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BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #30 on April 23, 2023, 07:53:24 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
What a load of rubbish.



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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #31 on April 23, 2023, 07:57:18 pm by danumdon »
What a load of rubbish.

If your replying to my post you can remind me of the fact come the start of the new season eh.

Campsall rover

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #32 on April 23, 2023, 08:10:30 pm by Campsall rover »
What a load of rubbish.

If your replying to my post you can remind me of the fact come the start of the new season eh.
If we got some real experienced mesters with promotions on their CV’s I think they would tell DS some home truths about what’s needed to get out of this league.
Would he be able to cope with having those strong personalities in the dressing room.





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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #33 on April 23, 2023, 08:29:03 pm by scawsby steve »
What a load of rubbish.

I'll tell you what a load of rubbish is, BST, 6 f*cking points out of 42, and not in League 1, where Fergie had his collapse, but in the bottom tier.

None of those mesters you mentioned would have accepted that, but will Copps and DS sign those kind of players next season? I don't think so, because Copps seems fixated on playing the fluent footballing style that he was part of under SOD.

It won't work in League 2, nor will he and DS be able to attract players to the club that can play like that. 

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #34 on April 23, 2023, 08:32:24 pm by Barmby Rover »
Depends which manager we get in. I cant accept Schofield will still be here.

Surely the same question applies to managers too if you want to pose the question. Perhaps DS is going to stay simply because nobody else will put up with the underfunding being offered to build a team. Afetr all, we have to remain "sustainable"!

Campsall rover

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #35 on April 23, 2023, 10:47:34 pm by Campsall rover »
What a load of rubbish.

I'll tell you what a load of rubbish is, BST, 6 f*cking points out of 42, and not in League 1, where Fergie had his collapse, but in the bottom tier.

None of those mesters you mentioned would have accepted that, but will Copps and DS sign those kind of players next season? I don't think so, because Copps seems fixated on playing the fluent footballing style that he was part of under SOD.

It won't work in League 2, nor will he and DS be able to attract players to the club that can play like that.
Bang on SS
If Copps thinks we are going to unearth a Stock, Wellens, Roberts, O’Connor, Mills, Sharp or a re incarnation of himself then he is living in cloud cuckoo land.

We need a Foster, Albrighton, Ryan, Doolan, Fortune-West
That’s what will get us out of this league.
Those type of players are out there and we need 4/5 of them next season but we need a Manager also who can set the team up to attack and score goals.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #36 on April 24, 2023, 02:08:05 pm by ncRover »
This question does worry me.

We have a bigger budget for next year. But, if we look at say the best players from smaller league 2 clubs they will have attracted attention from other bigger clubs such as Bradford and Stockport if they are any good.

If you were a star performer at a Colchester / Harrogate / Sutton and had identical wage offers from Doncaster, Bradford and Stockport. When would you ever choose Doncaster?

Stevenage turned it around in the summer, but they weren’t recruiting for a particularly hard to recruit for style. And they have a manager with promotions on his CV.

It’s a harder job for an already intellectually challenged recruitment team (sorry just facts based on recent evidence).
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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #37 on April 24, 2023, 02:27:03 pm by normal rules »
Plenty of players in the conf who are at teams that just won’t make it this season promo wise. The playoffs in the conf are a very ideal hunting ground for talent . There will be just the sort of players there that we need . Physical determined experienced . If notts county or chesterfield don’t make it I’d expect our recruiters to be all over them for signings . I won’t hold my breath
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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #38 on April 24, 2023, 02:36:20 pm by pib »
Ben Whiteman type needed. We obviously won't get anyone with his ability, but he was clearly a standard-setter.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #39 on April 24, 2023, 02:48:44 pm by ncRover »
Plenty of players in the conf who are at teams that just won’t make it this season promo wise. The playoffs in the conf are a very ideal hunting ground for talent . There will be just the sort of players there that we need . Physical determined experienced . If notts county or chesterfield don’t make it I’d expect our recruiters to be all over them for signings . I won’t hold my breath

Physical and determined from the conference yes, but experience would have to come from perhaps someone dropping down from L1 level. That or experience from the Scottish Premiership.

But yes, players stepping up from non-league would not take it for granted signing for Rovers and would give it 100% more than a Ben Close. Woking, Boreham Wood players etc.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #40 on April 24, 2023, 06:58:02 pm by Alan Southstand »
I would like a Sullivan-type first, before signing anyone else. Then we need much better quality in midfield and hard working, physical front man. Then:

2 full backs
Right sided speed merchant

With something like 7, 8 or 9 players leaving, it’s a good time to breathe some life into the first team.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #41 on April 25, 2023, 12:06:11 am by ForsolongaRover »
It is surprising that we have not heard more from those who are sympathetic to Schofield. His success depends totally on good close season recruitment. BST made suggestions which made sense in terms of the qualities, but when challenged over how the type of player he had in mind would get on within the strictures of The Process and the leadership style of the HC, his response was to dismiss the comments as “Rubbish”.

Schofield’s key drawback is his unwavering intransigence and his naive deflection of criticism away from himself, a trait which reveals his fundamental lack of basic management skill.

Surely good recruitment is key to their man’s future and the difficulties getting good players in will be a massive headache facing the club in its plan for the grand revival.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #42 on April 25, 2023, 03:39:17 am by Sammy Chung was King »
We need a mixture of players. For me we need a very experienced, dominant of his box goalkeeper. We need a centre piece in that centre back position that always seems to win the headers and always be in the right place.
A younger quicker centre back or backs at the side of him. Energetic full back/wing backs that are good on the ball but can defend as well.

Also someone who wins the ball back quickly and gives it to the better players. We need energy and enterprise in the midfield and movement. We need a goal threat in there. Wingers that can cross a ball and strikers that move and can finish. We need a competitive, mixed age squad that work together and won’t be beaten.

ncRover

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #43 on April 25, 2023, 07:50:16 am by ncRover »
 :P
We need a mixture of players. For me we need a very experienced, dominant of his box goalkeeper. We need a centre piece in that centre back position that always seems to win the headers and always be in the right place.
A younger quicker centre back or backs at the side of him. Energetic full back/wing backs that are good on the ball but can defend as well.

Also someone who wins the ball back quickly and gives it to the better players. We need energy and enterprise in the midfield and movement. We need a goal threat in there. Wingers that can cross a ball and strikers that move and can finish. We need a competitive, mixed age squad that work together and won’t be beaten.

The worry is that Schofield goes for the opposite of what you are saying and recruits for his attempted 5-2-3 total football:

- He may prioritise goalkeepers and defenders based on their comfort on the ball. Which is all well and good but the ability to defend set pieces / long throws is the basic requirement first.

- Wing backs who can’t play well in a back 4 if Schofield gets sacked in October.

- Crossing ability perhaps won’t be prioritised for wingers as they need to come inside to allow space for wing backs.

I pray Maxwell’s comment about a 4-4-2 wanting to be implemented in the pre-season are true but I don’t believe it. Recruitment based on that formation is easier.
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Campsall rover

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #44 on April 25, 2023, 08:58:18 am by Campsall rover »
We need a mixture of players. For me we need a very experienced, dominant of his box goalkeeper. We need a centre piece in that centre back position that always seems to win the headers and always be in the right place.
A younger quicker centre back or backs at the side of him. Energetic full back/wing backs that are good on the ball but can defend as well.

Also someone who wins the ball back quickly and gives it to the better players. We need energy and enterprise in the midfield and movement. We need a goal threat in there. Wingers that can cross a ball and strikers that move and can finish. We need a competitive, mixed age squad that work together and won’t be beaten.
If we get all of them and a proper Manager we will get 100 points next season SCWK.
Just seen another pig fly over Campsall.  :)

We can always dream though.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #45 on April 25, 2023, 09:15:59 am by Campsall rover »
If i was a player and had a choice of going to either Bradford City, Stockport, Salford, Mansfield, Carlisle or Doncaster ( assuming non of those teams go up ) with same wages on offer who would I choose?

Seriously do I want to play for Hughes, Challinor, Woods, Clough, Simpson or Schofield?

Which Club looks the most ambitious, which club has a Manager with a CV with success on it, which manager plays attacking exciting football and which Club has got a positive vibe throughout the Club?

I know which one of those 6 clubs I wouldn’t choose.

Copps has got one hell of a sales job to do on potential recruits  this summer.
Understatement.   ;)





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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #46 on April 25, 2023, 09:51:27 am by idler »
If Copps as head of football identifies strong characters and brings them in I imagine they will have to play whether Schofield is comfortable with them in the dressing room or not.
I'm sure that Copps, Gavin and Terry will have discussed what is required mentally and physically of new signings. Obviously DS has input but who has the final say?

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #47 on April 25, 2023, 10:13:23 am by ForsolongaRover »
If Copps as head of football identifies strong characters and brings them in I imagine they will have to play whether Schofield is comfortable with them in the dressing room or not.
I'm sure that Copps, Gavin and Terry will have discussed what is required mentally and physically of new signings. Obviously DS has input but who has the final say?

The problem is that Copps actually said in one of his interviews that DS has the final say on transferees. I would be much less concerned if Copps had taken the managerial role, but from how Schofield speaks (and acts) - never even mentioning Copps - I don’t think you could deduce that Copps even has an active mentoring role.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #48 on April 25, 2023, 10:55:50 am by Canadian Rover »
We need to strengthen our qualities in the dugout, between the sticks. I would like to see a change in the boardroom too with DB but I think the manager and goalkeeper are huge priorities to effect results on the pitch.

Both GK & DS have got the position they are so bad that we feel sorry for them as human beings.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #49 on April 25, 2023, 11:00:59 am by ncRover »
Gary Woods’ contract is expiring…  :lol:

For pace I liked the boy Neufville at Sutton on loan from Luton. Caused us problems in that home fixture.

Daly from Woking is quick and direct highly rated too.

We need a proper winger.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #50 on April 25, 2023, 11:26:20 am by Campsall rover »
Mitchell has only been poor this last 2 months.
The stick he is getting is not imo justified. Yes his distribution is shocking. Who tells him to play it out short?

How many of the others in the team are playing well. How many mistakes are they all making.

Singling out Mitchell and making him the scapegoat is very harsh.
It is what DF did with Stuckmann & now our supporters are killing Mitchell
Is it any wonder he is playing like a nervous schoolboy. His confidence must be absolutely shattered playing in this team and for this Coach.

Short memories here. He has made some fantastic saves this season.
Won us more points than he has lost, that’s for sure up to late February.
Playing in this team has killed him as it has all the others.

Blame Schofield he is in charge. He is setting the team up and telling the players what he wants. He is supposed to be the motivator.

I despair at times. Goalkeepers always carry the can don’t they. Well it is out of order. There are 11 players in the team.

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« Reply #51 on April 25, 2023, 12:04:24 pm by TheFunk »
Mitchell has got noticeably much worse since dislocating his shoulder. Before he was very confident about catching crosses. Since then he has started attempting what are dreadful punches. Personally I believe he has lost his nerve and is worried that if he catches with both hands he won't be able to break his fall.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #52 on April 25, 2023, 12:17:30 pm by RugbyRover »
I would love to see Mitchell sign a long term contract.




so long as it's with one of our competitors.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #53 on April 25, 2023, 12:22:46 pm by NickDRFC »
Mitchell’s not good enough, it’s pretty simple in my opinion. Even when we were doing OK data was shared showing that he wasn’t up to it and made too many mistakes but it was ignored by many because he makes some good saves, which all goalkeepers can make. The increase in frequency in mistakes could be down to low confidence but he’s far too prone, confidence high or otherwise, so if he’s still here next year I hope it’s as number two at best.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #54 on April 25, 2023, 12:53:16 pm by ncRover »
Camps

For any style of football, the goalkeeper needs to have his throwing and kicking distribution up to professional standard.

In the recent Northampton game, their goalie was hitting it long perfectly to the physical striker up top. Mitchell couldn’t do that, more likely to find someone in the dugout.

If we played in a counter attacking style, he wouldn’t have the speed of thought or vision to pick a breaking player out with a throw.

Even in terms of pure shot stopping, statistically speaking there are 20 goalkeepers better than him in the league.

I’m amazed at how you can continue to defend him.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #55 on April 25, 2023, 01:19:25 pm by Campsall rover »
Camps

For any style of football, the goalkeeper needs to have his throwing and kicking distribution up to professional standard.

In the recent Northampton game, their goalie was hitting it long perfectly to the physical striker up top. Mitchell couldn’t do that, more likely to find someone in the dugout.

If we played in a counter attacking style, he wouldn’t have the speed of thought or vision to pick a breaking player out with a throw.

Even in terms of pure shot stopping, statistically speaking there are 20 goalkeepers better than him in the league.

I’m amazed at how you can continue to defend him.
He is told to kick it out to the wings though isn’t he.  We don’t have a physical striker for him to aim at.

Look I am just saying he is not the only player sub standard up in the team. He is making alarming mistakes
That’s due to lacking in confidence.
DS has turned the whole lot of them into wrecks.
We play without a credible plan. The players are confused. Their confidence and belief has totally been blown out of the window.
Mitchell’s mistakes are magnified because he is the last line of defence. No I am not defending him ncRover,
I am just pointing out that he isn’t the only one messing up that’s all.
I agree his distribution is a big problem and has always been a problem since he signed.
Why it’s not been sorted, well we need to ask DS and Bennett the keeper coach.

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« Reply #56 on April 25, 2023, 01:24:56 pm by Campsall rover »
Mitchell has got noticeably much worse since dislocating his shoulder. Before he was very confident about catching crosses. Since then he has started attempting what are dreadful punches. Personally I believe he has lost his nerve and is worried that if he catches with both hands he won't be able to break his fall.
Think there could be something in that.

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« Reply #57 on April 25, 2023, 01:28:24 pm by 5minstogo »
Slightly aside from this, I wish they'd mix the goalkicks up a bit. Now we're going a bit longer its just a punt up to Faulkner on halfway, the oppos have cottoned on to this so it just comes back again.

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Re: Who will want to come to Rovers in the close season?
« Reply #58 on April 25, 2023, 02:43:48 pm by ravenrover »
Just tell me who Mitchell should be trying to aim for? We have nothing up front to win the ball down the middle so he has to kick to the wings, if he gets it wrong it's out of play if he gets it right it's at the best 50 - 50 that we win it.
The last game I saw Faulkener was pushing up wide right in an attempt to win the header, a bloody centre back!!!

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« Reply #59 on April 25, 2023, 02:51:32 pm by moses »
Just tell me who Mitchell should be trying to aim for? We have nothing up front to win the ball down the middle so he has to kick to the wings, if he gets it wrong it's out of play if he gets it right it's at the best 50 - 50 that we win it.
The last game I saw Faulkener was pushing up wide right in an attempt to win the header, a bloody centre back!!!

Faulkner started pushing up for the goal kicks in the Harrogate game. He does always seem to be under it though and the Newport player blocked him by the second/third one as they had read it.

 

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