DSA - Fly Doncaster Limited

[WheatleyRover]

Now I don't know anything about this type of stuff, but does anyone have any insight into what Fly Doncaster Ltd is that CDC have set up for the Airport? It says it's 100% owned by CDC and states it's an operator.

Obviously taking it with a pinch of salt but there are some rumours flying around that the operator has pulled out and CDC are going to run the Airport, or is this part of getting funding over 10 years to support the said Operator that would run the Airport! Just a bit confused as to what it is.

[Dagenham Rover]

I would think its to do with funding. I think the odd rumour about the operator really is just that, everything ive read it seems as if basically the the T's being crossed and I's being dotted. Its a bit more than buying a house and renting it out

[WheatleyRover]

I would think its to do with funding. I think the odd rumour about the operator really is just that, everything ive read it seems as if basically the the T's being crossed and I's being dotted. Its a bit more than buying a house and renting it out

Yeah definitely, that's what I thought. Really want this to happen for our City. Their is a guy on the Skyscraper City website on the DSA forum called Pug, who claims to know a bit about the aviation industry. And said it was a red flag there is no mention of the operator on the Fly Doncaster Ltd application, not in regards to a name but a reference to there being another party involved. Fingers crossed for good news soon.

[Dagenham Rover]

I would think its to do with funding. I think the odd rumour about the operator really is just that, everything ive read it seems as if basically the the T's being crossed and I's being dotted. Its a bit more than buying a house and renting it out

Yeah definitely, that's what I thought. Really want this to happen for our City. Their is a guy on the Skyscraper City website on the DSA forum called Pug, who claims to know a bit about the aviation industry. And said it was a red flag there is no mention of the operator on the Fly Doncaster Ltd application, not in regards to a name but a reference to there being another party involved. Fingers crossed for good news soon.

Yorkshire Post now reporting an exclusive that the operator pulled out and the company has been formed so the council can run the airport. Tbh at the moment they are reporting this  purely due to this company being set up.

Maybe the company has been set up so it can be run as a joint venture

[WheatleyRover]

Well this is concerning, do you have the text from the article? I can't see the article when going on the website as I'm not subscribed

[DRFC_AjA]

When we say the council could run the airport, in reality they'll outsource it to an airport operator? Or are we actually saying that the numpties who can't fix potholes, have previously been put in special measures because generally anyone who works at a council is a pen pushing red taperer will be let loose with millions of our council tax dollars to run an airport? If it's the latter, people actually want this?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I don't think the article is quite right and no doubt the authorities will comment at some point.

Ultimately no private company is going to stump up the cash for an asset they don't own and have doubts over. If the politicians believe in all the consultants they've had on this saying it will make money then they'll stump up the cash for the assets and allow an operator to run it for a fee.

[Dagenham Rover]

I don't think the article is quite right and no doubt the authorities will comment at some point.

Ultimately no private company is going to stump up the cash for an asset they don't own and have doubts over. If the politicians believe in all the consultants they've had on this saying it will make money then they'll stump up the cash for the assets and allow an operator to run it for a fee.

It seems like the YP has put 2+2 together and come up with 5    Marks post on a save dsa site

Great news today another milestone achieved with the government Subsidy Advisory Unit.
Some positive feedback in relation to the Subsidy proposed to FlyDoncaster.
The new company that's been set up to manage the project.
As far as I am aware, the next stage is to agree the release of gainshare funds from SYMCA.
Im told that City of Doncaster Council has there Full Council meeting tomorrow and an update from Mayor Ros is expected.
It's been reported in the Yorkshire Post today
and perhaps the YP is trying to sell newspapers
 That's there job honestly though !!
let's use a headline that perhaps doesn't quite ring true to cause a fuss and sell some news papers.
One last thing even with the controversial headline used by the Yorkshire Post
They still have a soon to be announced international operator for the day to day running of our airport.

[Filo]

Thunking about it, Yorkshire Post is based in Leeds, LBA want DSA airspace, Yorkshire post are batting for LBA

[Dagenham Rover]

Another from one of the save dsa pages  now as another aside one of the save dsa pages ( there are several) recently named admin is also admin for a LBA spotters fb page but claims he/she is totally behind the reopening      

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So to clear this up both YP and DFP articles state that CDC have failed to find a private operator, which is TOTALLY NOT TRUE.
Mark has said so many times that we have an INTERNATIONAL OPERATOR WAITING TO BE ANNOUNCED and nothing has changed we are still awaiting the announcement. It is my view that both YP and DFP have sewn massive confusion at this late stage. I say shame on you, to both newspapers, their reports are not mis leading but a downright LIE

[DonnyOsmond]

If they announced it they'd save the gossiping.

[DonnyOsmond]

If they announced it they'd save the gossiping.

Announced it?  Announced what?

The private operator who has experience in aviation.

[EasyforDennis]

If they announced it they'd save the gossiping.

Announced it?  Announced what? "Fly Doncaster" has been. It's 3 bods from Doncaster Council with zero experience of aviation or anything connected. 3 people who have as much business experience and knowledge of running companies as Angela No Brainer or the average Labour front bench. One has been a school teacher, for a short while,   and then like the other two followed a career in local govt. That's it. Nothing!
You'd think someone with experience would be involved,  someone connected with aviation?  No, this is an exercise in futility, a public relations adventure to be mentioned lots when it comes to election day.
 We know Doncaster Council ALONE are attempting to commit £100 million, nothing from other South Yorkshire areas ( apart from money commited to setting up "Fly Doncaster ", a council enterprise and nothing else) and zero, zilch from Central Government, no money and no proposals or direction turning the site into a thriving aviation hub. Rachel from the complaints dept is about to commit a huge amount of money to building a third runway at Heathrow though. 
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It seems your negativity on the main chat site has spilt over onto the off-topic section.

[DonnyOsmond]

Personally I wanted to talk about our airport, not piss about talking about politics.

[roversdude]

Aiming for flights Spring 2026 according to news from Grandma Jones, also denying that the operator has pulled out.
Red Ed must be pulling his hair with this and extending Heathrow

[colincramb]

I’m pretty sure the vast majority of the borough (and surrounding areas) really want the airport to reopen and be a success. But the more i see on this, the more i think it’s just not financially viable and somebody somewhere is going to be picking up the tab to keep it going. Obviously this won’t be the private sector. So…

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

So far there's no money from government for it, so no change at all bar a speech saying they'll support it.

I hope it opens and is successful but it needs support.

[Muttley]

I was amazed to learn that more than 60% of the UK's air cargo goes through Heathrow, 16% through East Midlands and 11% through Stansted.

Surely all that 60% isn't generated in or destined for the south-east.

DSA only managed to capture 1% of this market when it was open - looks like a massive opportunity to me.

[DRFC_AjA]

BBC article today. So again the question why do you want either numpties from the council or 'sprcialists' running something that's a drain on tax ?

He claimed "a lot of airlines were paid to operate out of [DSA]" under the previous ownership, adding: "Their losses were underwritten, so the taxpayer ends up funding both the cost of the operation as well as the losses incurred by the airline."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dgz71712po

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BBC article today. So again the question why do you want either numpties from the council or 'sprcialists' running something that's a drain on tax ?

He claimed "a lot of airlines were paid to operate out of [DSA]" under the previous ownership, adding: "Their losses were underwritten, so the taxpayer ends up funding both the cost of the operation as well as the losses incurred by the airline."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dgz71712po

You have to take with a pinch of salt what a rival says, it's a massive threat to LBA.  Passenger flights should be part of but not the whole of the airport.  There's a massive opportunity if they do get it right.

Worth noting the accounts under the previous owners are totally worthless with so many things hived off, nor do they actually make much sense.

[Sprotyrover]

BBC article today. So again the question why do you want either numpties from the council or 'sprcialists' running something that's a drain on tax ?

He claimed "a lot of airlines were paid to operate out of [DSA]" under the previous ownership, adding: "Their losses were underwritten, so the taxpayer ends up funding both the cost of the operation as well as the losses incurred by the airline."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dgz71712po

You have to take with a pinch of salt what a rival says, it's a massive threat to LBA.  Passenger flights should be part of but not the whole of the airport.  There's a massive opportunity if they do get it right.

Worth noting the accounts under the previous owners are totally worthless with so many things hived off, nor do they actually make much sense.

On the 23rd January he was moaning to the YP as they expected to lose 20% of their custom to a re opened DSA
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/unfair-competition-leeds-bradford-airport-boss-hits-out-at-plan-to-give-doncaster-sheffield-airport-ps90m-public-subsidy-4956646

[DonnyOsmond]

We're watching him going through the stages of grief in the press.

[WheatleyRover]

I don't get how the Ryanair guy can say Doncaster is a hard sell, yet has flights going out of Teeside! I guess they're based at LBA

[Dagenham Rover]

I don't get how the Ryanair guy can say Doncaster is a hard sell, yet has flights going out of Teeside! I guess they're based at LBA

Probably thinks Peel are still behind it