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sedwardsdrfc

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Re: Copps and DS
« Reply #30 on January 08, 2023, 03:41:59 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
The club were getting battered by the fans for having pretty much 0 contracted players by the of the season due to Moore’s mismanagement.

It was an obvious reaction to the accusations of short term thinking. In hindsight we probably shouldn’t be singing players without a manager or DoF to rubber stamp it.



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« Reply #31 on January 08, 2023, 03:44:36 pm by ncRover »
Sad news for Taylor, he seems a nice guy.

Although this is now an opportunity, as DS said that his prognosis would determine transfer activity this month. And Taylor has been largely ineffective when played this season.

Hopefully we go for someone with pace and goal threat. If a permanent isn’t possible, there will be plenty of hungry youngsters available for loan with these attributes.

We currently only have 1 loanee? Which is far less than years gone by.

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« Reply #32 on January 08, 2023, 03:45:58 pm by Padge_DRFC »
Blessing in disguise? Wouldn't have been given funds if he was fit, when in reality he's contributed nothing when played. Now funds available?

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« Reply #33 on January 08, 2023, 05:24:51 pm by Canadian Rover »
Sounds like DS & JC have the players they want. DS stated nothing really down yet or people spoke to BUT he was very clear on the type of player he wants. Makes me think negotiations are happening already.

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« Reply #34 on January 08, 2023, 05:48:20 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
Sounds like DS & JC have the players they want. DS stated nothing really down yet or people spoke to BUT he was very clear on the type of player he wants. Makes me think negotiations are happening already.

They've already said negotiations are ongoing.

I also wonder whether clubs who were playing I'm FA Cup this weekend didn't want to release players until after.

That happened with the Norwich lad who was due to join us but then scored at hat trick in the FA Cup and ended up staying there.

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« Reply #35 on January 08, 2023, 05:52:36 pm by Chris Black come back »
Adam Idah. Has been in and out at Norwich City. Not really broken through yet.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2023, 05:59:42 pm by Chris Black come back »

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« Reply #36 on January 08, 2023, 05:55:50 pm by Red wizard »
Long is a good defender if you are playing compact and deep, we don’t play that way. On the transfer market, it is tough to do good business in this window. Patience is needed to get the right ones. We don’t need bodies in, each one has to be brought in to fit into a system the manager wants to play.

If you can’t get the right ones then you have to muddle through with what you have. If that was the case we wouldn’t get promoted, we are just short in areas.
It's not tough in this window at l2 level getting players we could sign.

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« Reply #37 on January 08, 2023, 06:01:25 pm by Chris Black come back »
I’d say top of list is a central striker. Then next on list is central midfielder with bit more spark and bite than Close and Biggins. Then third on list if we can afford that far, a dynamic wide player with real pace. They would be my three signings.

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« Reply #38 on January 08, 2023, 06:12:50 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
I’d say top of list is a central striker. Then next on list is central midfielder with bit more spark and bite than Close and Biggins. Then third on list if we can afford that far, a dynamic wide player with real pace. They would be my three signings.

Would be happy with that. We all like a bit of spark and bite.

When Close and Biggins are on song together, they're good but we've seen them both drop off the pace at times  which is the source of our problems. Someone who can compete with them both, or at times compliment them would be a big help.

Yes of course we need that forward to compete with and/or compliment Miller for goals too.

Fingers crossed!

ncRover

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« Reply #39 on January 08, 2023, 08:36:39 pm by ncRover »
Adam Idah. Has been in and out at Norwich City. Not really broken through yet.

Says on my scores app he’s been injured. Even still with some premier league and international apps, no chance for L2 I’m afraid.

ForsolongaRover

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« Reply #40 on January 09, 2023, 10:18:33 am by ForsolongaRover »
I can’t say I’ve read every word that has emerged from the club on this subject, but you might have hoped that they would have said where they see the priority areas of the squad which need reinforcements. There are strong opinions on here about the weaknesses, but what do DS and JC see as the most important?

Do they concentrate on players for particular positions or just cast the net generally and hope some deals come off?

It is somewhat irritating to hear that they don’t feel obliged to move early. Are they waiting to see what’s left after the intense activity in pursuit of the best is over?


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« Reply #41 on January 09, 2023, 10:28:11 am by DonnyBazR0ver »
I can’t say I’ve read every word that has emerged from the club on this subject, but you might have hoped that they would have said where they see the priority areas of the squad which need reinforcements. There are strong opinions on here about the weaknesses, but what do DS and JC see as the most important?

Do they concentrate on players for particular positions or just cast the net generally and hope some deals come off?

It is somewhat irritating to hear that they don’t feel obliged to move early. Are they waiting to see what’s left after the intense activity in pursuit of the best is over?



There's supposed to be an update coming from JC as mentioned in Gavins statement.

DS has played cards close to his chest when asked by the media and it has not been said they don't feel obliged to move early. All he has said, is they are in negotiations and a desire to strengthen in forward areas amongst others. The rest is just speculation.
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turnbull for england

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« Reply #42 on January 09, 2023, 10:49:18 am by turnbull for england »
And why wouldn't they keep cards close to their chest. Based on comments we need a quality defender, proven goalscorer and creative midfielder , well that's us and about 91 other clubs at a guess , all fishing in their own relevant ponds . Makes no sense to go fully public. This is the first chance we've had to see this management team in action, let's trust they have a way forward

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« Reply #43 on January 09, 2023, 10:54:25 am by ncRover »
Asked what attributes Rovers might benefit from, Schofield, whose side failed to register an effort on target in Saturday’s 1-0 defeat to Leyton Orient, said: “Something in the final third, some creativity, some speed in behind and one-versus-one moments.“

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-rovers-danny-schofield-gives-january-transfer-window-update-as-birmingham-city-loanee-departs-3978686

Someone who can play both wide and up front could be handy to support Miller. Taylor is out and Hurst is talented but inexperienced. Woltman is just ineffective.

I saw a rumour about Bakayoko from Bolton who we have been linked to before.


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« Reply #44 on January 09, 2023, 11:09:24 am by big fat yorkshire pudding »
It's good to keep things close to their chests (even if it is frustrating for us fans).

Objectively though we've seen Andrews go back with no impact, Tomlin left also so there's 2 gaps up the top end already there, not to mention Taylor now confirmed out for this season (will he ever come back?).

That's a pretty significant gap and one we simply have to fill.  For me the burden on Miller is too much, at some times he needs a rest and we need a different approach when the tactical shape needs to change.  Agard can nick the odd goal but he's got next to zero mobility up the top end.  Then there's Griffiths who can't even make a squad, right now he's looking a woeful signing unless he can find some sort of form and fitness.

For me in this window I'd like a striker who can also play wide, a number 10 who can unlock defences, a central midfielder and potentially depending on injuries a centre half who can pass the ball.

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« Reply #45 on January 09, 2023, 04:18:23 pm by ForsolongaRover »
It's good to keep things close to their chests (even if it is frustrating for us fans).

Objectively though we've seen Andrews go back with no impact, Tomlin left also so there's 2 gaps up the top end already there, not to mention Taylor now confirmed out for this season (will he ever come back?).

That's a pretty significant gap and one we simply have to fill.  For me the burden on Miller is too much, at some times he needs a rest and we need a different approach when the tactical shape needs to change.  Agard can nick the odd goal but he's got next to zero mobility up the top end.  Then there's Griffiths who can't even make a squad, right now he's looking a woeful signing unless he can find some sort of form and fitness.

For me in this window I'd like a striker who can also play wide, a number 10 who can unlock defences, a central midfielder and potentially depending on injuries a centre half who can pass the ball.

I take your point. Schofield does not give a great deal in his interviews though, to the extent that you wonder what he really does think about the strengths and weaknesses. For example, I don't think he has ever provided any clarification of how Miller is expected to operate when he is so obviously isolated. What is his answer? His interviewers don't seem to want to press him for any detail. Good PR can come with suitable confidentiality, but if you are going to give interviews, people expect to find out at least some of your opinions and plans for the future. Tactically it can be advantageous to disclose some of your views. You learnt nothing from Dickov's interviews and look how successful he was.   

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« Reply #46 on January 09, 2023, 06:34:25 pm by Chris Black come back »
I get that he doesn’t want to talk about transfers. That’s fine. But what’s happening with the injuries. Would be good to have a more structure update on this, rather than morsels dripped out in the Free Press now and again.

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« Reply #47 on January 10, 2023, 05:43:46 pm by silent majority »
I get that he doesn’t want to talk about transfers. That’s fine. But what’s happening with the injuries. Would be good to have a more structure update on this, rather than morsels dripped out in the Free Press now and again.

I think if somebody asked him the right questions you may get the answers you're looking for!

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« Reply #48 on January 11, 2023, 10:12:46 am by Colin C No.3 »
I get that he doesn’t want to talk about transfers. That’s fine. But what’s happening with the injuries. Would be good to have a more structure update on this, rather than morsels dripped out in the Free Press now and again.

I think if somebody asked him the right questions you may get the answers you're looking for!
Spot on SM.

There are some shocking so called ‘Sports Journalist’s’ especially at local level.

It’s very much the same old, same old, its like reading from a prepared script written the night before the game.

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« Reply #49 on January 11, 2023, 12:07:44 pm by Chris Black come back »
I don’t think it is solely the job of the Free Press to update supporters on our injury situation. We have quite a lot of (senior) players out injured, some for a decent period. A monthly update from the treatment table as we used to do on the website, would not be too much to ask survey.

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« Reply #50 on January 11, 2023, 02:39:10 pm by ForsolongaRover »
Press interviews do present an opportunity for the Head Coach to improve the way fans regard him. It is not a matter of providing as little information as you think will satisfy the questioner - and as has been said, that does not require much effort.

I cannot say that I dislike him, but when I do listen, I hear similar things to what I’ve heard from him before, often more than once, and quite frankly he is not inspiring. If we are to believe he can do a good job he needs to show that he is more perceptive than comes through. Copps could and ought to be teaching him a thing or two about PR.

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« Reply #51 on January 11, 2023, 02:55:06 pm by EasyforDennis »
Never really understand why we have to leave it until the end of the month to get our business done. If we know who we want, why not do all the negotiations done before the window opens then get them signed when it opens?

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« Reply #52 on January 11, 2023, 02:59:51 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
Press interviews do present an opportunity for the Head Coach to improve the way fans regard him. It is not a matter of providing as little information as you think will satisfy the questioner - and as has been said, that does not require much effort.

I cannot say that I dislike him, but when I do listen, I hear similar things to what I’ve heard from him before, often more than once, and quite frankly he is not inspiring. If we are to believe he can do a good job he needs to show that he is more perceptive than comes through. Copps could and ought to be teaching him a thing or two about PR.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. He's a head coach and will speak as such. It's not about trying to gain popularity other than from the way the team performs so as long as he can inspire the players to play well enough that's all that matters isn't it?


DonnyBazR0ver

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« Reply #53 on January 11, 2023, 03:12:25 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
Never really understand why we have to leave it until the end of the month to get our business done. If we know who we want, why not do all the negotiations done before the window opens then get them signed when it opens?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60155515

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« Reply #54 on January 11, 2023, 03:45:20 pm by EasyforDennis »
Never really understand why we have to leave it until the end of the month to get our business done. If we know who we want, why not do all the negotiations done before the window opens then get them signed when it opens?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60155515

Good read but doesn't really answer the question.

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« Reply #55 on January 11, 2023, 04:08:52 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
You're old enough and wise enough to know we don't always leave it to the end of the window.

How many days of the window had elapsed when we signed George Miller, Luke Molyneux, James Maxwell, Kyle Hurst, Josh Andrews, Adam Long etc etc?

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« Reply #56 on January 11, 2023, 04:38:50 pm by RugbyRover »
Press interviews do present an opportunity for the Head Coach to improve the way fans regard him. It is not a matter of providing as little information as you think will satisfy the questioner - and as has been said, that does not require much effort.

I cannot say that I dislike him, but when I do listen, I hear similar things to what I’ve heard from him before, often more than once, and quite frankly he is not inspiring. If we are to believe he can do a good job he needs to show that he is more perceptive than comes through. Copps could and ought to be teaching him a thing or two about PR.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. He's a head coach and will speak as such. It's not about trying to gain popularity other than from the way the team performs so as long as he can inspire the players to play well enough that's all that matters isn't it?

well, if not the head coach, then who else are we the supporters going to get inspired by?

maybe its an indication about how I'm feeling towards the club but I know I definitely need someone to give me a lift.

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« Reply #57 on January 11, 2023, 04:55:21 pm by steve@dcfd »
You're old enough and wise enough to know we don't always leave it to the end of the window.

How many days of the window had elapsed when we signed George Miller, Luke Molyneux, James Maxwell, Kyle Hurst, Josh Andrews, Adam Long etc etc?
All players that are good Andrews is was an unknown because of his injury. But all need development to become quality players at this level and above.
To sign players better than those will take time in this window unfortunately if they are available we may lose out on them as well.

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« Reply #58 on January 11, 2023, 05:00:52 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
Press interviews do present an opportunity for the Head Coach to improve the way fans regard him. It is not a matter of providing as little information as you think will satisfy the questioner - and as has been said, that does not require much effort.

I cannot say that I dislike him, but when I do listen, I hear similar things to what I’ve heard from him before, often more than once, and quite frankly he is not inspiring. If we are to believe he can do a good job he needs to show that he is more perceptive than comes through. Copps could and ought to be teaching him a thing or two about PR.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. He's a head coach and will speak as such. It's not about trying to gain popularity other than from the way the team performs so as long as he can inspire the players to play well enough that's all that matters isn't it?

well, if not the head coach, then who else are we the supporters going to get inspired by?

maybe its an indication about how I'm feeling towards the club but I know I definitely need someone to give me a lift.

The players??

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« Reply #59 on January 11, 2023, 05:23:10 pm by RugbyRover »
Press interviews do present an opportunity for the Head Coach to improve the way fans regard him. It is not a matter of providing as little information as you think will satisfy the questioner - and as has been said, that does not require much effort.

I cannot say that I dislike him, but when I do listen, I hear similar things to what I’ve heard from him before, often more than once, and quite frankly he is not inspiring. If we are to believe he can do a good job he needs to show that he is more perceptive than comes through. Copps could and ought to be teaching him a thing or two about PR.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. He's a head coach and will speak as such. It's not about trying to gain popularity other than from the way the team performs so as long as he can inspire the players to play well enough that's all that matters isn't it?

well, if not the head coach, then who else are we the supporters going to get inspired by?

maybe its an indication about how I'm feeling towards the club but I know I definitely need someone to give me a lift.

The players??

good shout, and I think that's the way it always used to be, but this current group won't be doing it, and I doubt the next batch of cheap crocks, green lads and has-beens will do it either. Although I'd say that Kyle Hurst would be the one player I'd back to have a career.

Overall I need to see some energy and spark injected into the club/team. It just seems that the club is there to exist at the moment and nothing else. I really feel as though things have gone in a big circle and I'm back watching them in the seventies.

Blimey, the more I think about it the more depressed I become.

Thanks for the shoulder :)

 

 

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