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Absolutely surely the leader of the opposition should have police protection?Solid speech aswell. He's not box office but that's not a bad thing.
I was wondering why it wasn’t orange powder!
I've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2023, 10:47:40 amI've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.You mean you'll have the power to change absolutely nothing .Keith really is the idol of wishful thinkers .
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 14, 2023, 11:28:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2023, 10:47:40 amI've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.You mean you'll have the power to change absolutely nothing .Keith really is the idol of wishful thinkers .I guess those that dumped corbyn for johnson will have plenty of time to think about that
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 14, 2023, 11:54:06 amQuote from: tyke1962 on October 14, 2023, 11:28:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2023, 10:47:40 amI've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.You mean you'll have the power to change absolutely nothing .Keith really is the idol of wishful thinkers .I guess those that dumped corbyn for johnson will have plenty of time to think about thatIncluding Mandelson and the right of the Labour Party .
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2023, 10:47:40 amI've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.You mean you'll have the power to change absolutely nothing .Keith really is the idol of wishful thinkers .
I've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 14, 2023, 11:28:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2023, 10:47:40 amI've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.You mean you'll have the power to change absolutely nothing .Keith really is the idol of wishful thinkers .Listen you. I'm sick to the back teeth of your idle "they're all the same" self indulgent b*llocks. So let me see if an individual story will get through to you.14 years ago, my 2 year old son had a serious illness that could have led to a permanent disability.We were lucky.The Labour Government under Blair and Brown, the sort of Labour Govt that you and others of the so called Left can't bring yourselves to support, had been rebuilding the finances of the NHS, after the two decades of starving it under the Tories.My son was seen by a specialist within a fortnight. Within 2 months, he had the routine operation needed to solve the problem.Fast forward 14 years. His 18 month old cousin has exactly the same illness. His parents' GP has just told them that there's a 12 month waiting list to see a specialist, and advised them to go private.That's what happens when so-called left wing people like you can't clear your heads and see the difference between a Labour and a Tory Govt.Grow up.Or even better, go explain your principles to my sister in law.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 15, 2023, 01:28:56 amQuote from: tyke1962 on October 14, 2023, 11:28:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2023, 10:47:40 amI've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.You mean you'll have the power to change absolutely nothing .Keith really is the idol of wishful thinkers .Listen you. I'm sick to the back teeth of your idle "they're all the same" self indulgent b*llocks. So let me see if an individual story will get through to you.14 years ago, my 2 year old son had a serious illness that could have led to a permanent disability.We were lucky.The Labour Government under Blair and Brown, the sort of Labour Govt that you and others of the so called Left can't bring yourselves to support, had been rebuilding the finances of the NHS, after the two decades of starving it under the Tories.My son was seen by a specialist within a fortnight. Within 2 months, he had the routine operation needed to solve the problem.Fast forward 14 years. His 18 month old cousin has exactly the same illness. His parents' GP has just told them that there's a 12 month waiting list to see a specialist, and advised them to go private.That's what happens when so-called left wing people like you can't clear your heads and see the difference between a Labour and a Tory Govt.Grow up.Or even better, go explain your principles to my sister in law.Why don't you go and explain to your sister in law that the Shadow Health Minister you support doesn't back the Nurses getting a decent standard of living ? Don't play the guilt trip game with me sunshine , it won't wash .https://youtu.be/UoySOzd8-DU?si=q07HBtu2SYnVh4Eg
Yep. I didn't expect any reflection from you. It's YOUR left wing Govt or nothing isn't it?It's not "guilt tripping". It's telling that that's how you interpret it. It's trying to get you to see the absolute stupidity of your stance. It affects people.
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 15, 2023, 09:34:14 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 15, 2023, 01:28:56 amQuote from: tyke1962 on October 14, 2023, 11:28:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 13, 2023, 10:47:40 amI've only just seen the glitter thing on video.Starmer has a reputation for being dull, but his response was genius. "Protest or Power? That's why we changed our party."Right to the core of the issue for the left of centre. As smoothly delivered as if the whole thing was planned in advance.You mean you'll have the power to change absolutely nothing .Keith really is the idol of wishful thinkers .Listen you. I'm sick to the back teeth of your idle "they're all the same" self indulgent b*llocks. So let me see if an individual story will get through to you.14 years ago, my 2 year old son had a serious illness that could have led to a permanent disability.We were lucky.The Labour Government under Blair and Brown, the sort of Labour Govt that you and others of the so called Left can't bring yourselves to support, had been rebuilding the finances of the NHS, after the two decades of starving it under the Tories.My son was seen by a specialist within a fortnight. Within 2 months, he had the routine operation needed to solve the problem.Fast forward 14 years. His 18 month old cousin has exactly the same illness. His parents' GP has just told them that there's a 12 month waiting list to see a specialist, and advised them to go private.That's what happens when so-called left wing people like you can't clear your heads and see the difference between a Labour and a Tory Govt.Grow up.Or even better, go explain your principles to my sister in law.Why don't you go and explain to your sister in law that the Shadow Health Minister you support doesn't back the Nurses getting a decent standard of living ? Don't play the guilt trip game with me sunshine , it won't wash .https://youtu.be/UoySOzd8-DU?si=q07HBtu2SYnVh4EgWhat a strange logic you have tyke, you don't acknowledge that those you put in power have reduced the NHS to what it is now and you put that blame on a party in opposition doing it's best to overcome a massive majority to you helped create.Go figureKeep voting tory
Well why bang the drum for them all the time, you backed brexit didn't you? look at that mess and look how it gave and kept the tories in power.
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2023, 11:56:02 amWell why bang the drum for them all the time, you backed brexit didn't you? look at that mess and look how it gave and kept the tories in power.I don't bang the drum for them but your leader does , " Make Brexit Better " .Ted Heath signed us up , Thatcher helped create the Single Market and Major endorsed The Maasterich Treaty .Cameron and Osborne the architects of austerity were solid remainers during the referendum campaigning .But I'm the Tory ?Interesting theory Syd .
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 15, 2023, 12:22:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2023, 11:56:02 amWell why bang the drum for them all the time, you backed brexit didn't you? look at that mess and look how it gave and kept the tories in power.I don't bang the drum for them but your leader does , " Make Brexit Better " .Ted Heath signed us up , Thatcher helped create the Single Market and Major endorsed The Maasterich Treaty .Cameron and Osborne the architects of austerity were solid remainers during the referendum campaigning .But I'm the Tory ?Interesting theory Syd .while ever you support brexit you are dancing to the tory beat.please tell me you don't support brexit tyke
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2023, 12:46:08 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on October 15, 2023, 12:22:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2023, 11:56:02 amWell why bang the drum for them all the time, you backed brexit didn't you? look at that mess and look how it gave and kept the tories in power.I don't bang the drum for them but your leader does , " Make Brexit Better " .Ted Heath signed us up , Thatcher helped create the Single Market and Major endorsed The Maasterich Treaty .Cameron and Osborne the architects of austerity were solid remainers during the referendum campaigning .But I'm the Tory ?Interesting theory Syd .while ever you support brexit you are dancing to the tory beat.please tell me you don't support brexit tykeAnd yet the biggest political issue for you personally given your historical postings was leaving the union that was created for you , grown and endorsed for you by the very party you profess to dislike I even dare say hate .The plight of those who were or still are victims to Thatcherism , neoliberalism and the crushing of trade unions doesn't even come close than your homage to the EU .Even your very own leader doesn't want to rejoin the EU ...... Apparently and yet here you are preaching to me about having Tory credentials .The truth of the matter probably exists along these lines , you probably did alright out of Thatcher , got on in the world but just didn't much like the players in the Tory party that made that so .Blair and now Keith have put that right for you , I mean your leader got a knighthood before he's even got in to Downing Street .Your Shadow Chancellor is an ex Bank Of England employee and your Shadow Health Secretary likes donations from the private health providers and doesn't back nurses in their pursuit of a better standard of living .All this runs fine by you because you spend all your life in the Tory closet and refuse to come out as openly neoliberal .Your the 1950's queer .
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 15, 2023, 12:22:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2023, 11:56:02 amWell why bang the drum for them all the time, you backed brexit didn't you? look at that mess and look how it gave and kept the tories in power.I don't bang the drum for them but your leader does , " Make Brexit Better " .Ted Heath signed us up , Thatcher helped create the Single Market and Major endorsed The Maasterich Treaty .Cameron and Osborne the architects of austerity were solid remainers during the referendum campaigning .But I'm the Tory ?Interesting theory Syd .while ever you support brexit you are dancing to the tory beat.please tell me you don't support brexit tyke
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2023, 11:56:02 amWell why bang the drum for them all the time, you backed brexit didn't you? look at that mess and look how it gave and kept the tories in power.I don't bang the drum for them but your leader does , " Make Brexit Better " .Ted Heath signed us up , Thatcher helped create the Single Market and Major endorsed The Maasterich Treaty .Cameron and Osborne the architects of austerity were solid remainers during the referendum campaigning .But I'm the Tory ?Interesting theory Syd .
Suds biggest issue is that having left the UK for a better life, he can’t fit in he must be one of the worst whinging Poms! He has been there 15 years and still insists on coming on here and interfering in our affairs, he needs to get a life!
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2023, 12:46:08 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on October 15, 2023, 12:22:18 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 15, 2023, 11:56:02 amWell why bang the drum for them all the time, you backed brexit didn't you? look at that mess and look how it gave and kept the tories in power.I don't bang the drum for them but your leader does , " Make Brexit Better " .Ted Heath signed us up , Thatcher helped create the Single Market and Major endorsed The Maasterich Treaty .Cameron and Osborne the architects of austerity were solid remainers during the referendum campaigning .But I'm the Tory ?Interesting theory Syd .while ever you support brexit you are dancing to the tory beat.please tell me you don't support brexit tykeAnd yet the biggest political issue for you personally given your historical postings was leaving the union that was created for you , grown and endorsed for you by the very party you profess to dislike I even dare say hate .The plight of those who were or still are victims to Thatcherism , neoliberalism and the crushing of trade unions doesn't even come close than your homage to the EU .Even your very own leader doesn't want to rejoin the EU ...... Apparently and yet here you are preaching to me about having Tory credentials .The truth of the matter probably exists along these lines , you probably did alright out of Thatcher , got on in the world but just didn't much like the players in the Tory party that made that so .Blair and now Keith have put that right for you , I mean your leader got a knighthood before he's even got in to Downing Street .Your Shadow Chancellor is an ex Bank Of England employee and your Shadow Health Secretary likes donations from the private health providers and doesn't back nurses in their pursuit of a better standard of living .All this runs fine by you because you spend all your life in the Tory closet and refuse to come out as openly neoliberal .Your the 1950's queer .