Free Breakfast for Fletcher MP

[BillyStubbsTears]

What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.

He's saying

1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.

1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.

It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I saw bits of what he said in parliament today. He has a point in some ways even if we don't all want to admit it.

Really? You'd be scared to let your kids play outside because a foreign family moved in next door? You think A&E gets full because none of the doctors speak English?

Which bit of his nonsensical, rambling racist speech, that was based on an obvious fantasy, did you find yourself agreeing with?

Read what I said, "some" not all. I quite agree with you that some of it equally is in my view crazy.

In my view the country is stretched population wise and there are areas of cities like ours that are adversely affected by the negative aspects of immigration.

I don't see it's viable to ignore the aspects of what people like him say that may well be correct just because of the parts you don't agree with and I do take pretty big issue with some of the things he says aswell.  Society should be more transparent in having the uncomfortable conversations it isn't black and white.

I saw comments online earlier that anyone who questions these things is racist, xenophobic, intolerant etc and that's complete rubbish. Some aspects of it are right to be challenge.

As to your question, my kids gladly play in the street. The 'foreign' family next door are a bit older but they're bloody nice people.

[drfchound]

What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.

He's saying

1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.

1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.

It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.

BST, I’m genuinely interested in who you think are the people in here who “lap it up”.

[scawsby steve]

The nicest kids in my street are from families from Mauritius and Romania.

[tommy toes]

Mrs T volunteers for the refugee council. I've met some of the families she works with and a kinder, friendlier bunch of people you'd be hard pressed to meet.

This hasn't stopped one Afghan family she sees, who are really lovely, having to be moved twice after being attacked by people the likes of Fletcher incite.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The nicest kids in my street are from families from Mauritius and Romania.

Good SS.

My eldest has friends at school whose parents are from Poland, India, Somalia, Iraq and Malaysia, and another whose grandparents were immigrants from the West Indies. Every one of them are wonderful kids who will contribute shed loads to the community.

My wife works in a Council library in one of the more deprived parts of Sheffield. She regularly regales me with stories of immigrant mothers bringing their kids to story times because they want them to be proficient in English. The same mothers helping out at the library and making "English" friends.

That's ALWAYS been the story of immigration in our nation. Nasty, ignorant t**ts like Fletcher who want to stir up hatred against The Other have always existed. We've always marginalised them. I trust the voters of Denaby to send him into well earned obscurity next year.

[MachoMadness]

Bfyp, his entire point was race baiting bile. It doesn't matter if he identifies obvious problems with public services if all he's doing is using them as a stick to beat some of the poorest and most vulnerable people in the city with. He's still being explicitly racist towards people like your neighbour, and that sort of thing doesn't warrant a civil discussion.

If he'd said Rovers have been shit for the last 3 years because the country has let too many foreigners in, just because the first part is true doesn't mean the second part isn't racist bile - and obviously nonsensical racist bile at that.

Getting reasonable people like you nodding along with parts of this poison is how it spreads.

[normal rules]

What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.

He's saying

1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.

1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.

It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.

It’s not quite as black and white as that though is it? Why are we once again talking about extremes?
Fletcher is an idiot. His ability to articulate the issues facing his community is at best pathetic and at worst racist. Let’s not be like him.

Public services are under strain. Fact. For many reasons; austerity being one of them, they have not collapsed.
Illegal immigration shows no sign of abating. Fact.
Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this.

[scawsby steve]

i know Caroline Flint wasn't everyone's cup of tea, but I can't believe the voters ditched her for Fletcher.

[SydneyRover]

What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.

He's saying

1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.

1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.

It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.

It’s not quite as black and white as that though is it? Why are we once again talking about extremes?
Fletcher is an idiot. His ability to articulate the issues facing his community is at best pathetic and at worst racist. Let’s not be like him.

Public services are under strain. Fact. For many reasons; austerity being one of them, they have not collapsed.
Illegal immigration shows no sign of abating. Fact.
Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this.

This is how it works weave the lies in with a bit of truth.

''Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this''

If it's a binary question you may be correct but it's not, if you asked the uk pop if they could have a choice of upping the windfall tax on big oil so the the NHS could be fixed, hotel accommodation paid for and school repair backlog paid for .......

[BillyStubbsTears]

NR.

You don't produce more money for public services by reducing overseas students who contribute £30-40bn a year to the economy. That is the policy of this Govt
I've been saying for years, they don't want to solve this issue. They want people to suffer and blame The Other. It's all they have.

[normal rules]

What Fletcher is doing obviously needs spelling out, because there are people in here who lap it up.

He's saying

1) Public services have collapsed. True
2) Immigration has increased. True.
3) 1 is because of 2. False.

1) has happened because his party of spivs, barrow boys, and economically illiterate class warriors have f**ked the economy and massively under funded public services. That gives an opening to a thick racists like Fletcher to blame everything on the dirty, thieving foreign bas**rds.

It's a story as old as the hills. It's an excuse for inherent racism. And every time it happens, there are people who cannot wait to agree with it.

It’s not quite as black and white as that though is it? Why are we once again talking about extremes?
Fletcher is an idiot. His ability to articulate the issues facing his community is at best pathetic and at worst racist. Let’s not be like him.

Public services are under strain. Fact. For many reasons; austerity being one of them, they have not collapsed.
Illegal immigration shows no sign of abating. Fact.
Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this.

This is how it works weave the lies in with a bit of truth.

''Illegal immigration and its cost, is inter connected with public funds. I’d rather spend 7 million quid every day on the NHS, than on hotel accommodation. Most of the uk population would agree with this''

If it's a binary question you may be correct but it's not, if you asked the uk pop if they could have a choice of upping the windfall tax on big oil so the the NHS could be fixed, hotel accommodation paid for and school repair backlog paid for .......

But many of the voting electorate will view things in a binary way.
Tick the box.
Red.
Blue.
At the ballot box voters will consider binary. That’s been the backbone of uk politics for decades.
Money for housing migrants. Or money for the nhs.
They won’t consider windfall taxes. That’s not part of the current political environment. It’s not on the front pages. It’s not discussed. The MSM are not pushing it. Labour are not even pushing it. If they are, it’s not being noticed.

[SydneyRover]

Only if people such as fletcher present it that way and choose not to believe the alternative.

[normal rules]

NR.

You don't produce more money for public services by reducing overseas students who contribute £30-40bn a year to the economy. That is the policy of this Govt
I've been saying for years, they don't want to solve this issue. They want people to suffer and blame The Other. It's all they have.

Overseas students and the potential benefits they bring are NOT part of the current political picture currently. I’m not disagreeing with you, or SR for that matter when he talks about windfall taxes. I’m saying these are minor side shows to the main events that are facing this and the next government. Voters won’t be thinking about overseas students next year. Not will they be thinking about windfall taxes on Big Oil . It’s that simple.

[normal rules]

And take the example of Kegworth as an example in case. A village pop circa 3500. There is a hotel in the village housing 150 migrants. Some locals are in uproar about it. But they are split. Binary. Some supporting the need for those seeking asylum from conflict and the rest opposing them being there.
This is a binary village. Replicated across the country.
They will vote next year with the party they believe will sort out their issues according to their feelings. They won’t give a shit about overseas students or big oil.
But here’s the issue. The tories have f**ked the whole thing up. Labour will inherit the f**kup and do little to change it. They may compound issues.
From there on in I don’t know where we will end up.

[BillyStubbsTears]

NR

Look at the polls. One of the groups of "immigrants" (sic) that gets the highest support for policies that reduce the numbers is overseas students.

This Govt COULD educate people about the massive benefits that the country gets from welcoming overseas students, both in immediate income and in the long term links with people who will drive the economies of their own countries when they return.

But they don't. They introduced policies last week aimed at satisfying the ill informed prejudices of people who just don't want foreigners here.

[normal rules]

NR

Look at the polls. One of the groups of "immigrants" (sic) that gets the highest support for policies that reduce the numbers is overseas students.

This Govt COULD educate people about the massive benefits that the country gets from welcoming overseas students, both in immediate income and in the long term links with people who will drive the economies of their own countries when they return.

But they don't. They introduced policies last week aimed at satisfying the ill informed prejudices of people who just don't want foreigners here.

Once again. I won’t disagree.
But its way way too late for that.
And for context in case you think I’m some ultra conservative lunatic; my brother in law runs an English school in Italy. He has lived there for 25 years and has full Italian residency. We have entertained students of his on international secondments. I know full well the benefits of overseas students.
But this facet of international relations really aren’t part of the current political landscape. At all.
Go take a walk around stainforth and ask the locals what they think about overseas students and what they contribute to The uk economy. Then go and walk around the streets of Loughborough and ask the same. You will get two very different responses .
There are more stainforths than Loughboroughs.
Populism is taking over. Whether we like it or not.

[SydneyRover]

There is no argument that there are those that would support populist issues as for 'populism taking over' I think is a bit of a stretch.

The way to deal with it is to call it out for what it is and don't amplify it.

[drfchound]

I wonder what residents around the Lincolnshire air base set to house immigrants think about them moving in there.
Possibly NIMBY?

[normal rules]

I wonder what residents around the Lincolnshire air base set to house immigrants think about them moving in there.
Possibly NIMBY?

You only have to look online using search term Scampton to find out.

[Filo]

Fletcher blocks anyone on social media that pulls him up on the b*llocks he spouts, there’s no free speech when it comes to him!

[Donnywolf]

Yes , and forgets to post a different Photo when in "the big City" as Thorne will become in the redrawn Constituency

Good heavens I might be represented by a Lib Dem MP next Election when Bawtry Bessacarr and Epworth Crowle Haxey and Westwoodside get on board

Just thought it could be called Don Trent Torne Idle Valley EDIT adding Ouse as its on the Banks of and Humber which it is only a few Hundred yards from off Blacktoft Sands

Wonder if many Constituencies have 3 maybe more Counties within them. This one with be South Yorkshire Nottinghamshire and one maybe 2 portions of Lincolnshire

I'll have to study the Map

[Donnywolf]

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Doncaster%20East%20and%20the%20Isle%20of%20Axholme

Predicted Labour will win according to recent Polls and historical voting habits of the Wards

[drfchound]

I wonder what residents around the Lincolnshire air base set to house immigrants think about them moving in there.
Possibly NIMBY?

You only have to look online using search term Scampton to find out.

Plenty of potential racists there then.

[tyke1962]

Let's not forget the clearing out of the left not just recently with Labour but since the late 70's has played a huge contribution in the rise of Popularism .

The often smug replies of well you are only enabling Trump , Farage , Le Penn , Tories or even fascism if you don't vote for liberal democracy .

How's about Liberal Democracy stopped being so shyte , stopped telling people " there's no other way " and actually did something about capitalism and poverty .

Liberal Democracy might like to accept some blame if it wasn't so stuck up its self , telling people this is as good as it gets and then scratch their heads when nobody listens anymore .

[SydneyRover]

Let's not forget the clearing out of the left not just recently with Labour but since the late 70's has played a huge contribution in the rise of Popularism .

The often smug replies of well you are only enabling Trump , Farage , Le Penn , Tories or even fascism if you don't vote for liberal democracy .

How's about Liberal Democracy stopped being so shyte , stopped telling people " there's no other way " and actually did something about capitalism and poverty .

Liberal Democracy might like to accept some blame if it wasn't so stuck up its self , telling people this is as good as it gets and then scratch their heads when nobody listens anymore .

You appear to talk about labour, Liberal Democracy as though they are things when they are people just like you tyke, except they are involved.

[tyke1962]

Let's not forget the clearing out of the left not just recently with Labour but since the late 70's has played a huge contribution in the rise of Popularism .

The often smug replies of well you are only enabling Trump , Farage , Le Penn , Tories or even fascism if you don't vote for liberal democracy .

How's about Liberal Democracy stopped being so shyte , stopped telling people " there's no other way " and actually did something about capitalism and poverty .

Liberal Democracy might like to accept some blame if it wasn't so stuck up its self , telling people this is as good as it gets and then scratch their heads when nobody listens anymore .

You appear to talk about labour, Liberal Democracy as though they are things when they are people just like you tyke, except they are involved.

Well that's not any kind of reply at all is it Sydney .

That's the hand wringing standard we've come to expect of course .

Evil prevails when good people do nothing .

[SydneyRover]

Au contraire tyke, comment #54 is the one with the dishwashing hands wouldn't you think, read it back to yourself.

[Herbert Anchovy]

I've just come across this MP - Where the hell has he come from and, more importantly, why have the people of Donny voted for him? Donny is full and you can't get an A&E appointment because of immigrants? He's a disgrace.

Labour are far from perfect but when I see people like this prick I firmly believe that everyone should vote Labour to get rid of these rabble rousing liars.

[Ldr]

DRI is an inadequate resource for the population served, that’s a fact. Underfunding is underpinning this. Anything else thrown around is smoke and mirrors