Budget/Funds

[Ryaldinhio]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

It's been variously described in broad terms as 'decent' or 'good'. You've unliterally decided it's the seventh highest in the league.

I haven't decided anything.

It hasn't been described in broad terms.

"I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget that us".

Twice you've stated that.

If anyone else has been more specific than that in this thread, I'm happy to see it.

"I think" is not specific

"There aren't" is specific

See other threads for plenty of similar specific statements.

[vaya]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

It's been variously described in broad terms as 'decent' or 'good'. You've unliterally decided it's the seventh highest in the league.

I haven't decided anything.

It hasn't been described in broad terms.

"I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget that us".

Twice you've stated that.

If anyone else has been more specific than that in this thread, I'm happy to see it.

"I think" is not specific

"There aren't" is specific

See other threads for plenty of similar specific statements.

Assigning a position to where you think we rank is about as specific as it gets.

I'll let you point these other threads out though.

[mpc123]

Was there were some budgets released last month and we are around mid table?

[Padge_DRFC]

5th highest average attendance and club Doncaster makes it plausible we are top of one of the top.

Chesterfield knocking 500 more fans out a week than us this season I noticed.

[vaya]

5th highest average attendance and club Doncaster makes it plausible we are top of one of the top.

Chesterfield knocking 500 more fans out a week than us this season I noticed.

Will Grigg, John Fleck and Paddy Madden won't have been cheap.
Look where Chessie are in the league,  is Grant slightly over performing on budget and we're expecting a higher position based on his one time quote in the immediate aftermath of the play off defeat against Crewe?
It was T.Bramall who said "can we do it with less money,  we think we can", well if we're going on less money then perhaps playoffs is about par.
Remember the post from Silent Majority and the percentage of chance a club has of promotion through the playoffs, that may well be a better reflection of club ambition?

"Less money" than who? What's the benchmark for this?

[NickDRFC]

5th highest average attendance and club Doncaster makes it plausible we are top of one of the top.

Chesterfield knocking 500 more fans out a week than us this season I noticed.

Will Grigg, John Fleck and Paddy Madden won't have been cheap.
Look where Chessie are in the league,  is Grant slightly over performing on budget and we're expecting a higher position based on his one time quote in the immediate aftermath of the play off defeat against Crewe?
It was T.Bramall who said "can we do it with less money,  we think we can", well if we're going on less money then perhaps playoffs is about par.
Remember the post from Silent Majority and the percentage of chance a club has of promotion through the playoffs, that may well be a better reflection of club ambition?

One time quote? He’s said it repeatedly this season. I’ve even quoted him at the Meet the Owners which was as recently as January in this thread.

[vaya]

5th highest average attendance and club Doncaster makes it plausible we are top of one of the top.

Chesterfield knocking 500 more fans out a week than us this season I noticed.

Will Grigg, John Fleck and Paddy Madden won't have been cheap.
Look where Chessie are in the league,  is Grant slightly over performing on budget and we're expecting a higher position based on his one time quote in the immediate aftermath of the play off defeat against Crewe?
It was T.Bramall who said "can we do it with less money,  we think we can", well if we're going on less money then perhaps playoffs is about par.
Remember the post from Silent Majority and the percentage of chance a club has of promotion through the playoffs, that may well be a better reflection of club ambition?

"Less money" than who? What's the benchmark for this?

Don't know,  wasn't explained,  maybe it was better not to say, maybe he meant less than Notts County,  if so then maybe we're around where we should expect and not " come back to win the league"

Well if you don't know what the quote refers to, probably an idea not to use it then. It's just words taken out of context otherwise.

[mpc123]

5th highest average attendance and club Doncaster makes it plausible we are top of one of the top.

Chesterfield knocking 500 more fans out a week than us this season I noticed.

Will Grigg, John Fleck and Paddy Madden won't have been cheap.
Look where Chessie are in the league,  is Grant slightly over performing on budget and we're expecting a higher position based on his one time quote in the immediate aftermath of the play off defeat against Crewe?
It was T.Bramall who said "can we do it with less money,  we think we can", well if we're going on less money then perhaps playoffs is about par.
Remember the post from Silent Majority and the percentage of chance a club has of promotion through the playoffs, that may well be a better reflection of club ambition?

One time quote? He’s said it repeatedly this season. I’ve even quoted him at the Meet the Owners which was as recently as January in this thread.

It's a drive and motivational thing. He is setting his team a target and also trying to get the fans to move with him, get behind them as that is the key.

Ive never met such a miserable set of fans in my life. Positivity is key, keep going keep the positive message,  not Grant said we will win the league and we are only 3rd / 4th he is rubbish (in a high pitch voice.

There are ones on here that try to drive it but WOW , some of you could have bought Liverpool down of you had supported them..... unreal.

[NickDRFC]

5th highest average attendance and club Doncaster makes it plausible we are top of one of the top.

Chesterfield knocking 500 more fans out a week than us this season I noticed.

Will Grigg, John Fleck and Paddy Madden won't have been cheap.
Look where Chessie are in the league,  is Grant slightly over performing on budget and we're expecting a higher position based on his one time quote in the immediate aftermath of the play off defeat against Crewe?
It was T.Bramall who said "can we do it with less money,  we think we can", well if we're going on less money then perhaps playoffs is about par.
Remember the post from Silent Majority and the percentage of chance a club has of promotion through the playoffs, that may well be a better reflection of club ambition?

One time quote? He’s said it repeatedly this season. I’ve even quoted him at the Meet the Owners which was as recently as January in this thread.

It's a drive and motivational thing. He is setting his team a target and also trying to get the fans to move with him, get behind them as that is the key.

Ive never met such a miserable set of fans in my life. Positivity is key, keep going keep the positive message,  not Grant said we will win the league and we are only 3rd / 4th he is rubbish (in a high pitch voice.

There are ones on here that try to drive it but WOW , some of you could have bought Liverpool down of you had supported them..... unreal.

Get a grip. It’s possible to be happy with our position on the table but also concerned about our overall level of performance and have questions about certain decisions McCann has made.

This is a forum. People discuss things. That’s what it’s there for. I don’t get to many games but the last two I’ve been to, Wimbledon & Bromley, I’ve given the team my full support and seen the same from supporters who have similar reservations to me. When we play badly (or even play well) it’s not because of some words that a bunch of strangers write on an internet message board.

[Ryaldinhio]

5th highest average attendance and club Doncaster makes it plausible we are top of one of the top.

Chesterfield knocking 500 more fans out a week than us this season I noticed.

Will Grigg, John Fleck and Paddy Madden won't have been cheap.
Look where Chessie are in the league,  is Grant slightly over performing on budget and we're expecting a higher position based on his one time quote in the immediate aftermath of the play off defeat against Crewe?
It was T.Bramall who said "can we do it with less money,  we think we can", well if we're going on less money then perhaps playoffs is about par.
Remember the post from Silent Majority and the percentage of chance a club has of promotion through the playoffs, that may well be a better reflection of club ambition?

One time quote? He’s said it repeatedly this season. I’ve even quoted him at the Meet the Owners which was as recently as January in this thread.

It's a drive and motivational thing. He is setting his team a target and also trying to get the fans to move with him, get behind them as that is the key.

Ive never met such a miserable set of fans in my life. Positivity is key, keep going keep the positive message,  not Grant said we will win the league and we are only 3rd / 4th he is rubbish (in a high pitch voice.

There are ones on here that try to drive it but WOW , some of you could have bought Liverpool down of you had supported them..... unreal.

Well said that man.

[Ryaldinhio]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

It's been variously described in broad terms as 'decent' or 'good'. You've unliterally decided it's the seventh highest in the league.

I haven't decided anything.

It hasn't been described in broad terms.

"I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget that us".

Twice you've stated that.

If anyone else has been more specific than that in this thread, I'm happy to see it.

"I think" is not specific

"There aren't" is specific

See other threads for plenty of similar specific statements.

Assigning a position to where you think we rank is about as specific as it gets.

I'll let you point these other threads out though.

Maybe you should check the definition of a thought?

I'm sure you have seen the other threads, as we all have.

[vaya]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

It's been variously described in broad terms as 'decent' or 'good'. You've unliterally decided it's the seventh highest in the league.

I haven't decided anything.

It hasn't been described in broad terms.

"I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget that us".

Twice you've stated that.

If anyone else has been more specific than that in this thread, I'm happy to see it.

"I think" is not specific

"There aren't" is specific

See other threads for plenty of similar specific statements.

Assigning a position to where you think we rank is about as specific as it gets.

I'll let you point these other threads out though.

Maybe you should check the definition of a thought?

I'm sure you have seen the other threads, as we all have.

If you're not able to back up what you're claiming, then probably best we leave it there rather than just go round in circles.

People can read this thread and come to their own conclusions.

[Ryaldinhio]

So it seems no one can enlighten me. So why keep using it as an argument as to how well we should or shouldn't be doing?

Back to OP:

I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget than us.

Grant would know that too, doesn't mean he would shy away from being confident in winning the league still based on his and cliffs and the squads ability.

Not entirely sure you can simultaneously argue you don't know if our budget is good, bad or indifferent then benchmark half a dozen other clubs against it without contradicting yourself.

Based on attendances ambitions and signings I think it is plausible

All of which are assumptions you're making, then metaphorically hitting your head against a wall when other people assume things. You're trying to have it both ways.

No I'm not, because I have clearly said its presumptions, others have been quoting budgets and funds like it's fact and knowledge.

It's been variously described in broad terms as 'decent' or 'good'. You've unliterally decided it's the seventh highest in the league.

I haven't decided anything.

It hasn't been described in broad terms.

"I think there will be half a dozen teams in the league with a bigger budget that us".

Twice you've stated that.

If anyone else has been more specific than that in this thread, I'm happy to see it.

"I think" is not specific

"There aren't" is specific

See other threads for plenty of similar specific statements.

Assigning a position to where you think we rank is about as specific as it gets.

I'll let you point these other threads out though.

Maybe you should check the definition of a thought?

I'm sure you have seen the other threads, as we all have.

If you're not able to back up what you're claiming, then probably best we leave it there rather than just go round in circles.

People can read this thread and come to their own conclusions.

I don't have time to trawl through other threads in some attempt to justify this discussion with someone who is intent on going down a rabbit hole.

I have an opinion on what our budget is. I have never stated it as fact. Others state it as though it is fact. I was trying to find out if there was actually any basis for that position. If you don't know and can't add anything why bother replying?

[graingrover]

Ask the Shadow Board.

[Bills view]

It's amazing how defensive some people get about their view and find it impossible to acknowledge (they perhaps should have wrote it differently) or backtrack.

None of us are right all of the time and different views (sometimes not what we personally believe but well-reasoned) are what make a forum what it is.

[Ryaldinhio]

It's amazing how defensive some people get about their view and find it impossible to acknowledge (they perhaps should have wrote it differently) or backtrack.

None of us are right all of the time and different views (sometimes not what we personally believe but well-reasoned) are what make a forum what it is.

Totally agree. It's also forgotten that an opinion can't be wrong, people can disagree with it, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.

[BobG]

Now that, Ryaldinhio, is a more profound statement than many will realise. I've never thought of it like that before, but it's a belter. Thank you.

BobG

[Fal]

It's amazing how defensive some people get about their view and find it impossible to acknowledge (they perhaps should have wrote it differently) or backtrack.

None of us are right all of the time and different views (sometimes not what we personally believe but well-reasoned) are what make a forum what it is.

Totally agree. It's also forgotten that an opinion can't be wrong, people can disagree with it, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Well assuming facts or evidence back up the opposite of what you are saying then yes it can be wrong, just wanted to point that out.

[Ryaldinhio]

It's amazing how defensive some people get about their view and find it impossible to acknowledge (they perhaps should have wrote it differently) or backtrack.

None of us are right all of the time and different views (sometimes not what we personally believe but well-reasoned) are what make a forum what it is.

Well assuming facts back up the opposite of what you are saying then yes it can be wrong, just wanted to point that out.

Totally agree. It's also forgotten that an opinion can't be wrong, people can disagree with it, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.

An opinion is something that isn't based on facts.

But - I agree with what you are saying. Some people can be belligerent with their opinions despite being advised of the facts that's for sure.

[Draytonian III]

5th highest average attendance and club Doncaster makes it plausible we are top of one of the top.

Chesterfield knocking 500 more fans out a week than us this season I noticed.

Have you seen the price’s they are charging to renew their season tickets.
Also it’s their first season back in the league so it would be better IMO to compare attendances in couple of years time. They are getting the new ground syndrome, we all do it

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's amazing how defensive some people get about their view and find it impossible to acknowledge (they perhaps should have wrote it differently) or backtrack.

None of us are right all of the time and different views (sometimes not what we personally believe but well-reasoned) are what make a forum what it is.

Well assuming facts back up the opposite of what you are saying then yes it can be wrong, just wanted to point that out.

Totally agree. It's also forgotten that an opinion can't be wrong, people can disagree with it, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.

An opinion is something that isn't based on facts.

But - I agree with what you are saying. Some people can be belligerent with their opinions despite being advised of the facts that's for sure.

Wish I'd realised that before I started engaging wi folk online...