Why has Sunak changed Tory Green Policies?

[ravenrover]

We have never seen so many houses up for sale in our village than in the last 6 months, the problem is people aren't buying

[BillyStubbsTears]

If all this new information was known and viable why was the original route to net zero so different?

what has changed?

I'm not sure if they have internet on the moon but,

Cost of living crisis, war in Europe, inflation through the roof, mortgage rates quadrupled and a sense of misery and foreboding at what's to come next.

Some of us WERE warning back in 2010 of the consequences of electing a Government that was going to chuck standard economic theory out the window and CHOOSE to grind down wages for half a generation.  THAT is the reason for the air of despondency. Not that the problems we face today are insurmountable. They aren't, and they are no bigger than problems that every generation for the previous century has faced. The problem today is that we are facing these issues after a decade and a half of CHOOSING to impoverish ourselves, because too many people listened to a bunch of glib, entitled public schoolboys who neither knew, nor really cared how badly they were going to damage the country.

No hindsight in that. Anyone who knew their onions knew that was coming at the time.

Have YOU been impoverished this last decade and a half, i know plenty who haven't.

Stop making this about individuals. Look at the nationwide figures.

We've had the longest period of depressed average real wages since the Napoleonic Wars.

That's not up for debate. It's a fact, regardless of individual cases.

[danumdon]

If all this new information was known and viable why was the original route to net zero so different?

what has changed?

I'm not sure if they have internet on the moon but,

Cost of living crisis, war in Europe, inflation through the roof, mortgage rates quadrupled and a sense of misery and foreboding at what's to come next.

Some of us WERE warning back in 2010 of the consequences of electing a Government that was going to chuck standard economic theory out the window and CHOOSE to grind down wages for half a generation.  THAT is the reason for the air of despondency. Not that the problems we face today are insurmountable. They aren't, and they are no bigger than problems that every generation for the previous century has faced. The problem today is that we are facing these issues after a decade and a half of CHOOSING to impoverish ourselves, because too many people listened to a bunch of glib, entitled public schoolboys who neither knew, nor really cared how badly they were going to damage the country.

No hindsight in that. Anyone who knew their onions knew that was coming at the time.

Have YOU been impoverished this last decade and a half, i know plenty who haven't.

Stop making this about individuals. Look at the nationwide figures.

We've had the longest period of depressed average real wages since the Napoleonic Wars.

That's not up for debate. It's a fact, regardless of individual cases.

Just asked you a straight question BST, if you can't or won't answer it then others will take from that what they think.

As for "average wages" they don't actually exist except in the minds of people trying to make a point fit their take on it.

[SydneyRover]

''Average weekly earnings in Great Britain: May 2022

Estimates of growth in earnings for employees before tax and other deductions from pay''

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/averageweeklyearningsingreatbritain/may2022#:~:text=It%20is%20calculated%20using%20information,9%2C000%20employers%20in%20Great%20Britain.

must be a figment ......

[albie]

Sunak has been quietly reversing environmental policies for a while, under a cloak of media disregard.

Peter Oborne writes about one such change with significant implications;
https://bylinetimes.com/2023/09/11/government-changes-to-uks-emissions-trading-scheme-more-evidence-of-sunak-abandoning-the-green-project/

The danger is always that these matters of detail are not reported or understood, and just become part of the accepted background.

[danumdon]

''Average weekly earnings in Great Britain: May 2022

Estimates of growth in earnings for employees before tax and other deductions from pay''

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/averageweeklyearningsingreatbritain/may2022#:~:text=It%20is%20calculated%20using%20information,9%2C000%20employers%20in%20Great%20Britain.

must be a figment ......

This is the useful bit in the example,

The estimates in this bulletin come from a survey of businesses. It is not possible to survey every business each month, so these statistics are estimates based on a sample, not precise figures. Estimates are based on all employees on company payrolls, including those who have been furloughed under the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (CJRS).

Proves my point exactly.

[SydneyRover]

''Average weekly earnings in Great Britain: May 2022

Estimates of growth in earnings for employees before tax and other deductions from pay''

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/averageweeklyearningsingreatbritain/may2022#:~:text=It%20is%20calculated%20using%20information,9%2C000%20employers%20in%20Great%20Britain.

must be a figment ......

This is the useful bit in the example,

The estimates in this bulletin come from a survey of businesses. It is not possible to survey every business each month, so these statistics are estimates based on a sample, not precise figures. Estimates are based on all employees on company payrolls, including those who have been furloughed under the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (CJRS).

Proves my point exactly.

''As for "average wages" they don't actually exist except in the minds of people trying to make a point fit their take on it''

I guess all those businesses that take part in the survey are ''people trying to make a point fit their take on it'' then DD, can I get you a bigger spade?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

''Average weekly earnings in Great Britain: May 2022

Estimates of growth in earnings for employees before tax and other deductions from pay''

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/averageweeklyearningsingreatbritain/may2022#:~:text=It%20is%20calculated%20using%20information,9%2C000%20employers%20in%20Great%20Britain.

must be a figment ......

This is the useful bit in the example,

The estimates in this bulletin come from a survey of businesses. It is not possible to survey every business each month, so these statistics are estimates based on a sample, not precise figures. Estimates are based on all employees on company payrolls, including those who have been furloughed under the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (CJRS).

Proves my point exactly.

''As for "average wages" they don't actually exist except in the minds of people trying to make a point fit their take on it''

I guess all those businesses that take part in the survey are ''people trying to make a point fit their take on it'' then DD, can I get you a bigger spade?

The surveys aren't great though, they don't take into account many variables so they are just a high level best set of data.

That's the same for many of the ons surveys and they're only as good as the data people add, which usually is high level and not wholly detailed.

[SydneyRover]

Appreciate that pud, but it's the only data used and available, therefore unless anyone is suggesting the data is rigged (or doesn't exist) then it should show the rises and falls which are indicative of what is happening out there, which should be a reasonably useful metric, wouldn't you agree?

[BillyStubbsTears]

If all this new information was known and viable why was the original route to net zero so different?

what has changed?

I'm not sure if they have internet on the moon but,

Cost of living crisis, war in Europe, inflation through the roof, mortgage rates quadrupled and a sense of misery and foreboding at what's to come next.

Some of us WERE warning back in 2010 of the consequences of electing a Government that was going to chuck standard economic theory out the window and CHOOSE to grind down wages for half a generation.  THAT is the reason for the air of despondency. Not that the problems we face today are insurmountable. They aren't, and they are no bigger than problems that every generation for the previous century has faced. The problem today is that we are facing these issues after a decade and a half of CHOOSING to impoverish ourselves, because too many people listened to a bunch of glib, entitled public schoolboys who neither knew, nor really cared how badly they were going to damage the country.

No hindsight in that. Anyone who knew their onions knew that was coming at the time.

Have YOU been impoverished this last decade and a half, i know plenty who haven't.

Stop making this about individuals. Look at the nationwide figures.

We've had the longest period of depressed average real wages since the Napoleonic Wars.

That's not up for debate. It's a fact, regardless of individual cases.

Just asked you a straight question BST, if you can't or won't answer it then others will take from that what they think.

As for "average wages" they don't actually exist except in the minds of people trying to make a point fit their take on it.

And with that, there's really no point discussing anything more with you.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting.

Sunak made a song and dance last week about the deadline for phasing out ICE cars being pushed back to 2035.

The Govt has today issued guidelines for what proportion of total sales of cars can be ICE each year from 2024-2035.

Scroll down to Table 1 here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/a-zero-emission-vehicle-zev-mandate-and-co2-emissions-regulation-for-new-cars-and-vans-in-the-uk/outcome/zero-emission-vehicle-zev-mandate-consultation-summary-of-responses-and-joint-government-response#overview-of-response

So the big change was:

We were going to go from 22% non ICE cars next year to 100% by 2030.

Now it's going from 22% next year to 80% by 2030.

Not really that big a change. Which is sensible. But it shows the state of the Tory party that
a) it had to be trumpeted as Sunak standing up to the Woke Blob and
b) He's now got Tory MPs complaining that the delay is meaningless.

[River Don]

It's obvious now that Sunak is painting himself as the friend of the car driver whilst painting Labour as anti cars.

[SydneyRover]

''Sunak expected to limit powers of councils in England to curb car use
Exclusive: Potential plan to restrict measures such as 20mph speed limits and levying fines from traffic cameras alarms travel groups''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/rishi-sunak-expected-to-limit-powers-of-councils-in-england-to-curb-car-use-20mph-speed-limit-traffic-camera-fines

Rule by private polling I guess

[BillyStubbsTears]

I feel for Sunak a little bit.

He's intelligent enough to know what we have to do as a country on moving to zero Carbon.

But he leads a party full of head f**ks who need to be thrown red meat telling them that saving the f**king world is a left wing plot.

[SydneyRover]

A safe bet would be that car companies are lobbying and topping up the coffers.

[ncRover]

Nissan have announced their new cars will be all electric by 2030.

Albie says new electric cars will be far cheaper in the coming years.

It’s lefty brain to think that the government needs to ban or allow everything for it to be so.