Faal felled by foul

[Donnywolf]

... by Colchester Keeper


Was a Yellow enough ? Was it a DOGSO , was it a dangerous challenge or both


Or even neither

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Just a foul he was going well away from goal. Keepers will always get a card for a foul like that but never a red.

[glosterred]

Yep right decision the yellow, Mo was going away from goal so only yellow


COYR

[i_ateallthepies]

Who can remember Sulli poleaxing a Sunderland (I think) player quite early in an away game.  I thought Sulli might get a red for it but instead he got the free kick, the young striker was carried off and substituted.

[ncRover]

Their keeper was shocking all night.

Yellow for me though

[Donnywolf]

Who can remember Sulli poleaxing a Sunderland (I think) player quite early in an away game.  I thought Sulli might get a red for it but instead he got the free kick, the young striker was carried off and substituted.

Emnes I seem to think , but whoever it was I awaited Red Card

Remembering him legging over the Watford ? Player at North Stand end to give away a free Penalty . Walsall ?

[Monkcaster_Rover]

Who can remember Sulli poleaxing a Sunderland (I think) player quite early in an away game.  I thought Sulli might get a red for it but instead he got the free kick, the young striker was carried off and substituted.

Middlesbrough it was. Pretty sure we got beat 3-0 and there was aggro in car park after the game.

[donnievic]

Deffo correct decision was going away from goal and a couple of defenders around to cover,loads shouting for a red in south stand saying the keeper was the last man but that isn’t even a law anyway,thought the ref had a very good game tbf,thought he could of gave a free kick in 2nd half on ironside when having shirt pulled but in end we got a free kick anyway just after for a foul on maxwell where their playing got booked

[pib]

Right decision, but the keeper was crap. If we'd got a few more on target we could've had a hatful without playing amazingly.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Who can remember Sulli poleaxing a Sunderland (I think) player quite early in an away game.  I thought Sulli might get a red for it but instead he got the free kick, the young striker was carried off and substituted.

Middlesbrough it was. Pretty sure we got beat 3-0 and there was aggro in car park after the game.

Yes, deffo Middlesbrough and Emnes with Sulli taking him out almost Schumaker style! We were right behind it and it was collective whince as he hit him.

[i_ateallthepies]

Thanks for the correction, guys.  Mind, in my defence... Sunderland folk, Middlesbrough folk, you can't tell them apart.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If there was a red deserved last night it was for that awful foul by Hopper that put Senior out of the game. He made hisind up from ten yards away that he was going to hit Senior.

There's something badly wrong with the laws of the game where that sort of assault gets the same penalty as a couple of little niggles by Rowe in the second half.

[donnievic]

If there was a red deserved last night it was for that awful foul by Hopper that put Senior out of the game. He made hisind up from ten yards away that he was going to hit Senior.

There's something badly wrong with the laws of the game where that sort of assault gets the same penalty as a couple of little niggles by Rowe in the second half.

not for me looked as he went to close him down and he caught senior as he followed through with his clearance

[Donnywolf]

Thanks for the correction, guys.  Mind, in my defence... Sunderland folk, Middlesbrough folk, you can't tell them apart.

You can when Yorkshire CCC are playing lol

[In the box]

... by Colchester Keeper


Was a Yellow enough ? Was it a DOGSO , was it a dangerous challenge or both


Or even neither

It was deliberate and should have been a straight red imo .

[drfchound]

If there was a red deserved last night it was for that awful foul by Hopper that put Senior out of the game. He made hisind up from ten yards away that he was going to hit Senior.

There's something badly wrong with the laws of the game where that sort of assault gets the same penalty as a couple of little niggles by Rowe in the second half.

not for me looked as he went to close him down and he caught senior as he followed through with his clearance

Bang on.
Senior delayed his clearance too long and invited the challenge.
Hopper saw a chance to get a block in and arrived too late, Senior got caught by Hoppers studs.
Never intentional at all but definitely a yellow for a late tackle.

[donnievic]

... by Colchester Keeper


Was a Yellow enough ? Was it a DOGSO , was it a dangerous challenge or both


Or even neither

It was deliberate and should have been a straight red imo .

a lot of fouls are deliberate but doesntwarrent a red card

[DMnumber4]

Who can remember Sulli poleaxing a Sunderland (I think) player quite early in an away game.  I thought Sulli might get a red for it but instead he got the free kick, the young striker was carried off and substituted.

Middlesbrough it was. Pretty sure we got beat 3-0 and there was aggro in car park after the game.

Yes, deffo Middlesbrough and Emnes with Sulli taking him out almost Schumaker style! We were right behind it and it was collective whince as he hit him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DizKAc_aec0

Never touched him.

[Filo]

If there was a red deserved last night it was for that awful foul by Hopper that put Senior out of the game. He made hisind up from ten yards away that he was going to hit Senior.

There's something badly wrong with the laws of the game where that sort of assault gets the same penalty as a couple of little niggles by Rowe in the second half.

He was that late he missed the last bus

[BillyStubbsTears]

If there was a red deserved last night it was for that awful foul by Hopper that put Senior out of the game. He made hisind up from ten yards away that he was going to hit Senior.

There's something badly wrong with the laws of the game where that sort of assault gets the same penalty as a couple of little niggles by Rowe in the second half.

not for me looked as he went to close him down and he caught senior as he followed through with his clearance

Just watched the video again. At the very, very most generous assessment, it is a badly mistimed challenge. The ball is a good 3-4 yards away by the time he makes contact with Senior. Hopper chose to go into the challenge at pace and if you do that, you've lost the right to be given the benefit of the doubt if you get the timing wrong. Even if it wasn't pre-meditated, it was recklessly late and the result has put Senior out of the game.

There are WAY too many challenges like that at this level. The intention is to intimidate the defender into rushing a clearance with the threat of them getting hurt if they try to be more measured. They are nasty and dangerous fouls and refs are copping out by not properly punishing them.

[Mike_F]

... by Colchester Keeper


Was a Yellow enough ? Was it a DOGSO , was it a dangerous challenge or both


Or even neither

It was deliberate and should have been a straight red imo .

In your opinion but not in the laws of the game. Taking into account the direction of play i.e. Faal heading out into the channel, not towards goal and the number of defenders getting back to cover you can't say it was DOGSO. more a case of stopping a promising attack with a genuine attempt to play the ball. Not a dangerous challenge so yellow card was the right decision.

[Mike_F]

If there was a red deserved last night it was for that awful foul by Hopper that put Senior out of the game. He made hisind up from ten yards away that he was going to hit Senior.

There's something badly wrong with the laws of the game where that sort of assault gets the same penalty as a couple of little niggles by Rowe in the second half.

not for me looked as he went to close him down and he caught senior as he followed through with his clearance

Just watched the video again. At the very, very most generous assessment, it is a badly mistimed challenge. The ball is a good 3-4 yards away by the time he makes contact with Senior. Hopper chose to go into the challenge at pace and if you do that, you've lost the right to be given the benefit of the doubt if you get the timing wrong. Even if it wasn't pre-meditated, it was recklessly late and the result has put Senior out of the game.

There are WAY too many challenges like that at this level. The intention is to intimidate the defender into rushing a clearance with the threat of them getting hurt if they try to be more measured. They are nasty and dangerous fouls and refs are copping out by not properly punishing them.

I've highlighted the pertinent word there in bold. Careless challenge = free kicks. Reckless challenge = yellow card. Dangerous challenge = red card.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If there was a red deserved last night it was for that awful foul by Hopper that put Senior out of the game. He made hisind up from ten yards away that he was going to hit Senior.

There's something badly wrong with the laws of the game where that sort of assault gets the same penalty as a couple of little niggles by Rowe in the second half.

not for me looked as he went to close him down and he caught senior as he followed through with his clearance

Just watched the video again. At the very, very most generous assessment, it is a badly mistimed challenge. The ball is a good 3-4 yards away by the time he makes contact with Senior. Hopper chose to go into the challenge at pace and if you do that, you've lost the right to be given the benefit of the doubt if you get the timing wrong. Even if it wasn't pre-meditated, it was recklessly late and the result has put Senior out of the game.

There are WAY too many challenges like that at this level. The intention is to intimidate the defender into rushing a clearance with the threat of them getting hurt if they try to be more measured. They are nasty and dangerous fouls and refs are copping out by not properly punishing them.

I've highlighted the pertinent word there in bold. Careless challenge = free kicks. Reckless challenge = yellow card. Dangerous challenge = red card.

I was using the word "reckless" to mean he was acting in an out of control manner. Clearly it was "dangerous" because it put Senior out of the game.

It's the sort of challenge where the perpetrator has decided they are going through with it regardless of whether they get the ball or not, and at that speed, from that angle, if they make serious contact then by definition it is "dangerous".

Anyone who's played football at any level knows whether they are able to just get in there to make a block. There's a sixth sense for this sort of thing. Lokk at the images attached and tell me Hopper didn't choose to wipe out Senior, while knowing damn well he wasn't going to make the block.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Put it another way. A law that calls that sort of challenge "Not Dangerous" and the one that Rowe got sent off for earlier this season "Dangerous" is really not fit for purpose.

[Mike_F]

I still think it's (very) reckless rather than dangerous. You can see from the still frames that he wasn't far off getting to the ball and his legs were moving in a normal running motion as he was going to make the block. Yes he was moving at speed which has to be considered but didn't move into a tackling shape or go in with a high foot. A strong yellow card and a word to say he's on very thin ice going forward would've been my call.

[Mike_F]

Put it another way. A law that calls that sort of challenge "Not Dangerous" and the one that Rowe got sent off for earlier this season "Dangerous" is really not fit for purpose.

I agree with that. I was appalled that the appeal on Rowe's challenge was rejected. When I was doing the ref qualification we looked at a few high boot challenges very similar to Rowe's and there was no suggestion that any of them were anywhere near a red card offence.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I still think it's (very) reckless rather than dangerous. You can see from the still frames that he wasn't far off getting to the ball and his legs were moving in a normal running motion as he was going to make the block. Yes he was moving at speed which has to be considered but didn't move into a tackling shape or go in with a high foot. A strong yellow card and a word to say he's on very thin ice going forward would've been my call.

Yep, I won't argue with that.

[drfchound]

I still think it's (very) reckless rather than dangerous. You can see from the still frames that he wasn't far off getting to the ball and his legs were moving in a normal running motion as he was going to make the block. Yes he was moving at speed which has to be considered but didn't move into a tackling shape or go in with a high foot. A strong yellow card and a word to say he's on very thin ice going forward would've been my call.

I agree Mike, with the part that says it wasn’t dangerous.
Hopper was making a genuine attempt to block the clearance but mistimed the tackle.
bst earlier in the thread suggested that Hopper was out of control but that is in no way correct as you have pointed out.
Out of control generally means when players go into a tackle with both feet off the ground.
Hopper got the yellow card and I suspect he also got the warning as you suggested.
Anyone who has played the game knows that it is a contact sport and as a result, people get hurt.

[Dutch Uncle]

When I saw the title of this thread I thought - that was written by a literate fellow 

[donnievic]

If there was a red deserved last night it was for that awful foul by Hopper that put Senior out of the game. He made hisind up from ten yards away that he was going to hit Senior.

There's something badly wrong with the laws of the game where that sort of assault gets the same penalty as a couple of little niggles by Rowe in the second half.

not for me looked as he went to close him down and he caught senior as he followed through with his clearance

Just watched the video again. At the very, very most generous assessment, it is a badly mistimed challenge. The ball is a good 3-4 yards away by the time he makes contact with Senior. Hopper chose to go into the challenge at pace and if you do that, you've lost the right to be given the benefit of the doubt if you get the timing wrong. Even if it wasn't pre-meditated, it was recklessly late and the result has put Senior out of the game.

There are WAY too many challenges like that at this level. The intention is to intimidate the defender into rushing a clearance with the threat of them getting hurt if they try to be more measured. They are nasty and dangerous fouls and refs are copping out by not properly punishing them.

thank you you have just said. The challange was reckless which warrants a yellow card not a red