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If the current side played that 1981 side, there wouldn't be a foul in the game. The current side wouldn't need to foul anyone. The 1981 side wouldn't ever get close enough to their opponent to foul someone.I loved that 1981 side. A wonderful combination of grit and elegance. But you have to face facts. Today's players are utterly unrecognisable to those in the game from 40 years ago, in ability, physique, speed of thought and speed of action.You don't believe me, have a think about that pirouette Sterry did on Tuesday night and ask yourself how many players in the entirity of world football could have don't that 40 years ago.
I think if animal was on the other team Sterry would not have completed that wee pirouette!!
Think that 1980 side would beat today's especially if they had the diet improvement etc.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 11, 2024, 04:04:43 pmIf the current side played that 1981 side, there wouldn't be a foul in the game. The current side wouldn't need to foul anyone. The 1981 side wouldn't ever get close enough to their opponent to foul someone.I loved that 1981 side. A wonderful combination of grit and elegance. But you have to face facts. Today's players are utterly unrecognisable to those in the game from 40 years ago, in ability, physique, speed of thought and speed of action.You don't believe me, have a think about that pirouette Sterry did on Tuesday night and ask yourself how many players in the entirity of world football could have don't that 40 years ago.If that 81 side was in the present day with all the science, coaching, diet and physical conditioning, what then? Which division do you think they could have played in?Not easy to answer I know but interested in your thoughts.
You can make the argument the other way. Would today's players, who are basically playing with a balloon in carpet slippers, have developed the same skills, and played at the same pace, with the old casey ball, and heavy boots covering their ankles?
Quote from: scawsby steve on April 11, 2024, 08:43:37 pmYou can make the argument the other way. Would today's players, who are basically playing with a balloon in carpet slippers, have developed the same skills, and played at the same pace, with the old casey ball, and heavy boots covering their ankles?Watch the first minute of that video and tell me if you reckon Matthew Craig would misplaced a fiver yard pass when playing at walking pace with nobody pressing him, even if he was playing naked with his knackers in a vice?Cos it happens about 5 times in that first minute.
I've pointed this out several times before but here goes again.There's a video online of the 1962 WC final. Brazil, the best team in history with Djalmar Santos, Didi, Vava, Garrincha etc. Against one of the best sides from Europe, Czechoslovakia who had got to the semi of the previous Euros and were headed by Masopust, the European Footballer of the Year.If you're going to comment on this subject, watch the first minute before you do.https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=_YyeQj0TGyDCr_rf&t=61&v=2NJ_dSNj01E&feature=youtu.be&t=61It's like a comedy piss take of what football was like in the old days. A top modern team would literally put 50 past them.You cannot possibly argue that those players, given modern coaching, would be as good as DeBruyne or Haaland or Mbappe. They are literally playing a different sport. That was the very best in the world, just 18 years before that 80/81 Rovers side, who were the 70th or so best side in one country.
Quote from: Nudga on April 11, 2024, 05:56:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 11, 2024, 04:04:43 pmIf the current side played that 1981 side, there wouldn't be a foul in the game. The current side wouldn't need to foul anyone. The 1981 side wouldn't ever get close enough to their opponent to foul someone.I loved that 1981 side. A wonderful combination of grit and elegance. But you have to face facts. Today's players are utterly unrecognisable to those in the game from 40 years ago, in ability, physique, speed of thought and speed of action.You don't believe me, have a think about that pirouette Sterry did on Tuesday night and ask yourself how many players in the entirity of world football could have don't that 40 years ago.If that 81 side was in the present day with all the science, coaching, diet and physical conditioning, what then? Which division do you think they could have played in?Not easy to answer I know but interested in your thoughts. I've absolutely no idea how any individual would get on. My take though is that they had specific skills for their time. There's no guarantee that the specific players from that time would have had the mental discipline to engage with modern expectations of diets and training methods. It's so different it's essentially a different sport. And absolutely a different lifestyle.Billy Bremner is a good example. He was magnificent in his day, but he liked a fag and a drink and his physique wasn't a patch on modern players' physiques. Could he have given up the booze and fags and hit modern standards? Who knows? Maybe. Maybe not. But it's not a given.
Imagine Colin Douglas playing today pissed up. Like some have said, totally different today’s footballers to the 1980s. Think the 1980s players were a harder in there play
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 11, 2024, 08:03:24 pmI've pointed this out several times before but here goes again.There's a video online of the 1962 WC final. Brazil, the best team in history with Djalmar Santos, Didi, Vava, Garrincha etc. Against one of the best sides from Europe, Czechoslovakia who had got to the semi of the previous Euros and were headed by Masopust, the European Footballer of the Year.If you're going to comment on this subject, watch the first minute before you do.https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=_YyeQj0TGyDCr_rf&t=61&v=2NJ_dSNj01E&feature=youtu.be&t=61It's like a comedy piss take of what football was like in the old days. A top modern team would literally put 50 past them.You cannot possibly argue that those players, given modern coaching, would be as good as DeBruyne or Haaland or Mbappe. They are literally playing a different sport. That was the very best in the world, just 18 years before that 80/81 Rovers side, who were the 70th or so best side in one country.Think you’ll find the 1970 Brazil World Cup team were widely acclaimed as being ‘The best team in the world’.Don’t think I need name the players.And the 1970 England squad was better than the 1966 squad.
I've pointed this out several times before but here goes again.There's a video online of the 1962 WC final. Brazil, the best team in history with Djalmar Santos, Didi, Vava, Garrincha etc. Against one of the best sides from Europe, Czechoslovakia who had got to the semi of the previous Euros and were headed by Masopust, the European Footballer of the Year.If you're going to comment on this subject, watch the first minute before you do.https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=_YyeQj0TGyDCr_rf&t=61&v=2NJ_dSNj01E&feature=youtu.be&t=61It's like a comedy piss take of what football was like in the old days. A top modern team would literally put 50 past them.You cannot possibly argue that those players, given modern coaching, would be as good as DeBruyne or Haaland or Mbappe. They are literally playing a different sport. That was the very best in the world, just 18 years before that 80/81 Rovers side, who were the 70th or so best side in one country.
I've pointed this out several times before but here goes again.There's a video online of the 1962 WC final. Brazil, the best team in history with Djalmar Santos, Didi, Vava, Garrincha etc. Against one of the best sides from Europe, Czechoslovakia who had got to the semi of the previous Euros and were headed by Masopust, the European Footballer of the Year.If you're going to comment on this subject, watch the first minute before you do.https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=_YyeQj0TGyDCr_rf&t=61&v=2NJ_dSNj01E&feature=youtu.be&t=61It's like a comedy piss take of what football was like in the old days. A top modern team would literally put 50 past them.You cannot possibly argue that those players, given modern coaching, would be as good as DeBruyne or Haaland or Mbappe. They are literally playing a different sport. That was the very best in the world, just 18 years before that 80/81 Rovers side, who were the 70th or so best side in one country.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 11, 2024, 08:03:24 pmI've pointed this out several times before but here goes again.There's a video online of the 1962 WC final. Brazil, the best team in history with Djalmar Santos, Didi, Vava, Garrincha etc. Against one of the best sides from Europe, Czechoslovakia who had got to the semi of the previous Euros and were headed by Masopust, the European Footballer of the Year.If you're going to comment on this subject, watch the first minute before you do.https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=_YyeQj0TGyDCr_rf&t=61&v=2NJ_dSNj01E&feature=youtu.be&t=61It's like a comedy piss take of what football was like in the old days. A top modern team would literally put 50 past them.You cannot possibly argue that those players, given modern coaching, would be as good as DeBruyne or Haaland or Mbappe. They are literally playing a different sport. That was the very best in the world, just 18 years before that 80/81 Rovers side, who were the 70th or so best side in one country.Right, so you reckon the players are completely different nowadays? How is that? Has evolution sped up exponentially in the past 50 years? Best call the Royal society, they'll love to hear about your findings.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 11, 2024, 08:52:14 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on April 11, 2024, 08:43:37 pmYou can make the argument the other way. Would today's players, who are basically playing with a balloon in carpet slippers, have developed the same skills, and played at the same pace, with the old casey ball, and heavy boots covering their ankles?Watch the first minute of that video and tell me if you reckon Matthew Craig would misplaced a fiver yard pass when playing at walking pace with nobody pressing him, even if he was playing naked with his knackers in a vice?Cos it happens about 5 times in that first minute.You need to be careful with the semantics here, BST, because it sounds like you're suggesting that Matty Craig is a better player than Pele, Zito, Didi, Vava, and Garrincha.
Quote from: TonySoprano on April 12, 2024, 10:21:17 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 11, 2024, 08:03:24 pmI've pointed this out several times before but here goes again.There's a video online of the 1962 WC final. Brazil, the best team in history with Djalmar Santos, Didi, Vava, Garrincha etc. Against one of the best sides from Europe, Czechoslovakia who had got to the semi of the previous Euros and were headed by Masopust, the European Footballer of the Year.If you're going to comment on this subject, watch the first minute before you do.https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=_YyeQj0TGyDCr_rf&t=61&v=2NJ_dSNj01E&feature=youtu.be&t=61It's like a comedy piss take of what football was like in the old days. A top modern team would literally put 50 past them.You cannot possibly argue that those players, given modern coaching, would be as good as DeBruyne or Haaland or Mbappe. They are literally playing a different sport. That was the very best in the world, just 18 years before that 80/81 Rovers side, who were the 70th or so best side in one country.Right, so you reckon the players are completely different nowadays? How is that? Has evolution sped up exponentially in the past 50 years? Best call the Royal society, they'll love to hear about your findings. No. I think the GAME is utterly different and as a result the demands on players are unrecognisable from those in previous generations. As a result of THAT, it is frankly stupid to say that the SPECIFIC players from previous generations would be able to perform today if they were exposed to modern training and diets. Of course, if you took a million kids with football talent from 1960 or 1980 and transposed them into the present day and trained, fed and taught them how modern kids are, you'd get equally good players. But it wouldn't be Pele or Moore or Beckenbauer or Snodin who'd make the grade. It'd be others who for various reasons were not suitable for football as it was set up in the 60s or 80s.