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Bloody hell, mandatory national service for young people. That's confirmed it; Sunak definitely has had enough and wants to f*ck off to his ranch in California.
Embarrassing. Guess this is what he spent his day off dreaming up. Piss weak bait for Daily Mail readers who hate their kids.
Fake news.
Quote from: drfchound on May 25, 2024, 11:43:00 pmFake news.The National Service story? It’s on the front page of every paper tomorrow.
Quote from: scawsby steve on May 25, 2024, 10:12:01 pmBloody hell, mandatory national service for young people. That's confirmed it; Sunak definitely has had enough and wants to f*ck off to his ranch in California.“Home Secretary James Cleverly said National Service will help bottle the “Blitz Spirit” we saw during the pandemic.”Cringe.
My lads 18, he's at work today . Been there since six , like yesterday saving up for Uni whilst he finishes his college course. Most of his mates are exactly same. What benefits would he be getting by presumably not being paid 'volunteering' in NHS or similar. I'm 51 old enough to have known blokes who did national service and described it as organised bullying doing menial tasks . If there is 1.5 billion to pay to develop the young as this fag packet panic proposal reckons it needs, there's equally same number of better ideas to spend it on.
Quote from: turnbull for england on May 26, 2024, 07:17:23 amMy lads 18, he's at work today . Been there since six , like yesterday saving up for Uni whilst he finishes his college course. Most of his mates are exactly same. What benefits would he be getting by presumably not being paid 'volunteering' in NHS or similar. I'm 51 old enough to have known blokes who did national service and described it as organised bullying doing menial tasks . If there is 1.5 billion to pay to develop the young as this fag packet panic proposal reckons it needs, there's equally same number of better ideas to spend it on.Being 18 is a really difficult stage in life, there’s a lot going on in life while you’re still trying to work out how the world works.On top of that, if your lad and others had to be taken out of work it’s lost tax revenue for the government on top of the initial spending for this pointless policy.And shops and bars will be short staffed on weekends with this! More stress on small businesses.
My lads 18, he's at work today . Been there since six , like yesterday saving up for Uni whilst he finishes his college course. Most of his mates are exactly same. What benefits would he be getting by presumably not being paid 'volunteering' in NHS or similar. I'm 51 old enough to have known blokes who did national service and described it as organised bullying doing menial tasks . If there is 1.5 billion to pay to develop the young as this fag packet panic proposal reckons it needs, there's equally same number of better ideas to spend it on.
Quote from: turnbull for england on May 26, 2024, 07:17:23 amMy lads 18, he's at work today . Been there since six , like yesterday saving up for Uni whilst he finishes his college course. Most of his mates are exactly same. What benefits would he be getting by presumably not being paid 'volunteering' in NHS or similar. I'm 51 old enough to have known blokes who did national service and described it as organised bullying doing menial tasks . If there is 1.5 billion to pay to develop the young as this fag packet panic proposal reckons it needs, there's equally same number of better ideas to spend it on.Maybe the National Service proposals shouldn't be aimed at everyone, as you rightly point out, some like your lad and his mates clearly don't need it and are setting a fine example.Perhaps this should be used as a backstop for those who won't try to (or can't) better themselves?
Quote from: IDM on May 26, 2024, 08:56:25 amQuote from: turnbull for england on May 26, 2024, 07:17:23 amMy lads 18, he's at work today . Been there since six , like yesterday saving up for Uni whilst he finishes his college course. Most of his mates are exactly same. What benefits would he be getting by presumably not being paid 'volunteering' in NHS or similar. I'm 51 old enough to have known blokes who did national service and described it as organised bullying doing menial tasks . If there is 1.5 billion to pay to develop the young as this fag packet panic proposal reckons it needs, there's equally same number of better ideas to spend it on.Maybe the National Service proposals shouldn't be aimed at everyone, as you rightly point out, some like your lad and his mates clearly don't need it and are setting a fine example.Perhaps this should be used as a backstop for those who won't try to (or can't) better themselves?I’m with you on this IDM.It should be for the types who are out at night stealing from people, car thieves, drug dealers and anti social kids.Better for all involved than being sent to prison.Those like the ones mentioned by Turnbull shouldn’t be drafted.
Quote from: drfchound on May 26, 2024, 09:11:07 amQuote from: IDM on May 26, 2024, 08:56:25 amQuote from: turnbull for england on May 26, 2024, 07:17:23 amMy lads 18, he's at work today . Been there since six , like yesterday saving up for Uni whilst he finishes his college course. Most of his mates are exactly same. What benefits would he be getting by presumably not being paid 'volunteering' in NHS or similar. I'm 51 old enough to have known blokes who did national service and described it as organised bullying doing menial tasks . If there is 1.5 billion to pay to develop the young as this fag packet panic proposal reckons it needs, there's equally same number of better ideas to spend it on.Maybe the National Service proposals shouldn't be aimed at everyone, as you rightly point out, some like your lad and his mates clearly don't need it and are setting a fine example.Perhaps this should be used as a backstop for those who won't try to (or can't) better themselves?I’m with you on this IDM.It should be for the types who are out at night stealing from people, car thieves, drug dealers and anti social kids.Better for all involved than being sent to prison.Those like the ones mentioned by Turnbull shouldn’t be drafted.So someone like that should be helping out unsupervised at a MacMillan coffee morning?
Just for your info NNK I've long been an advocate of National Service (of sorts, not necessarily for everyone), to instil a sense of discipline in those who would benefit. Some would still rebel as they always would.Nowt to do with today's headlines, just prompted to discuss it now. As for infrastructure, no it's not there and would take years to implement, but it's the principle of having a National Service option I support.As for a GE/political angle however, it's a very weak element to persuade voters. It doesn't tip the balance for me. Far far down on priorities.
Quote from: ncRover on May 26, 2024, 09:17:24 amQuote from: drfchound on May 26, 2024, 09:11:07 amQuote from: IDM on May 26, 2024, 08:56:25 amQuote from: turnbull for england on May 26, 2024, 07:17:23 amMy lads 18, he's at work today . Been there since six , like yesterday saving up for Uni whilst he finishes his college course. Most of his mates are exactly same. What benefits would he be getting by presumably not being paid 'volunteering' in NHS or similar. I'm 51 old enough to have known blokes who did national service and described it as organised bullying doing menial tasks . If there is 1.5 billion to pay to develop the young as this fag packet panic proposal reckons it needs, there's equally same number of better ideas to spend it on.Maybe the National Service proposals shouldn't be aimed at everyone, as you rightly point out, some like your lad and his mates clearly don't need it and are setting a fine example.Perhaps this should be used as a backstop for those who won't try to (or can't) better themselves?I’m with you on this IDM.It should be for the types who are out at night stealing from people, car thieves, drug dealers and anti social kids.Better for all involved than being sent to prison.Those like the ones mentioned by Turnbull shouldn’t be drafted.So someone like that should be helping out unsupervised at a MacMillan coffee morning?Why would they have to be unsupervised.
Quote from: drfchound on May 26, 2024, 09:18:51 amQuote from: ncRover on May 26, 2024, 09:17:24 amQuote from: drfchound on May 26, 2024, 09:11:07 amQuote from: IDM on May 26, 2024, 08:56:25 amQuote from: turnbull for england on May 26, 2024, 07:17:23 amMy lads 18, he's at work today . Been there since six , like yesterday saving up for Uni whilst he finishes his college course. Most of his mates are exactly same. What benefits would he be getting by presumably not being paid 'volunteering' in NHS or similar. I'm 51 old enough to have known blokes who did national service and described it as organised bullying doing menial tasks . If there is 1.5 billion to pay to develop the young as this fag packet panic proposal reckons it needs, there's equally same number of better ideas to spend it on.Maybe the National Service proposals shouldn't be aimed at everyone, as you rightly point out, some like your lad and his mates clearly don't need it and are setting a fine example.Perhaps this should be used as a backstop for those who won't try to (or can't) better themselves?I’m with you on this IDM.It should be for the types who are out at night stealing from people, car thieves, drug dealers and anti social kids.Better for all involved than being sent to prison.Those like the ones mentioned by Turnbull shouldn’t be drafted.So someone like that should be helping out unsupervised at a MacMillan coffee morning?Why would they have to be unsupervised.Exactly, that shows how this would turn in to a more expensive and disorganised mess, hound.I see what you’re saying in principle, but that isn’t what’s being proposed by Sunak. It’s for every 18 year old.
I'm all for it if it's paid, unpaid absolutely not. Just look at the countries that employ those kinds of schemes, ones that often are lauded as having better quality of life (Sweden, Denmark, France etc). It has legs if it was done correctly.