Oh Dear....

[scawsby steve]

BBC's Friday election debate guests confirmed

Penny Mordaunt – Conservative Party
Angela Rayner – Labour Party
Daisy Cooper – Liberal Democrats
Stephen Flynn - Scottish National Party
Carla Denyer – Green Party
Rhun ap Iorwerth – Plaid Cymru
Nigel Farage – Reform UK

Why is Farage there and not Galloway, Binface, Corbyn and every other independent.

Reform tanked in the local elections and the RWP had 1 more MP in the last parliament than Reform have ever had?

Because he's good box office and, as I say, this is treated by the media as entertainment.

So is Binface.

I'd actually consider watching if he was on!

Me as well. Actually, if people think that was media based entertainment last night, just wait till Trump and Biden face off on TV.

That's definitely a double helping of popcorn for me.

[SydneyRover]

Scum is not a word I would use but it is used quite frequently by some drfc supporters to describe supporters of other football teams.

[Bentley Bullet]

The UK’s official statistics regulator is investigating Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour will hike household taxes by £2,000 if they win the election. Of course, everyone will find out the truth when the inevitable happens and Starmer becomes PM in July.

My biggest concern, which should be an even bigger one for those Starmer supporters who are honest enough to admit it, is his piss-poor performance that resulted in him being torn a new arsehole by someone 20 odd points behind him in the polls. God help us when he comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed. 

Even then, Sunak let Starmer off the hook by missing a trick that would have given him victory by a knock-out had he replied appropriately to one of Starmer's main get-out-of-answering tactics, which was to bring up Liz Truss on more than one occasion.

Sunak could have won by a knockout had he retaliated like for like and brought up Starmer's predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.

When our great new leader comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed, God help him.

...... And us!

[SydneyRover]

Starmer really gets under your skin aye bb? can't wait till he's the PM.

[drfchound]

Scum is not a word I would use but it is used quite frequently by some drfc supporters to describe supporters of other football teams.

Is it?

[i_ateallthepies]

Starmer's getting destroyed.....

Just remind me, BB, which of the two had the audience laughing out loud at him for what he was saying?  In your own time...

The UK’s official statistics regulator is investigating Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour will hike household taxes by £2,000 if they win the election. Of course, everyone will find out the truth when the inevitable happens and Starmer becomes PM in July.

My biggest concern, which should be an even bigger one for those Starmer supporters who are honest enough to admit it, is his piss-poor performance that resulted in him being torn a new arsehole by someone 20 odd points behind him in the polls. God help us when he comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed. 

Even then, Sunak let Starmer off the hook by missing a trick that would have given him victory by a knock-out had he replied appropriately to one of Starmer's main get-out-of-answering tactics, which was to bring up Liz Truss on more than one occasion.

Sunak could have won by a knockout had he retaliated like for like and brought up Starmer's predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.

When our great new leader comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed, God help him.

...... And us!

So you didn't watch Sunak getting laughed at then BB?

[Bentley Bullet]

Starmer's getting destroyed.....

Just remind me, BB, which of the two had the audience laughing out loud at him for what he was saying?  In your own time...

The UK’s official statistics regulator is investigating Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour will hike household taxes by £2,000 if they win the election. Of course, everyone will find out the truth when the inevitable happens and Starmer becomes PM in July.

My biggest concern, which should be an even bigger one for those Starmer supporters who are honest enough to admit it, is his piss-poor performance that resulted in him being torn a new arsehole by someone 20 odd points behind him in the polls. God help us when he comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed. 

Even then, Sunak let Starmer off the hook by missing a trick that would have given him victory by a knock-out had he replied appropriately to one of Starmer's main get-out-of-answering tactics, which was to bring up Liz Truss on more than one occasion.

Sunak could have won by a knockout had he retaliated like for like and brought up Starmer's predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.

When our great new leader comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed, God help him.

...... And us!

So you didn't watch Sunak getting laughed at then BB?

What has some of the audience laughing at something Sunak said got to do with Starmer's woeful performance?

[SydneyRover]

''Poll shows UK PM Sunak narrowly won first head to head UK election debate''

Reuters

''The results show a close tie
Tonight saw Rishi Sunak take on Keir Starmer in the first of three planned debates ahead of 4 July. Now a snap YouGov poll of 1,657 viewers reveals how people feel each party leader performed, and who they think came across best.

The results show a tie, with Rishi Sunak being seen as having given the best performance by 51% to Keir Starmer's 49%''

YouGov

''Independent readers defy YouGov poll and name Keir Starmer their winner after ITV general election debate''

etc ..........................

[IDM]

The UK’s official statistics regulator is investigating Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour will hike household taxes by £2,000 if they win the election. Of course, everyone will find out the truth when the inevitable happens and Starmer becomes PM in July.

My biggest concern, which should be an even bigger one for those Starmer supporters who are honest enough to admit it, is his piss-poor performance that resulted in him being torn a new arsehole by someone 20 odd points behind him in the polls. God help us when he comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed. 

Even then, Sunak let Starmer off the hook by missing a trick that would have given him victory by a knock-out had he replied appropriately to one of Starmer's main get-out-of-answering tactics, which was to bring up Liz Truss on more than one occasion.

Sunak could have won by a knockout had he retaliated like for like and brought up Starmer's predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.

When our great new leader comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed, God help him.

...... And us!

Ah, that unelected PM who trashed the economy.. didn’t realise it was Corbyn.!!

[Branton Red]

BBC's Friday election debate guests confirmed

Penny Mordaunt – Conservative Party
Angela Rayner – Labour Party
Daisy Cooper – Liberal Democrats
Stephen Flynn - Scottish National Party
Carla Denyer – Green Party
Rhun ap Iorwerth – Plaid Cymru
Nigel Farage – Reform UK

Why is Farage there and not Galloway, Binface, Corbyn and every other independent.

Reform tanked in the local elections and the RWP had 1 more MP in the last parliament than Reform have ever had?

Same format was used previously. Was just a pointless shouting match with people talking over each other.

Why are the SNP and Plaid there? 2 out of 7 of the parties present the majority of the population can't vote for.

And where is Ed Davey?! Surely appearing on prime time TV (regardless of the terrible format) would be more effective at raising his negligible public profile than deliberately throwing himself into lakes for the cameras?!!

[albie]

Most telling stat was the viewing figure of 4.8m, down 2m on the same set piece in 2019.

Dying on its feet, this form of political posturing.

[ChrisBx]

Sky News will have a better (albeit still flawed) format next week. Sunak and Starmer will separately be interviewed and take questions from a studio audience.

[drfchound]

Chris, do you think it might be a carefully selected audience?
(Tongue in cheek emoji here).

[DonnyOsmond]

The UK’s official statistics regulator is investigating Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour will hike household taxes by £2,000 if they win the election. Of course, everyone will find out the truth when the inevitable happens and Starmer becomes PM in July.

My biggest concern, which should be an even bigger one for those Starmer supporters who are honest enough to admit it, is his piss-poor performance that resulted in him being torn a new arsehole by someone 20 odd points behind him in the polls. God help us when he comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed. 

Even then, Sunak let Starmer off the hook by missing a trick that would have given him victory by a knock-out had he replied appropriately to one of Starmer's main get-out-of-answering tactics, which was to bring up Liz Truss on more than one occasion.

Sunak could have won by a knockout had he retaliated like for like and brought up Starmer's predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.

When our great new leader comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed, God help him.

...... And us!

Sunak will hike our taxes by £3,000 using the same logic.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/on-sunaks-maths-tories-will-lift-taxes-by-3000-per-household/

[Bentley Bullet]

If that's true, why didn't Starmer retaliate with those figures?

[DonnyOsmond]

If that's true, why didn't Starmer retaliate with those figures?

Because he didn't realise prior to the debate that Sunak was a nutjob and was going to pull a figure out of his arse and need to calculate the Tories version of that figure? Perhaps he wanted to debate as grown ups?

[danumdon]

I'd imagine that "Tax" is the very last subject that Starmer was wanting to have to an in depth debate on.

I'd also say that he has even more people waiting to start to interrogate his tax commitments when his manifesto arrives. It will be very difficult to hide major tax take in the small print and he's well aware of this issue.

[Bentley Bullet]

If that's true, why didn't Starmer retaliate with those figures?

Because he didn't realise prior to the debate that Sunak was a nutjob and was going to pull a figure out of his arse and need to calculate the Tories version of that figure? Perhaps he wanted to debate as grown ups?

Apparently, they knew about it two days previously.

[River Don]

I think they were aware of the figure and disputed it.

Whether they were aware of the method and assumptions the Tories made in calculating it is another thing.

[SydneyRover]

I'd imagine that "Tax" is the very last subject that Starmer was wanting to have to an in depth debate on.

I'd also say that he has even more people waiting to start to interrogate his tax commitments when his manifesto arrives. It will be very difficult to hide major tax take in the small print and he's well aware of this issue.

You are Sunak and I demand my ₤5

[i_ateallthepies]

Starmer's getting destroyed.....

Just remind me, BB, which of the two had the audience laughing out loud at him for what he was saying?  In your own time...

The UK’s official statistics regulator is investigating Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour will hike household taxes by £2,000 if they win the election. Of course, everyone will find out the truth when the inevitable happens and Starmer becomes PM in July.

My biggest concern, which should be an even bigger one for those Starmer supporters who are honest enough to admit it, is his piss-poor performance that resulted in him being torn a new arsehole by someone 20 odd points behind him in the polls. God help us when he comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed. 

Even then, Sunak let Starmer off the hook by missing a trick that would have given him victory by a knock-out had he replied appropriately to one of Starmer's main get-out-of-answering tactics, which was to bring up Liz Truss on more than one occasion.

Sunak could have won by a knockout had he retaliated like for like and brought up Starmer's predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.

When our great new leader comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed, God help him.

...... And us!

So you didn't watch Sunak getting laughed at then BB?

What has some of the audience laughing at something Sunak said got to do with Starmer's woeful performance?

The fact that they only laughed at Sunak?

[Bentley Bullet]

Starmer's getting destroyed.....

Just remind me, BB, which of the two had the audience laughing out loud at him for what he was saying?  In your own time...

The UK’s official statistics regulator is investigating Rishi Sunak’s claim that Labour will hike household taxes by £2,000 if they win the election. Of course, everyone will find out the truth when the inevitable happens and Starmer becomes PM in July.

My biggest concern, which should be an even bigger one for those Starmer supporters who are honest enough to admit it, is his piss-poor performance that resulted in him being torn a new arsehole by someone 20 odd points behind him in the polls. God help us when he comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed. 

Even then, Sunak let Starmer off the hook by missing a trick that would have given him victory by a knock-out had he replied appropriately to one of Starmer's main get-out-of-answering tactics, which was to bring up Liz Truss on more than one occasion.

Sunak could have won by a knockout had he retaliated like for like and brought up Starmer's predecessor Jeremy Corbyn.

When our great new leader comes up against someone of more significance than a bloke on his political deathbed, God help him.

...... And us!

So you didn't watch Sunak getting laughed at then BB?

What has some of the audience laughing at something Sunak said got to do with Starmer's woeful performance?

The fact that they only laughed at Sunak?

Sunak is in a position of responsibility so is bound to attract more negative responses from the audience. Starmer, whose job as leader of the opposition is to convince the audience of his intended policies for improvement, instead, for the great part spent his time condemning Sunak rather than promoting himself as a worthy replacement.

It was clear, on that showing that Starmer simply isn't a worthy replacement.

[i_ateallthepies]

Starmer certainly isn't a rabble rousing speaker of a politician and that will lead some people to take the view that he isn't a particularly inspiring leader and I would agree with them on that.  However watching the discussion on Newsnight yesterday the widely held view about the debate was that Starmer didn't go nearly hard enough on Sunak for the shit-show of the last fourteen years.  Who is right, my money is on them not you.

[Bentley Bullet]

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame Starmer for using the tactics he did, and perhaps the views on Newsnight that he should have spent even more time talking about the past Tory failures instead of his own policies is a good shout.

After all, he's not got a lot of his own policies to shout about.

[danumdon]

Starmer certainly isn't a rabble rousing speaker of a politician and that will lead some people to take the view that he isn't a particularly inspiring leader and I would agree with them on that.  However watching the discussion on Newsnight yesterday the widely held view about the debate was that Starmer didn't go nearly hard enough on Sunak for the shit-show of the last fourteen years.  Who is right, my money is on them not you.

The thing is, what your proposing to offer the electorate doesn't automatically become better just because the others parties was so poor!

Sometimes you have to stand behind your policy and let people know what it is, just slating the others doesn't impress everyone or improve anything.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Starmer certainly isn't a rabble rousing speaker of a politician and that will lead some people to take the view that he isn't a particularly inspiring leader and I would agree with them on that.  However watching the discussion on Newsnight yesterday the widely held view about the debate was that Starmer didn't go nearly hard enough on Sunak for the shit-show of the last fourteen years.  Who is right, my money is on them not you.

The thing is, what your proposing to offer the electorate doesn't automatically become better just because the others parties was so poor!

Sometimes you have to stand behind your policy and let people know what it is, just slating the others doesn't impress everyone or improve anything.

When the ruling party has made as many serious foul ups as this one, the first step for anyone who is hoping to replace them is to position themselves as the party who won't f**k up the country any more.

You have to remember that this lot have led us into the three most God awful economic policies since the Great Depression, and EVERY one (Austerity, Brexit and Trussonimics) came from a committment to ideology over economic sense.

In that light, saying you're going to be sensible on the economics is a revolutionary change.

[danumdon]

Saying your going to be sensible on the economics sounds great, but this fella has form on saying things and then deciding its not a runner. Does this not demonstrate an attitude that follows rather than leads and looks to focus groups to form policy which in effect just happens to be the current flavour of the day.

Until its not and we see more flipping and flopping.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Saying your going to be sensible on the economics sounds great, but this fella has form on saying things and then deciding its not a runner. Does this not demonstrate an attitude that follows rather than leads and looks to focus groups to form policy which in effect just happens to be the current flavour of the day.

Until its not and we see more flipping and flopping.

Surely you could say the same about almost all party leaders? I'm not saying that its right, but I'm sure you wouldn't have to look far to find instances where virtually every party leader for the past 40 years has done this.

[Bentley Bullet]

This Labour Party is a party of protest, not a party of government.

It can only lift itself up by bringing opponent parties down.

There will be nothing to hide behind when this Labour Party is in power.

[i_ateallthepies]

The Tories have needed no help in bringing themselves down BB.