Israel

[wilts rover]

It is not the responsibility of your enemy to provide you with water, medicine fuel etc.

Preventing medical aid & supplies to civilians is a war crime. As is deliberately targetting civilian populations.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/20/1206157206/israel-hamas-war-crimes-international-law-geneva-convention

[albie]

Neither Sunak nor Starmer can bring themselves to call for a ceasefire, followed by an exchange of hostages.

It is so clear that this needs to happen, yet neither has the integrity to admit it.
The latest diversion is a "humanitarian pause", where there is a temporary halt, then resume hostilities once a bit more aid gets in.

There is an obvious moral vacuum at the heart of UK politics, where these charlatans jockey for position without ethical consideration.

Both factions of the uniparty are unfit for office.

[wilts rover]

The current conflict offers a "unique and rare opportunity" for the “relocation and final settlement (into Egypt) of the entire Gaza population.” - Misgav Institute for National Security & Zionist Strategy.

Palestinians in Gaza should be displaced from Gaza to the Sinai & 'other countries' and a “sterile zone”, several kilometers wide established within Egypt.

From a secret leaked report drawn up by the Israeli Intelligence Ministry.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/?utm_content=buffera2434&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer

[BobG]

f**king Israelis....

f**king Arthur Balfour

f**king Hamas, Hezbollah.

When, if, they all learn to talk, this would be far, far more likely to be resolved.

Anyone know any good teachers out there?

BobG

[Sprotyrover]

The current conflict offers a "unique and rare opportunity" for the “relocation and final settlement (into Egypt) of the entire Gaza population.” - Misgav Institute for National Security & Zionist Strategy.

Palestinians in Gaza should be displaced from Gaza to the Sinai & 'other countries' and a “sterile zone”, several kilometers wide established within Egypt.

From a secret leaked report drawn up by the Israeli Intelligence Ministry.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/?utm_content=buffera2434&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer

There are several weird and somewhat bizarre elements of the Jewish Israeli Population, the summer months prior to 7 October saw a very extreme element seemingly start to wholly take over the Goverment, it got that bad that many moderate Isrealis didn't want to be there anymore ! I would hope that the unification of the Government will lead to a more moderate approach, probably spurred on by Bidens Billions $.

[glosterred]

It is not the responsibility of your enemy to provide you with water, medicine fuel etc.

Preventing medical aid & supplies to civilians is a war crime. As is deliberately targetting civilian populations.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/20/1206157206/israel-hamas-war-crimes-international-law-geneva-convention

As the boarder between Gaza and Egypt is open and aid is moving through, however slowly, medical aid can get in

[BobG]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

[Bristol Red Rover]

I see Israel has started attacking the West Bank and Syria. This seems an unnecessary and very dangerous escalation to me.

They will be preemptive strikes, I guarantee that a mouse fart won’t go unnoticed in that part of the world with all of the surveillance technology in operation!

Two weeks ago the largest terrorist raid in history was missed by the best intelligence force in the world.

I guarantee your surveillance technology can't see hundreds of yards underground.

Israel knew about coming attacks. They were told by Egypt for one. It doesn't add up, they would never have thought "ah well, see what happens".

I think the bigger picture is Netanyahu and others wanted this to save themselves,  lay down their name in history, have an opportunity to expand Israeli territory further, gain more support, arms,  money, from the US and others. Kinda obvious really.

So what?
My post was in response to someone saying how good the Israeli surveillance is by pointing out their massive failure. If you are going to reply at least keep it relevant and on topic.

Your point included that Israel's intelligence was poor. I suggested that it wasn't, it knew full well what was being planned,  probably even the date,  and Israel kept its forces laxed and away from any Hamas attack so that it could try for the butchery it is currently dishing out. Plus supporting the wider aim of gaining international back up, money, arms,  political support. Makes sense don't you think? And very much related to what you said.

[Ldr]

I’m curious, given the ferocity with which certain posters have hammered the point that conservative voters have to share responsibility for this governments actions and that brexiteers have to hold their hands up to how the country is fairing since brexit how they feel about the Palestinians who voted to put Hamas in power in Gaza in 2007?

[Sprotyrover]

I’m curious, given the ferocity with which certain posters have hammered the point that conservative voters have to share responsibility for this governments actions and that brexiteers have to hold their hands up to how the country is fairing since brexit how they feel about the Palestinians who voted to put Hamas in power in Gaza in 2007?

That’s a very good point, what about the folks who clearly were aware of Hamas digging up miles of newly laid water pipes to make missiles by saying nothing they are complicit in their own fate!

[SydneyRover]

Any proof where the pipe came from sprot?

[Sprotyrover]

Any proof where the pipe came from sprot?

Hamas boasted it could use EU-funded pipelines to attack Israel
184,085 views · 2 weeks ago#Hamas #Gaza #Israel
...more
You tube fro Daily Telegraph

[SydneyRover]

If it's in the tele it must be true

[BillyStubbsTears]

I’m curious, given the ferocity with which certain posters have hammered the point that conservative voters have to share responsibility for this governments actions and that brexiteers have to hold their hands up to how the country is fairing since brexit how they feel about the Palestinians who voted to put Hamas in power in Gaza in 2007?

That's rather stretching a comparison.

Your analogy would work if David Cameron had narrowly won an election in 2006 with nothing close to a majority of votes. Then there'd been a bloody civil war between Labour and Tory supporters which Cameron's side won. Then all subsequent elections were cancelled and Cameron's party ruled as a military dictatorship. And folk on here said when things went wrong in 2023, it was the fault of the entire population because of the vote in 2006.

[Ldr]

I’m curious, given the ferocity with which certain posters have hammered the point that conservative voters have to share responsibility for this governments actions and that brexiteers have to hold their hands up to how the country is fairing since brexit how they feel about the Palestinians who voted to put Hamas in power in Gaza in 2007?

That's rather stretching a comparison.

Your analogy would work if David Cameron had narrowly won an election in 2006 with nothing close to a majority of votes. Then there'd been a bloody civil war between Labour and Tory supporters which Cameron's side won. Then all subsequent elections were cancelled and Cameron's party ruled as a military dictatorship. And folk on here said when things went wrong in 2023, it was the fault of the entire population because of the vote in 2006.

Stretching or not, it’s a valid question, if you reap what you sow

[drfchound]

If it's in the tele it must be true

Unlike your favourite rag then Syd?

[glosterred]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

One of the reasons why there is a lack of fuel for the hospitals is because Hamas stole it

https://twitter.com/SBarrettBar/status/1717262010918821954

Maybe instead of blaming Israel some should look closer to home for the reason

[Bristol Red Rover]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

One of the reasons why there is a lack of fuel for the hospitals is because Hamas stole it

https://twitter.com/SBarrettBar/status/1717262010918821954

Maybe instead of blaming Israel some should look closer to home for the reason

Or maybe focus on the fact that Israeli Jews stole Palestinian land? Deflecting on such minor points like you did is blithely regurgitating the propaganda of a murderous colonial apartheid regime.

[Bristol Red Rover]

I’m curious, given the ferocity with which certain posters have hammered the point that conservative voters have to share responsibility for this governments actions and that brexiteers have to hold their hands up to how the country is fairing since brexit how they feel about the Palestinians who voted to put Hamas in power in Gaza in 2007?

You call that a comparison? Israel took Palestinian land, has murdered and imprisoned a great many of its population, has ghettoised most of the rest, has made them second class citizens in their home land. You think they should sit back and take it? Would you if your home was broken into, you were forced to live in a shed in your garden whilst they had the house, they chose when you could have power for your stove and light bulb,  your child had been shot, your wife raped, you were working for a fraction of the wages of your captors, and then frequently laid off, your shed now just bulldozed coz your captors want a fish pond just there, but there's a spot in the far corner of the garden where they'll let you build another shed from the scraps of the old one, and then they throw rocks at that smashing  in your roof, breaking the skull of your other child, etc etc.

If you're making a comparison, do open your eyes first.

[Ldr]

I’m curious, given the ferocity with which certain posters have hammered the point that conservative voters have to share responsibility for this governments actions and that brexiteers have to hold their hands up to how the country is fairing since brexit how they feel about the Palestinians who voted to put Hamas in power in Gaza in 2007?

You call that a comparison? Israel took Palestinian land, has murdered and imprisoned a great many of its population, has ghettoised most of the rest, has made them second class citizens in their home land. You think they should sit back and take it? Would you if your home was broken into, you were forced to live in a shed in your garden whilst they had the house, they chose when you could have power for your stove and light bulb,  your child had been shot, your wife raped, you were working for a fraction of the wages of your captors, and then frequently laid off, your shed now just bulldozed coz your captors want a fish pond just there, but there's a spot in the far corner of the garden where they'll let you build another shed from the scraps of the old one, and then they throw rocks at that smashing  in your roof, breaking the skull of your other child, etc etc.

If you're making a comparison, do open your eyes first.

Dunno, maybe I should ask a Ukrainian?

[glosterred]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

One of the reasons why there is a lack of fuel for the hospitals is because Hamas stole it

https://twitter.com/SBarrettBar/status/1717262010918821954

Maybe instead of blaming Israel some should look closer to home for the reason

Or maybe focus on the fact that Israeli Jews stole Palestinian land? Deflecting on such minor points like you did is blithely regurgitating the propaganda of a murderous colonial apartheid regime.

Once again you miss the point and blow smoke to obscure the truth when you’ve nothing better to say

[Bristol Red Rover]

I’m curious, given the ferocity with which certain posters have hammered the point that conservative voters have to share responsibility for this governments actions and that brexiteers have to hold their hands up to how the country is fairing since brexit how they feel about the Palestinians who voted to put Hamas in power in Gaza in 2007?

You call that a comparison? Israel took Palestinian land, has murdered and imprisoned a great many of its population, has ghettoised most of the rest, has made them second class citizens in their home land. You think they should sit back and take it? Would you if your home was broken into, you were forced to live in a shed in your garden whilst they had the house, they chose when you could have power for your stove and light bulb,  your child had been shot, your wife raped, you were working for a fraction of the wages of your captors, and then frequently laid off, your shed now just bulldozed coz your captors want a fish pond just there, but there's a spot in the far corner of the garden where they'll let you build another shed from the scraps of the old one, and then they throw rocks at that smashing  in your roof, breaking the skull of your other child, etc etc.

If you're making a comparison, do open your eyes first.

Dunno, maybe I should ask a Ukrainian?

That reply justifies what I said. Poor show.

[Bristol Red Rover]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

One of the reasons why there is a lack of fuel for the hospitals is because Hamas stole it

https://twitter.com/SBarrettBar/status/1717262010918821954

Maybe instead of blaming Israel some should look closer to home for the reason

Or maybe focus on the fact that Israeli Jews stole Palestinian land? Deflecting on such minor points like you did is blithely regurgitating the propaganda of a murderous colonial apartheid regime.

Once again you miss the point and blow smoke to obscure the truth when you’ve nothing better to say

What is the point?

[glosterred]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

One of the reasons why there is a lack of fuel for the hospitals is because Hamas stole it

https://twitter.com/SBarrettBar/status/1717262010918821954

Maybe instead of blaming Israel some should look closer to home for the reason

Or maybe focus on the fact that Israeli Jews stole Palestinian land? Deflecting on such minor points like you did is blithely regurgitating the propaganda of a murderous colonial apartheid regime.

Once again you miss the point and blow smoke to obscure the truth when you’ve nothing better to say

What is the point?

If you read the post you’d realise that the point of the post is that the fuel was stolen by Hamas, therefore there would be fuel to power the hospital if they hadn’t. But you knew that you like to blow smoke with a whole load of whatifary

Plus this

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1716884494131868138

But I don’t expect you to believe it because of the source of the information but I’ll post it anyway.

[wilts rover]

It is not the responsibility of your enemy to provide you with water, medicine fuel etc.

Preventing medical aid & supplies to civilians is a war crime. As is deliberately targetting civilian populations.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/20/1206157206/israel-hamas-war-crimes-international-law-geneva-convention

As the boarder between Gaza and Egypt is open and aid is moving through, however slowly, medical aid can get in

Is it? And has medical aid been allowed in?

[wilts rover]

I’m curious, given the ferocity with which certain posters have hammered the point that conservative voters have to share responsibility for this governments actions and that brexiteers have to hold their hands up to how the country is fairing since brexit how they feel about the Palestinians who voted to put Hamas in power in Gaza in 2007?

Dunno. What did the people who voted the conservatives into power say about this governent's action?
From memory some of them have never critisised this government. And the reply form others has been 'But Labour'.

Bit weird conflating the two tho. And bombs and missiles dont differentiate between pro and anti Hamas Palestinians.

[wilts rover]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

One of the reasons why there is a lack of fuel for the hospitals is because Hamas stole it

https://twitter.com/SBarrettBar/status/1717262010918821954

Maybe instead of blaming Israel some should look closer to home for the reason

Or maybe focus on the fact that Israeli Jews stole Palestinian land? Deflecting on such minor points like you did is blithely regurgitating the propaganda of a murderous colonial apartheid regime.

Once again you miss the point and blow smoke to obscure the truth when you’ve nothing better to say

What is the point?

If you read the post you’d realise that the point of the post is that the fuel was stolen by Hamas, therefore there would be fuel to power the hospital if they hadn’t. But you knew that you like to blow smoke with a whole load of whatifary

Plus this

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1716884494131868138

But I don’t expect you to believe it because of the source of the information but I’ll post it anyway.

Clearly you have checked the accuracy of this post before posting it as true?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-claims-of-fuel-tanks-held-by-hamas-lie-gaza-government/3032504

[glosterred]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

One of the reasons why there is a lack of fuel for the hospitals is because Hamas stole it

https://twitter.com/SBarrettBar/status/1717262010918821954

Maybe instead of blaming Israel some should look closer to home for the reason

Or maybe focus on the fact that Israeli Jews stole Palestinian land? Deflecting on such minor points like you did is blithely regurgitating the propaganda of a murderous colonial apartheid regime.

Once again you miss the point and blow smoke to obscure the truth when you’ve nothing better to say

What is the point?

If you read the post you’d realise that the point of the post is that the fuel was stolen by Hamas, therefore there would be fuel to power the hospital if they hadn’t. But you knew that you like to blow smoke with a whole load of whatifary

Plus this

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1716884494131868138

But I don’t expect you to believe it because of the source of the information but I’ll post it anyway.

Clearly you have checked the accuracy of this post before posting it as true?

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israeli-claims-of-fuel-tanks-held-by-hamas-lie-gaza-government/3032504

So Hamas are saying they’re not full, yep I’ll believe that then. But you’ve not challenged my point that Hamas stole fuel for hospitals from the UNRWA

Let’s face it Hamas aren’t particularly good at telling the truth

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1717545562893947218

[Bristol Red Rover]

But for almost 2 weeks it couldn't. And even now it is only a trickle. Seen the hospitals shutting down for lack of fuel? It was, and still is, a war crime.

40% of the 6,000 Palestinians killed so far are children. With Israel possessing plenty of American precision guided weapons how do you account for that Gloster? Can't they set the dials straight? Looks mighty like indiscriminate killing to me. Sort of like carpet bombing really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67223273

Makes you think the animals in Hamas are more than matched by the animals in Israel. Doesn't Israel portray itself as civilised...?

BobG

One of the reasons why there is a lack of fuel for the hospitals is because Hamas stole it

https://twitter.com/SBarrettBar/status/1717262010918821954

Maybe instead of blaming Israel some should look closer to home for the reason

Or maybe focus on the fact that Israeli Jews stole Palestinian land? Deflecting on such minor points like you did is blithely regurgitating the propaganda of a murderous colonial apartheid regime.

Once again you miss the point and blow smoke to obscure the truth when you’ve nothing better to say

What is the point?

If you read the post you’d realise that the point of the post is that the fuel was stolen by Hamas, therefore there would be fuel to power the hospital if they hadn’t. But you knew that you like to blow smoke with a whole load of whatifary

Plus this

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1716884494131868138

But I don’t expect you to believe it because of the source of the information but I’ll post it anyway.

Not whatifery. The land was stolen by Zionists, its a fact. Tho I think you meant whataboutery,  in which case you missed my point which is that you're getting caught in faffing around with minuti. Israel in particular is very good at distracting from the main point, the root cause, the problem they flatly refuse to  acknowledge - they have stolen land, they are abusers, they are hipocrites of the very worst and twisted kind.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I naively hoped that the article in this link would make people stop and think.

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=289088.msg1264038#msg1264038

But of course, people don't want to stop and think about such an impossible situation. They want the certainty that they are right and the other side wrong.

And so it goes...