusing to back industrial action on cost of living crises, anti socialist in the unlawful purge of dissent, and failure to bring key economic sectors into the public realm, like water, energy and rail, is not a transformative offer.

Saying to people vote for me, I may be slightly less shit than him, is not an attractive ticket.
What has Starmer got to offer Labour supporters to enthuse voters?

Starmer has set out no vision to meet the future, only a return to the position which caused many to lose faith with Labour with the disastrous vote share in 2010.

Yes. Because Labour in 2010 was identical to the Tories.

Give me f**king strength. The intellectual vacuousness of the far Left...