Oh Dear....

[Bentley Bullet]

Stopped watching it, the chairperson lets Sunak interrupt at will and talk over her and shuts Starmer down sharpish, well out of her depth

Bury your head in the sand and get a sore Gee gee!

Bloody Ref!   

Oh bugger, wrong forum. 

[Sprotyrover]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when they are forced  into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,500 teachers when the house of cards collapses!

[SydneyRover]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when that are forces into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,50o teachers when the house of cards collapses!

Why is state education such a mess?

 ''The National Audit Office estimates that over £11 billion is needed to repair the school estate.Mar 27, 2024''

https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/article-listing/government-must-increase-funds-for-school-repairs.html#:~:text=These%20schools%20should%20not%20have,to%20repair%20the%20school%20estate.

[wilts rover]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when that are forces into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,50o teachers when the house of cards collapses!

You know lots of people in the top 7% of society (which is who go to public school) what a world you move in.

As I said earlier some schools have been forced to close due to pupil numbers falling across the country. The more children who go to a school the more money that school gets to fund extra teachers/ta's.

What do you think happens now with children of different academic abilities in the same school?

[danumdon]

Dumbed down debate for a dumbed down electorate.

What a waste of an hour, we learnt absolutely nothing that we didn't already know.

Nothing to be gained from this type of TV froth.

[danumdon]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when that are forces into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,50o teachers when the house of cards collapses!

You know lots of people in the top 7% of society (which is who go to public school) what a world you move in.

As I said earlier some schools have been forced to close due to pupil numbers falling across the country. The more children who go to a school the more money that school gets to fund extra teachers/ta's.

What do you think happens now with children of different academic abilities in the same school?

So a straining state school sector could be about to be invaded by thousands of ex public school kids.

That will really help the progress of a great many kids who are in schools that are already feeling the pinch.

Would it not have helped these kids to have the additional burden not imposed on them by a poor law that will have greater consequences than it will alleviate.

[Sprotyrover]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when that are forces into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,50o teachers when the house of cards collapses!

You know lots of people in the top 7% of society (which is who go to public school) what a world you move in.

As I said earlier some schools have been forced to close due to pupil numbers falling across the country. The more children who go to a school the more money that school gets to fund extra teachers/ta's.

What do you think happens now with children of different academic abilities in the same school?

My kids went through state schools but as I said I know lots of folks on my pay band who sent their kids to private schools and if you’re on £50k per annum that’s a tight budget!

[wilts rover]

The debate summed up why Labour will win by a landslide.

The Tories have a shit record even Tories think is shit, let alone anyone else, and people just want them out. The end!

Owen Jones - appears to be the pundit of choice for some posters here

https://x.com/OwenJones84/status/1798101461659763150

[SydneyRover]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when that are forces into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,50o teachers when the house of cards collapses!

You know lots of people in the top 7% of society (which is who go to public school) what a world you move in.

As I said earlier some schools have been forced to close due to pupil numbers falling across the country. The more children who go to a school the more money that school gets to fund extra teachers/ta's.

What do you think happens now with children of different academic abilities in the same school?

My kids went through state schools but as I said I know lots of folks on my pay band who sent their kids to private schools and if you’re on £50k per annum that’s a tight budget!

So what's the problem?

[Sprotyrover]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when that are forces into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,50o teachers when the house of cards collapses!

You know lots of people in the top 7% of society (which is who go to public school) what a world you move in.

As I said earlier some schools have been forced to close due to pupil numbers falling across the country. The more children who go to a school the more money that school gets to fund extra teachers/ta's.

What do you think happens now with children of different academic abilities in the same school?

So a straining state school sector could be about to be invaded by thousands of ex public school kids.

That will really help the progress of a great many kids who are in schools that are already feeling the pinch.

Would it not have helped these kids to have the additional burden not imposed on them by a poor law that will have greater consequences than it will alleviate.

Not according to Wilts , in the leafy affluent part of England where he lives schools are shutting down due to lack of pupils, that isn’t the case in south Yorks most schools are over subscribed!

[Sprotyrover]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when that are forces into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,50o teachers when the house of cards collapses!

You know lots of people in the top 7% of society (which is who go to public school) what a world you move in.

As I said earlier some schools have been forced to close due to pupil numbers falling across the country. The more children who go to a school the more money that school gets to fund extra teachers/ta's.

What do you think happens now with children of different academic abilities in the same school?

My kids went through state schools but as I said I know lots of folks on my pay band who sent their kids to private schools and if you’re on £50k per annum that’s a tight budget!

So what's the problem?

sorry Syd what do you mean?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

78 applicants for 30 places at the school my kids go to for next year's reception take and they're about to start building hundreds of houses here aswell (which the local councillor told me labour would never allow apparently).

[SydneyRover]

Yeh people who send their kids to £48,000 a year private schools are really scrimping and scraping.

I know lots of people who borrow money to get their kids into Private Education. What you don’t understand is they are all top band achievers so when that are forces into the state schools system what happens to the kids who are a bit behind them  academically? They will get pushed down the ladder. Our state schools are struggling as it is, Labour will not be able to fund his 6,50o teachers when the house of cards collapses!

You know lots of people in the top 7% of society (which is who go to public school) what a world you move in.

As I said earlier some schools have been forced to close due to pupil numbers falling across the country. The more children who go to a school the more money that school gets to fund extra teachers/ta's.

What do you think happens now with children of different academic abilities in the same school?

My kids went through state schools but as I said I know lots of folks on my pay band who sent their kids to private schools and if you’re on £50k per annum that’s a tight budget!

So what's the problem?

sorry Syd what do you mean?

I mean that private schooling is voluntary, if you can't afford to send your kids there, then don't.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This comment has more sober analysis than anything in that car crash of a "debate" tonight.

https://x.com/phil_tinline/status/1798109678162837614

[Sprotyrover]

Syd there is a Private school in Donny say they have to close because most of the pupils are no longer able to attend as the parents who are not millionaires can’t afford the new fees, the kids will get soaked up by the best schools in Donny who will readily accept them as it will push up their academic scores, my Grandaughter is in such a school ,if she gets pushed down from the top group into a lower group she will not be receiving the same education as she was , likewise all the other kids who are not as academic will also be pushed down the ladder and alsowill lose out! That’s what I am getting at.
My own experience of school was going to a Comprehensive that was a merged Grammar and secondary modern, the teachers has clearly lost interest and we suffered, the fact that 60% of the lads didn’t give a toss as they were content to tread water and go down the Pit was also an issue!

[albie]

FFS, just like 2 bald fella's fighting over a comb.

More folk watching that will just think "I'm staying at home".

At least Mick Lynch was on Newsnight talking some sense;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1798107772879323136/pu/vid/avc1/1280x712/DAtaK3he3ek8xvJq.mp4?tag=12

[Sprotyrover]

FFS, just like 2 bald fella's fighting over a comb.

More folk watching that will just think "I'm staying at home".

At least Mick Lynch was on Newsnight talking some sense;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1798107772879323136/pu/vid/avc1/1280x712/DAtaK3he3ek8xvJq.mp4?tag=12

Yes a lot of sense there,Starmer not addressing the £2,000 tax hike is right!

[DonnyOsmond]

If it were a boxing match the ref would have stopped it. I almost feel sorry for Keir Starmer.

You can tell that the Tories are doing horrific in the polls when we've basically watched a 0-0 with 4 red cards and 2 injured players each and they're claiming the win.

[DonnyOsmond]

FFS, just like 2 bald fella's fighting over a comb.

More folk watching that will just think "I'm staying at home".

At least Mick Lynch was on Newsnight talking some sense;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1798107772879323136/pu/vid/avc1/1280x712/DAtaK3he3ek8xvJq.mp4?tag=12

Yes a lot of sense there,Starmer not addressing the £2,000 tax hike is right!

He said the figure was fabricated. He said tax rises only for the wealthy.

[Bentley Bullet]

FFS, just like 2 bald fella's fighting over a comb.

More folk watching that will just think "I'm staying at home".

At least Mick Lynch was on Newsnight talking some sense;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1798107772879323136/pu/vid/avc1/1280x712/DAtaK3he3ek8xvJq.mp4?tag=12

Yes a lot of sense there,Starmer not addressing the £2,000 tax hike is right!

He said the figure was fabricated. He said tax rises only for the wealthy.

If you believe that, then vote for him.

[Sprotyrover]

FFS, just like 2 bald fella's fighting over a comb.

More folk watching that will just think "I'm staying at home".

At least Mick Lynch was on Newsnight talking some sense;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1798107772879323136/pu/vid/avc1/1280x712/DAtaK3he3ek8xvJq.mp4?tag=12

Yes a lot of sense there,Starmer not addressing the £2,000 tax hike is right!

He said the figure was fabricated. He said tax rises only for the wealthy.

Ah the wealthy who pay lots of money to pay less tax and who have successfully done so for decades.
He would be better off taxing all Motorcars with a 2.0 litre engine of higher by £3 k a year that would bring in some revenue.

[Bentley Bullet]

If it were a boxing match the ref would have stopped it. I almost feel sorry for Keir Starmer.

You can tell that the Tories are doing horrific in the polls when we've basically watched a 0-0 with 4 red cards and 2 injured players each and they're claiming the win.

Just seen this!

I realise now that you are oblivious to the truth even when it is presented right in front of your eyes.

It was like the positions were reversed. Starmer's performance was of a desperate PM way down in the polls, whereas Sunak's performance was of a PM in waiting, although he obviously won't be.

[DonnyOsmond]

If it were a boxing match the ref would have stopped it. I almost feel sorry for Keir Starmer.

You can tell that the Tories are doing horrific in the polls when we've basically watched a 0-0 with 4 red cards and 2 injured players each and they're claiming the win.

Just seen this!

I realise now that you are oblivious to the truth even when it is presented right in front of your eyes.

It was like the positions were reversed. Starmer's performance was of a desperate PM way down in the polls, whereas Sunak's performance was of a PM in waiting, although he obviously won't be.

2% difference in the polling on tonight. Close battle. Simple.

[Bentley Bullet]

2% in whose favour?

[BillyStubbsTears]

FFS, just like 2 bald fella's fighting over a comb.

More folk watching that will just think "I'm staying at home".

At least Mick Lynch was on Newsnight talking some sense;
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1798107772879323136/pu/vid/avc1/1280x712/DAtaK3he3ek8xvJq.mp4?tag=12

Yes a lot of sense there,Starmer not addressing the £2,000 tax hike is right!

He said the figure was fabricated. He said tax rises only for the wealthy.

Exactly.

He specifically said that and it's true.

The Tories have pulled a fast one on this. They have, against all the rules, instructed civil servants to cost up what the Tory party have claimed Labour's spending will be. And they instructed the civil servants when doing so to make some highly dubious assumptions about growth under Labour.

Then they claim this is an independent analysis!

Then Labour gets criticised for not addressing these numbers in detail.

[Bentley Bullet]

Where the f**king hell has BST got this info from?

[TommyC]

Syd there is a Private school in Donny say they have to close because most of the pupils are no longer able to attend as the parents who are not millionaires can’t afford the new fees, the kids will get soaked up by the best schools in Donny who will readily accept them as it will push up their academic scores, my Grandaughter is in such a school ,if she gets pushed down from the top group into a lower group she will not be receiving the same education as she was , likewise all the other kids who are not as academic will also be pushed down the ladder and alsowill lose out! That’s what I am getting at.
My own experience of school was going to a Comprehensive that was a merged Grammar and secondary modern, the teachers has clearly lost interest and we suffered, the fact that 60% of the lads didn’t give a toss as they were content to tread water and go down the Pit was also an issue!

I read a lot about "red meat" being thrown to "swivel eyed loons" on the right. This schools policy is red meat for the hard of thinking of the left. Even The Guardian think its a crap idea.

Leaving aside ideological argument about perceived inequality craated by the presence of independent schools, the policy itself won't create any money and it won't reduce inequality. Surely if Labour were actually intent of doing something that genuinely would make a difference, they'd either ban independent schooling full stop or alternatively do something along the lines of insisting that private schools take on (and subsidise) 20% of pupils from backgrounds that can't afford it? The effect would still be to increase the fees for those that can afford it but it would be more akin to lifting more children up, rather than dragging down the private schools or the parents who do indeed make sacrifices to send their kids there.

At present, most private schools offer a bursary system anyway and in addition open up their very impressive facilities for the local community. I'd presume that is their nod to being "charitable". Presumably those efforts will disappear after this policy comes in. The majority of private schools will become even more exclusive and the divide even greater. Most kids are there on family money anyway. The parents who scrimp and save are the minority.

It's a poorly thought out, crass policy but it plays well for the masses.

[DonnyOsmond]

2% in whose favour?

Sunak, as you already know. Not quite the demolition job you believe happened.

[Donnywolf]

I'm cured

Debates between 2 people who might be PM in a month

Debates that won't change the way I think NOR more importantly the way I will vote

No doubt many on here , in the City , in the County and the Country will think the same so I am cured of watching them.

I wonder what percentage of the Electorate watched it ?

I wonder how many of the 13 million non Voters will have watched as they are classed as "the Electorate" even though they don't / won't bother

[SydneyRover]

Syd there is a Private school in Donny say they have to close because most of the pupils are no longer able to attend as the parents who are not millionaires can’t afford the new fees, the kids will get soaked up by the best schools in Donny who will readily accept them as it will push up their academic scores, my Grandaughter is in such a school ,if she gets pushed down from the top group into a lower group she will not be receiving the same education as she was , likewise all the other kids who are not as academic will also be pushed down the ladder and alsowill lose out! That’s what I am getting at.
My own experience of school was going to a Comprehensive that was a merged Grammar and secondary modern, the teachers has clearly lost interest and we suffered, the fact that 60% of the lads didn’t give a toss as they were content to tread water and go down the Pit was also an issue!

I read a lot about "red meat" being thrown to "swivel eyed loons" on the right. This schools policy is red meat for the hard of thinking of the left. Even The Guardian think its a crap idea.

Leaving aside ideological argument about perceived inequality craated by the presence of independent schools, the policy itself won't create any money and it won't reduce inequality. Surely if Labour were actually intent of doing something that genuinely would make a difference, they'd either ban independent schooling full stop or alternatively do something along the lines of insisting that private schools take on (and subsidise) 20% of pupils from backgrounds that can't afford it? The effect would still be to increase the fees for those that can afford it but it would be more akin to lifting more children up, rather than dragging down the private schools or the parents who do indeed make sacrifices to send their kids there.

At present, most private schools offer a bursary system anyway and in addition open up their very impressive facilities for the local community. I'd presume that is their nod to being "charitable". Presumably those efforts will disappear after this policy comes in. The majority of private schools will become even more exclusive and the divide even greater. Most kids are there on family money anyway. The parents who scrimp and save are the minority.

It's a poorly thought out, crass policy but it plays well for the masses.

Labour are not banning fee paying schools they are levelling up the tax system. It doesn't matter how many poor kids are given free places there are still only 7% of education provided by fee paying schools therefore the number of bursaries must be infinitely small. It plays well for me and labour are on the cards to win, suck it up.