Huddersfield & Warnock

[sedwardsdrfc]

I see Danny’s former team have picked up since the appointment of the legendary Warnock. I’ve not followed it that closely but doesn’t look like they bought a whole new squad in Jan.

It’s a perfect example of what we actually need in a manager. Not what Copps might want but it’s what is needed.

I never understand why the young managers who swallow the coaching manual from St George’s and all try to play the same way don’t look to the likes of Warnock 1st.

You can be so successful by excelling at the basics. Fair enough have your beliefs but get the team playing 1st then implement your style slowly with results that give confidence to the club.

I think anyone with a brain can look at how we setting up and say it’s making it harder for what is already an injury hit squad. Even before injuries we were playing a way that restricted us massively.

[Cramby10]

I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago in a thread. The sky man reporting on a match said they just flooded the box with men and crosses and peppered the goal with shots.
It’s really not a difficult game.

[Reg of the Rovers]

He's not always my cup of tea, but definitely evidence of what an experienced and pragmatic manager can do. We're absolutely crying out for something similar, we need to get rid now and spend the money on some experience in the dugout. 

[DonnyBazR0ver]

So who would be your league Two 'Warnock' ?

[Reg of the Rovers]

So who would be your league Two 'Warnock' ?

I posted this a couple of weeks ago - I'm not clever enough to link back to it! I'm even more convinced now that we could pick any random managers name out of a hat and them not be any worse that Schofield though, but a bit of experience and flexibility is a must.

"That is the question isn't it. Although it would take some going to be much worse. I'd prefer John Coleman, Karl Robinson, Michael Appleton, Danny Cowley, Keith Hill, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Paul Cook even than Schofield".

[sedwardsdrfc]

So who would be your league Two 'Warnock' ?

That’s a decision for the people paid to make it. We play against lots of teams who get more from their players than we do so we’re not looking for a needle in a haystack.

Any manager who has had over 100 games at league level will have shown some pragmatism and ability. We came close before choosing McSheffery instead of Simpson.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'd think slightly outside the box and try and get Emma Hayes. She's shown more football nous than many.

[ncRover]

So who would be your league Two 'Warnock' ?

I posted this a couple of weeks ago - I'm not clever enough to link back to it! I'm even more convinced now that we could pick any random managers name out of a hat and them not be any worse that Schofield though, but a bit of experience and flexibility is a must.

"That is the question isn't it. Although it would take some going to be much worse. I'd prefer John Coleman, Karl Robinson, Michael Appleton, Danny Cowley, Keith Hill, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Paul Cook even than Schofield".

Artell is available too. Still young but experienced enough and has a promotion at this level on his CV.

It’s about having the personality to motivate and fire up the players too.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Blackpool's just sacked McCarthy. I'd have him. He might not be everybody's cup of tea but he knows how to get a team organised.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Blackpool's just sacked McCarthy. I'd have him. He might not be everybody's cup of tea but he knows how to get a team organised.

It’s exactly what we need but probably won’t come down this far. Bradford probably thought Mark Hughes wouldn’t either so could be worth an ask.

He’s used to working with a small budget, relative to level. The best use of any substantial funds would be to get the right man in the manager seat.

Imagine how much help he could give to Copps regards contacts in the game and what to look for in recruiting. We’ve Rookies in all the key roles. They need someone to learn off who is the real deal not just a parrot of management speak.

[TommyC]

So who would be your league Two 'Warnock' ?

Evans. Obviously. Not that he'd come here.

He would say hurty things to the players and we couldn't have that.

[Sprotyrover]

I wholeheartedly agree with Glynn, get Mick Mcarthy in!

[andyst79]

If not Evans , Di Canio. Got Swindon out of this division , need someone with passion who won't take no crap.

[TommyC]

This thread has got me thinking. A number of posters quite rightly think we are distinctly lacking in "mesters" in our side. I agree with that totally.

However how many teams that you'd class as being full of mesters have been managed by a wallflower? I'm struggling to think of many.

Shithouse sides tend to have shithouse managers. Prove me wrong
...

Wenger? O'Driscoll perhaps? Still had elements of shithousery about them. Nice guys don't tend to manage good football teams.

[Goole Rover]

I see Danny’s former team have picked up since the appointment of the legendary Warnock. I’ve not followed it that closely but doesn’t look like they bought a whole new squad in Jan.

It’s a perfect example of what we actually need in a manager. Not what Copps might want but it’s what is needed.

I never understand why the young managers who swallow the coaching manual from St George’s and all try to play the same way don’t look to the likes of Warnock 1st.

You can be so successful by excelling at the basics. Fair enough have your beliefs but get the team playing 1st then implement your style slowly with results that give confidence to the club.

I think anyone with a brain can look at how we setting up and say it’s making it harder for what is already an injury hit squad. Even before injuries we were playing a way that restricted us massively.

A few years ago a work colleague who played under Warnock said that he was absolutely clueless as a coach but as a motivator he was the best he’d every played under he went on saying that you felt ten feet tall when going on. Sadly that’s what we’re lacking but management is about learning from your mistakes and implementing changes, let’s hope that DS does next season.

[danumdon]

I see Danny’s former team have picked up since the appointment of the legendary Warnock. I’ve not followed it that closely but doesn’t look like they bought a whole new squad in Jan.

It’s a perfect example of what we actually need in a manager. Not what Copps might want but it’s what is needed.

I never understand why the young managers who swallow the coaching manual from St George’s and all try to play the same way don’t look to the likes of Warnock 1st.

You can be so successful by excelling at the basics. Fair enough have your beliefs but get the team playing 1st then implement your style slowly with results that give confidence to the club.

I think anyone with a brain can look at how we setting up and say it’s making it harder for what is already an injury hit squad. Even before injuries we were playing a way that restricted us massively.

A few years ago a work colleague who played under Warnock said that he was absolutely clueless as a coach but as a motivator he was the best he’d every played under he went on saying that you felt ten feet tall when going on. Sadly that’s what we’re lacking but management is about learning from your mistakes and implementing changes, let’s hope that DS does next season.

This is exactly the majic ingredient with managers like Warnock, he plays to his strengths and lets others do the detail work, he laways brings with him his favoiured coaches to carry out the detail whilst he concentrates on working on the mindset of the players. Like you said every player whos played under him as either improved because of his man manegment skills (or dissapeared into the ether)

This is exactly what we are lacking in our club. It always amazes me that we have fans making excuses for the coach, HOF, players, owners, the tea lady ect, as a club we need to get real, we have floundered for a good few years now because of the little cosy family club ethos we have nurtured, we will be great in the community, schools, hospitals, fair play league, they will all love us but we are deficient in our main focus which is to be some sort of a professional football club that has some sort of share of successes.

We need to remember what a football clubs reason to exist is all about, being successful and winning as many games of football as you can muster.

We need a manager who would not fall foul of the trades descriptions act for starters, some gnarled and nasty ugly old git like Warnock should be where we start to rehabilitate our club from this malaise.

[tyke1962]

I'd think slightly outside the box and try and get Emma Hayes. She's shown more football nous than many.

That's a very good call Glyn and one day someone is going to give this lady an opportunity in the men's game because she's superb .

Her bloody gender is neither here nor there , she's knows her stuff , she's successful .

End of story .

[tyke1962]

Blackpool's just sacked McCarthy. I'd have him. He might not be everybody's cup of tea but he knows how to get a team organised.

Big Mick would I'm sure take it if you can sell the club to him , Mick likes a bob or two which the club have promised to put in .

It's close to Mick's roots as a Wosborough lad and former Barnsley skipper and player .

However what Mick likes is total control over the playing side , he's old skool let's not forget and why he's never had any interest taking the job at Oakwell because he wouldn't get it  here .

There's little point talking to Mick if Copps has the bigger say in playing matters .

He wouldn't waste his time or yours because that's not how Mick rolls .

[i_ateallthepies]

My first choice would be Nigel Clough, he's done it all his career with low-budget clubs and always produces well organised teams.

[drfchound]

I wholeheartedly agree with Glynn, get Mick Mcarthy in!

Yep, great shout.
There might be a problem with players understanding what he says though.

[ROKERITE]

Mick McCarthy is a busted flush and would be a terrible appointment.

[ROKERITE]

So who would be your league Two 'Warnock' ?

On more than one occasion in his long career the fourth tier Warnock has been Neil Warnock. But I can't think of anyone around with numerous promotions from this division.
The outstanding candidate for me, though he only has one League Two title to his name, is Danny Cowley. The other man I'd consider, though his record doesn't match Cowley's is David Artell. He had a difficult job at Crewe and though it ended in relegation back to League Two I think his achievements over five years in the hot-seat at Gresty Road were commendable.

[selby]

  Thinking outside the box, one of the biggest shithousery's as a player Neal Bishop doing a great job at Gainsborough and bringing young players through and successful.
  Could be a future Warnock.

[Chris Black come back]

Not for us, but Craig Parry at Worksop Town has them firing this season. Top of the Northern Premier League - East division by 25 points, having won 28 of their 34 games this season, and losing only once. Will be playing at a decent level next season in the Northern Premier League - Premier division, with some decent sized clubs.

[BerlinRed]

I'd think slightly outside the box and try and get Emma Hayes. She's shown more football nous than many.

Agree with the sentiment, but what makes you think Emma Hayes, who has won pretty much everything there is to win in the women's game, drop down to League Two? Have seen her name put forward before and it's as if she is some sort of amateur.

[Campsall rover]

I'd think slightly outside the box and try and get Emma Hayes. She's shown more football nous than many.

She wouldn’t touch us with a barge poll.
Bet she is on seriously decent money in the WSL at Chelsea. 
Why would she give up being manager of one if the top women’s Clubs in the country to manage a club in Men’s 4th tier, at club which has shown very little ambition in the last 2 years and is on a downward trajectory.
She is not going to risk her standing in the game by taking our job.

Any way we won’t be looking for a female manager. I think it may be some time before that happens in the men’s game.

[Campsall rover]

If not Evans , Di Canio. Got Swindon out of this division , need someone with passion who won't take no crap.

He is a lunatic. No thanks.

[Chris Black come back]

He last managed a decade ago and it was a disaster then. 

[POD]

I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago in a thread. The sky man reporting on a match said they just flooded the box with men and crosses and peppered the goal with shots.
It’s really not a difficult game.

Just watching the EFL Highlights on ITV.

Almost all the goals that were scored in L2 today came as a result of teams having many players in the box and as a result having the opportunity to score.

The way that Rovers have been playing under this and previous managers means that we just don’t get players into forward positions to enable us to get the ball into the box and players there to take chances.

As you say, it really isn’t a difficult game.