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[DonnyOsmond]

Lad had a blinder today - let's celebrate that and the win eh..

I'd be up for that but glosterred decided to tell people that have perfectly valid views that they're wrong.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I thought he should have saved their goal if his hand was stronger but he made some great other saves today particularly late in injury time.

[DonnyNoel]

I'm on the fence but I'm going to share an opinion I have on what spearates some keepers from the others and you see this at the top level. The stats quoted in the OP show there are definite concerns around TSL. Then today he makes save after save after save.  I compare this to Paul Robinson, David James, Ben Foster, Mark Bosnic and plenty of keepers who looked amazing at lesser clubs, got a big move, and then failed because they didn't have the concentration levels to do nothing for 88 minutes then make the big save required.

For me, today, he's had a great game but needs to be keeping clean sheets against lower L2 teams.

But overall, yes, a great win and hopefully a springboard for better times to come in the league.

[ncRover]

Anyone still not convinced?



COYR

Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.

Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.

The “Goals Prevented” stat you’re referencing I think is good, but it’s purely about shot stopping.

Keepers can also cost you goals by :

- Not coming off their line quickly.
- Having poor handling with collecting crosses.
- Having poor distribution / making mistakes playing out from the back.

He’s great at those things. Our last few keepers (excluding TLT) have been poor at them.

[DonnyOsmond]

Anyone still not convinced?



COYR

Yeah 100%. Louis Jones had good games, made some good double saves, saved penalties... Yet the majority of the fans don't want him in goal.

Despite today the stats still show he costs us goals, despite what yourself and the people who liked the post think.

The “Goals Prevented” stat you’re referencing I think is good, but it’s purely about shot stopping.

Keepers can also cost you goals by :

- Not coming off their line quickly.
- Having poor handling with collecting crosses.
- Having poor distribution / making mistakes playing out from the back.

He’s great at those things. Our last few keepers have been poor at them.

I agree that he's good with those points but they would also end up being taken into consideration for what he's dealing with in regards to save percentage or prevented goals, and like I've mentioned before were talking about a 25 game, 2,000+ minute data set.

I do think what you've mentioned has an interesting point though, I think there's the possibility that he's better with those areas of his game than some of our previous keepers is why he is seen as better, despite his poor shot stopping ability.

[andyst79]

Show us these stats then

Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper

Fair play , on the face of it his stats don't look great , I'd argue they don't tell the full story but it is what it is.

[IDM]

Why do we as fans need such detailed stats?  Managers and coaches, performance analysts - yes, that’s fair enough..

But if football went according to the stats all the time, it wouldn’t be the emotional roller coaster that it is.

Stats are all well and good in their rightful place - but not to the extent of taking away the enjoyment.?

[Ye-Aul-Tavern]

I thought he should have saved their goal if his hand was stronger

Harsh that. Thought he did well to get anywhere near it given he was only getting up off the ground after the dive to try and save the initial shot.

[StocksArmy]

Should he have been sent off? I hope so. About time we had some luck!

[drfchound]

From where I was in the ground I thought he was nailed on to get sent off, as did everyone around me.
Having seen the clip of it, he did try to pull out of the challenge and there was a covering defender so maybe the ref got the right call.
Unusual for us to get lucky with that kind of thing though.

[StocksArmy]

Where have the highlights been posted please hound?

[drfchound]

Where have the highlights been posted please hound?

I have seen them on the bbc website and I think on here somewhere.
There is a clip from X which shows the TSL foul really clearly.
Sorry I’m not sure which thread I saw it on, maybe someone else will help us out.

[Metalmicky]

Where have the highlights been posted please hound?

Here you go mate...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c3wegv33qzwt

[Filo]

From where I was in the ground I thought he was nailed on to get sent off, as did everyone around me.
Having seen the clip of it, he did try to pull out of the challenge and there was a covering defender so maybe the ref got the right call.
Unusual for us to get lucky with that kind of thing though.

Having watched it again it was a nailed on red card, but for once we get away with it, I’ll take that

[Ryaldinhio]

From where I was in the ground I thought he was nailed on to get sent off, as did everyone around me.
Having seen the clip of it, he did try to pull out of the challenge and there was a covering defender so maybe the ref got the right call.
Unusual for us to get lucky with that kind of thing though.

Having watched it again it was a nailed on red card, but for once we get away with it, I’ll take that

I don't think it was nailed on red. 2 defenders there in close proximity. Yellow right for me.

[drfchound]

Where have the highlights been posted please hound?

Here you go mate...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c3wegv33qzwt

Cheers Mickey.

[Jonathan]

Their player blatantly tried to buy it. Went down way too easily. TSL made enough effort to withdraw.

[StocksArmy]

I have just posted and deleted my post. I’ve watched it again and it the correct decision. It’s a foul but Maxwell takes it off the player if he carries on.

[Chris Black come back]

Their player blatantly tried to buy it. Went down way too easily. TSL made enough effort to withdraw.

It might have been hard to see in the heat of the moment but the above is correct, when watching the reply. There was at worst a minor brush, and TSL clearly tried to stop himself making contact.

[i_ateallthepies]

Show us these stats then

Think I've named 3 sites in this thread you could have Googled and found the answer to but here you go.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/16/keepers/League-Two-Stats#all_stats_keeper

Stats can,and sometimes do lie.

Stats don't lie, it's the interpretation of them that can be lies.

[Colemans Left Hook]

was Sunday the day TSL became a man ?  I think so I have had my doubts but 

[Donnywolf]

You tube has extensive highlights as well

[Fal]

Thought TSL has been excellent especially in the last few games, pulled off some great saves.

DonnyO, respectfully would like your view on his recent performances after slating him.

[GazLaz]

The save from the overhead kick was good. Hard to predict where they are likely to go so just have to react.

[Iberian Red]

YSL is a good as we'll get in this league
I for one am thankful.

[jmt23]

I’d say as good as we can get in most levels, the lad is quality.

[CJK]

Yes, good performance today, some good reaction saves. Little bit slow to distribute at times but hopefully that will develop. Its noticeable we've started to keep a few cleans sheets lately.

[ncRover]

I’d offer him a contract.
Chelsea will probably let him go in the summer.

[mpc123]

I was so unsure about him early this season but obviously still supportive. He has grown into that performance today.

It's one of those positions that everything you do everyone is super critical as everything gets noticed.

Well done TSL.

[drfchound]

There were people in the south stand shouting for Teddy to release the ball more quickly but often there wasn’t a situation or a player he could give it to.
There is no point in just kicking it to halfway and hope one of our players gets it and it would often be suicide to give it to a defender who would instantly be under pressure.
Sometimes an early release just isn’t on.