Not my Labour party

[Ldr]

I guess any Labour supporting poster who hasn't condemned it needs a look at their standards eh Billy?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I agree Ldr.

[SydneyRover]

This is not gospel ................. yet

''Yvette Cooper was ‘not told’ about Labour’s Sunak attack ad in advance''

''It is understood that Cooper and most of the shadow cabinet were caught unawares when it was released on Thursday on social media, causing a storm of controversy and drawing claims that it carried racist undertones''

''Asked on Saturday whether Starmer had approved the graphic or knew about it in advance, a Labour source said the leader had not been aware of it and stressed Starmer would not usually be expected to sign off individual campaign materials''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/08/yvette-cooper-was-not-told-about-labours-sunak-attack-ad-in-advance

[SydneyRover]

 ...... just cos the usual anti-labour, anti-starmer, anti-starmer/labour hysterical chorus line jump up and down and froth at the mouth ..... at the drop of a hat, it doesn't mean that labour or left supporters need to jump in and condemn whatever the subject matter may be.

[wilts rover]

There is an assumption (and a famous saying by Peter Mandleson) that all left wing voters are Labour voters. They are not. And if the current leadership of the Labour Party continue to pander to the Daily Mail readership rather than left-leaning progressives, there will be a lot less of them.

[Ldr]

I agree Ldr.

The logical assumption has to be if they don't then they must condone it, which says a lot about who they are

[Ldr]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-ads-rishi-sunak-rape-b2316729.html

And on and on and on..................

[albie]

Syd,

The idea that this twitter campaign was undertaken without approval is barking mad.

Firstly, the original has not been withdrawn, despite the uproar and revulsion.

Secondly, the offensive tweet was the opening salvo in a series, and there have been 2 further tweets since the first which created the furore.

Thirdly, the tweet was re-used by the Labour Press, Labour Whips and members of the shadow cabinet like Jess Phillips and Reed.

Fourthly, Labour Head of Strategy Deborah Mattinson pushed out the tweet on her account.

It is part of a deliberate campaign of fighting dirty going into the local elections.
Labour cannot find enough people to stand for the party, due to the dislike of Keith and loss of local autonomy in choosing reps.
Punching down via social media is the tactic they have chosen to compensate.

Keith has always made great play by insisting he takes full responsabilty for actions by his organisation under his watch.
Here he is bigging up that commitment;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644777704464560129

A pledge is a pledge....do you think he means it?

[tyke1962]

Syd,

The idea that this twitter campaign was undertaken without approval is barking mad.

Firstly, the original has not been withdrawn, despite the uproar and revulsion.

Secondly, the offensive tweet was the opening salvo in a series, and there have been 2 further tweets since the first which created the furore.

Thirdly, the tweet was re-used by the Labour Press, Labour Whips and members of the shadow cabinet like Jess Phillips and Reed.

Fourthly, Labour Head of Strategy Deborah Mattinson pushed out the tweet on her account.

It is part of a deliberate campaign of fighting dirty going into the local elections.
Labour cannot find enough people to stand for the party, due to the dislike of Keith and loss of local autonomy in choosing reps.
Punching down via social media is the tactic they have chosen to compensate.

Keith has always made great play by insisting he takes full responsabilty for actions by his organisation under his watch.
Here he is bigging up that commitment;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644777704464560129

A pledge is a pledge....do you think he means it?

Another pledge ......... hmmm ??

[danumdon]

I get the impression that the Labour hierarchy have taken a leaf from the Tory party's playbook and want to fight fire with fire, its like they've seen the Tories get away with it for so long that they may as well take this low road.

Just remember not everyone who voted Tory agreed with the way the Tories conducted their business, this needs to be a lesson for Starmer, if they have taken the decision to go down the gutter this early what can we expect as things start to tighten up and the overall poll lead starts to close ?

Ive said it before and ill say it again, there are some proper scum bags involved in politics on all sides. The fact that Labour have allowed this gutter PR to continue defines certain individuals.

IF Starmer really wants to fight dirty then he's just stepped into dangerous territory for him, you don't take proper scum bags on at their own game and come out smelling of roses.

Someone ought to whisper this into Starmer's shell like.

[Branton Red]

Now I'm not a fan of Keir Starmer for some of the political decisions, volte faces and general ducking and diving he's employed to get to where he is today.

However those actions were political to further his own (if not mine) political ambitions and views.

In a way I admired him as a political operator. Being a little ruthless and hard-nosed is not a bad thing in a leader or prospective PM. Nice guys don't make good leaders generally.

But beyond that I always considered Starmer to be a professional and generally decent man and human being.

Allowing this campaign sheds him in a totally different light I'm afraid

If anything I'm saddened that our political climate has been reduced to this kind of thing from all sides. Gutter politics.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

...... just cos the usual anti-labour, anti-starmer, anti-starmer/labour hysterical chorus line jump up and down and froth at the mouth ..... at the drop of a hat, it doesn't mean that labour or left supporters need to jump in and condemn whatever the subject matter may be.

Do you agree with it?

I don't really care, it's politics, but I struggle to see what labour gain from this at all, it would cost them more.

There's enough to criticise the conservatives for to not require this.

[drfchound]

If we get back on topic, I see good in most people till I'm proved wrong, that's why I would back Starmer in this instance on that tweet, my reading of him says he has boundaries where he won't go. My guess is it will be quietly taken down.

Has the tweet been taken down yet Syd.

[SydneyRover]

Syd,

The idea that this twitter campaign was undertaken without approval is barking mad.

Firstly, the original has not been withdrawn, despite the uproar and revulsion.

Secondly, the offensive tweet was the opening salvo in a series, and there have been 2 further tweets since the first which created the furore.

Thirdly, the tweet was re-used by the Labour Press, Labour Whips and members of the shadow cabinet like Jess Phillips and Reed.

Fourthly, Labour Head of Strategy Deborah Mattinson pushed out the tweet on her account.

It is part of a deliberate campaign of fighting dirty going into the local elections.
Labour cannot find enough people to stand for the party, due to the dislike of Keith and loss of local autonomy in choosing reps.
Punching down via social media is the tactic they have chosen to compensate.

Keith has always made great play by insisting he takes full responsabilty for actions by his organisation under his watch.
Here he is bigging up that commitment;
https://twitter.com/i/status/1644777704464560129

A pledge is a pledge....do you think he means it?

Not sure I or anyone should be taking advice from yourself on what who knows what until we do know Albie.

[ravenrover]

I see Starmer has come out saying that he makes no apologies for the advert.
Expect an attack on his time as DPP from the Tories

[wilts rover]

I get the impression that the Labour hierarchy have taken a leaf from the Tory party's playbook and want to fight fire with fire, its like they've seen the Tories get away with it for so long that they may as well take this low road.

Just remember not everyone who voted Tory agreed with the way the Tories conducted their business, this needs to be a lesson for Starmer, if they have taken the decision to go down the gutter this early what can we expect as things start to tighten up and the overall poll lead starts to close ?

Ive said it before and ill say it again, there are some proper scum bags involved in politics on all sides. The fact that Labour have allowed this gutter PR to continue defines certain individuals.

IF Starmer really wants to fight dirty then he's just stepped into dangerous territory for him, you don't take proper scum bags on at their own game and come out smelling of roses.

Someone ought to whisper this into Starmer's shell like.

You are correct Don. The Labour hierarcy noted that playing dirty increases the Tory vote among a certain type of voter. And didn't stop others, who proffessed to dislike it, voting for them either.

[SydneyRover]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

[tyke1962]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

Your acceptance of two wrongs making a right are extraordinary Syd .

If the tweet that came out from the Labour hierarchy was aimed at Brexit Red Wall voters such as myself in an attempt to gather support then I'm afraid it's spectacularly backfired .

Yet more evidence in my opinion of the Labour Party and it's ridiculous reliance on Focus Groups to pursue political strategy .

As out of touch as they were under Blair with Mandelson pulling the strings .

Oh wait a minute ........ Did I say Mandelson ?

Now there's a coincidence .

[SydneyRover]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

Your acceptance of two wrongs making a right are extraordinary Syd .

If the tweet that came out from the Labour hierarchy was aimed at Brexit Red Wall voters such as myself in an attempt to gather support then I'm afraid it's spectacularly backfired .

Yet more evidence in my opinion of the Labour Party and it's ridiculous reliance on Focus Groups to pursue political strategy .

As out of touch as they were under Blair with Mandelson pulling the strings .

Oh wait a minute ........ Did I say Mandelson ?

Now there's a coincidence .

Getting a lecture on standards from someone that hands out personal abuse is a bit rich tyke and of course you are incorrect to boot as usual.

[tyke1962]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

Your acceptance of two wrongs making a right are extraordinary Syd .

If the tweet that came out from the Labour hierarchy was aimed at Brexit Red Wall voters such as myself in an attempt to gather support then I'm afraid it's spectacularly backfired .

Yet more evidence in my opinion of the Labour Party and it's ridiculous reliance on Focus Groups to pursue political strategy .

As out of touch as they were under Blair with Mandelson pulling the strings .

Oh wait a minute ........ Did I say Mandelson ?

Now there's a coincidence .

Getting a lecture on standards from someone that hands out personal abuse is a bit rich tyke and of course you are incorrect to boot as usual.

The only person who makes political debate personal on this board is yourself Syd which is returned in kind .

Your political tribalism is extraordinary , it's extraordinary because you don't actually back your own horse .

Your a Liberal , all day long .

It's actually difficult to find a scintilla of credibility in such circumstances .

[SydneyRover]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

Your acceptance of two wrongs making a right are extraordinary Syd .

If the tweet that came out from the Labour hierarchy was aimed at Brexit Red Wall voters such as myself in an attempt to gather support then I'm afraid it's spectacularly backfired .

Yet more evidence in my opinion of the Labour Party and it's ridiculous reliance on Focus Groups to pursue political strategy .

As out of touch as they were under Blair with Mandelson pulling the strings .

Oh wait a minute ........ Did I say Mandelson ?

Now there's a coincidence .

Getting a lecture on standards from someone that hands out personal abuse is a bit rich tyke and of course you are incorrect to boot as usual.

The only person who makes political debate personal on this board is yourself Syd which is returned in kind .

Your political tribalism is extraordinary , it's extraordinary because you don't actually back your own horse .

Your a Liberal , all day long .

It's actually difficult to find a scintilla of credibility in such circumstances .

Would you like me to do an auto word count on how many time you've referred to where I live rather than what I've written tyke?

[belton rover]

It seems the Labour party have officially entered into ‘gutter politics’, given Starmer’s condonement of the tweet.

The ‘they’re all the same’ mantra that has been unequivocally dismissed by so many, I’m afraid, will become more and more obvious as Labour take control of our country.

It won’t get any better.

I am really, really surprised at Starmer’s stance on this. As I said earlier in the thread, he had an opportunity to condemn the tweet whilst secretly chuckling to himself because it remains ‘out there’.

I repeat: gutter politics for a country in the gutter.

[Ldr]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65228859

er.................

[tyke1962]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

Your acceptance of two wrongs making a right are extraordinary Syd .

If the tweet that came out from the Labour hierarchy was aimed at Brexit Red Wall voters such as myself in an attempt to gather support then I'm afraid it's spectacularly backfired .

Yet more evidence in my opinion of the Labour Party and it's ridiculous reliance on Focus Groups to pursue political strategy .

As out of touch as they were under Blair with Mandelson pulling the strings .

Oh wait a minute ........ Did I say Mandelson ?

Now there's a coincidence .

Getting a lecture on standards from someone that hands out personal abuse is a bit rich tyke and of course you are incorrect to boot as usual.

The only person who makes political debate personal on this board is yourself Syd which is returned in kind .

Your political tribalism is extraordinary , it's extraordinary because you don't actually back your own horse .

Your a Liberal , all day long .

It's actually difficult to find a scintilla of credibility in such circumstances .

Would you like me to do an auto word count on how many time you've referred to where I live rather than what I've written tyke?

I think once you board an aircraft with Qantas branding and start a new life on the other side of the world you forfeit a good number of credible UK political opinion privileges .

I wouldn't go as far as to say non bowlers off the green but it's none the less highly irregular to read your opinions on how we should vote , what we should vote for from someone who decided life would be better for them personally in another country .

If it was myself I wouldn't look back other than keep up to speed with how my football team were doing .

Why would I care about the UK political scene ?

I think I should probably care more about the political scene in my adopted country rather than the one I'd left behind .

[SydneyRover]

I guess if everyone had shown revulsion and stopped voting for tories each time this sort of thing emanated from their leaders and ministers we wouldn't be discussing it because it wouldn't be happening.

[SydneyRover]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

Your acceptance of two wrongs making a right are extraordinary Syd .

If the tweet that came out from the Labour hierarchy was aimed at Brexit Red Wall voters such as myself in an attempt to gather support then I'm afraid it's spectacularly backfired .

Yet more evidence in my opinion of the Labour Party and it's ridiculous reliance on Focus Groups to pursue political strategy .

As out of touch as they were under Blair with Mandelson pulling the strings .

Oh wait a minute ........ Did I say Mandelson ?

Now there's a coincidence .

Getting a lecture on standards from someone that hands out personal abuse is a bit rich tyke and of course you are incorrect to boot as usual.

The only person who makes political debate personal on this board is yourself Syd which is returned in kind .

Your political tribalism is extraordinary , it's extraordinary because you don't actually back your own horse .

Your a Liberal , all day long .

It's actually difficult to find a scintilla of credibility in such circumstances .

Would you like me to do an auto word count on how many time you've referred to where I live rather than what I've written tyke?

I think once you board an aircraft with Qantas branding and start a new life on the other side of the world you forfeit a good number of credible UK political opinion privileges .

I wouldn't go as far as to say non bowlers off the green but it's none the less highly irregular to read your opinions on how we should vote , what we should vote for from someone who decided life would be better for them personally in another country .

If it was myself I wouldn't look back other than keep up to speed with how my football team were doing .

Why would I care about the UK political scene ?

I think I should probably care more about the political scene in my adopted country rather than the one I'd left behind .

this doesn't excuse you for your abuse tyke, maybe you don't understand racism.

[belton rover]

I guess if everyone had shown revulsion and stopped voting for tories each time this sort of thing emanated from their leaders and ministers we wouldn't be discussing it because it wouldn't be happening.

It won’t stop Labour winning the next election either.

[belton rover]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

Your acceptance of two wrongs making a right are extraordinary Syd .

If the tweet that came out from the Labour hierarchy was aimed at Brexit Red Wall voters such as myself in an attempt to gather support then I'm afraid it's spectacularly backfired .

Yet more evidence in my opinion of the Labour Party and it's ridiculous reliance on Focus Groups to pursue political strategy .

As out of touch as they were under Blair with Mandelson pulling the strings .

Oh wait a minute ........ Did I say Mandelson ?

Now there's a coincidence .

Getting a lecture on standards from someone that hands out personal abuse is a bit rich tyke and of course you are incorrect to boot as usual.

The only person who makes political debate personal on this board is yourself Syd which is returned in kind .

Your political tribalism is extraordinary , it's extraordinary because you don't actually back your own horse .

Your a Liberal , all day long .

It's actually difficult to find a scintilla of credibility in such circumstances .

Would you like me to do an auto word count on how many time you've referred to where I live rather than what I've written tyke?

I think once you board an aircraft with Qantas branding and start a new life on the other side of the world you forfeit a good number of credible UK political opinion privileges .

I wouldn't go as far as to say non bowlers off the green but it's none the less highly irregular to read your opinions on how we should vote , what we should vote for from someone who decided life would be better for them personally in another country .

If it was myself I wouldn't look back other than keep up to speed with how my football team were doing .

Why would I care about the UK political scene ?

I think I should probably care more about the political scene in my adopted country rather than the one I'd left behind .

this doesn't excuse you for your abuse tyke, maybe you don't understand racism.

You clearly don’t.

[SydneyRover]

I guess if everyone had shown revulsion and stopped voting for tories each time this sort of thing emanated from their leaders and ministers we wouldn't be discussing it because it wouldn't be happening.

It won’t stop Labour winning the next election either.

Maybe you should have shouted louder as the tories were doing it.

[SydneyRover]

Would labour do this if the tories hadn't turned it into an art form, their leaders have not only attacked labour but have also abused working people and written a book about their supposed failings.

There has just been an election here in nsw where the leaders complimented each other and showed respect for a clean campaign. Not a normal election at all.

Your acceptance of two wrongs making a right are extraordinary Syd .

If the tweet that came out from the Labour hierarchy was aimed at Brexit Red Wall voters such as myself in an attempt to gather support then I'm afraid it's spectacularly backfired .

Yet more evidence in my opinion of the Labour Party and it's ridiculous reliance on Focus Groups to pursue political strategy .

As out of touch as they were under Blair with Mandelson pulling the strings .

Oh wait a minute ........ Did I say Mandelson ?

Now there's a coincidence .

Getting a lecture on standards from someone that hands out personal abuse is a bit rich tyke and of course you are incorrect to boot as usual.

The only person who makes political debate personal on this board is yourself Syd which is returned in kind .

Your political tribalism is extraordinary , it's extraordinary because you don't actually back your own horse .

Your a Liberal , all day long .

It's actually difficult to find a scintilla of credibility in such circumstances .

Would you like me to do an auto word count on how many time you've referred to where I live rather than what I've written tyke?

I think once you board an aircraft with Qantas branding and start a new life on the other side of the world you forfeit a good number of credible UK political opinion privileges .

I wouldn't go as far as to say non bowlers off the green but it's none the less highly irregular to read your opinions on how we should vote , what we should vote for from someone who decided life would be better for them personally in another country .

If it was myself I wouldn't look back other than keep up to speed with how my football team were doing .

Why would I care about the UK political scene ?

I think I should probably care more about the political scene in my adopted country rather than the one I'd left behind .

this doesn't excuse you for your abuse tyke, maybe you don't understand racism.

You clearly don’t.

So would this be allowed to happen if I was different colour to what you think I am?