Budget

[Fal]

I won't argue about things I know nothing about like the budget and how it compares to other clubs in this league, but what I don't understand is that after seven games we had won 5, drawn 1, lost 1 and were 2nd in the table.

We had a terrific start and this is the same manager, squad and budget so how we ended up in 23rd now? What happened to us after the Bradford game that we can put our finger on?

Okay lets look at those wins shall we...

Exeter - Currently in the bottom 4
Port Vale - Currently in the bottom 4
Rotherham - Currently in the bottom 4
Mansfield - Were in the bottom 4 prior to the last round of fixtures
Bradford - Newly promoted like us so could've gone either way (Only anomoly in this list)
Peterborough - They were in the bottom 4 when they visited us

Bradford aside based on current form we haven't beaten anybody worth any salt this season. Our problems stem from not being able to keep a lead, see Burton, Wycombe, Northampton, Plymouth, Wimbledon at home, we could've been 13 points better off had we not thrown it away.

However, i cant wait for the inevitable meltdown when Bailey McCann is announced as the long term plan signing.

[silent majority]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

[Sven Vath]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

And the problem with people like you is that  you are always on the side of the owners (Ryan aside), it wouldn't surprise me if they looked at the statement before you  realised it. You then wonder when people question what you say.

Bramhall have done alot a good thing for this club and we should be very grateful, but we are not aiming for the championship. 

[In the box]

Why do we have a large squad if we can’t rely on most of them being selected  when needed . I would be inviting out of contract players for trails throughout the season if only to keep the rest on their toes .. it’s just as well we’re in league1 as falling into L2 isn’t  as bad ad falling out of League altogether!!

[Chris Black come back]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

And the problem with people like you is that  you are always on the side of the owners (Ryan aside), it wouldn't surprise me if they looked at the statement before you  realised it. You then wonder when people question what you say.

Bramhall have done alot a good thing for this club and we should be very grateful, but we are not aiming for the championship. 

Not sure he deserved that. We’re all on the same side!

[Sven Vath]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

And the problem with people like you is that  you are always on the side of the owners (Ryan aside), it wouldn't surprise me if they looked at the statement before you  realised it. You then wonder when people question what you say.

Bramhall have done alot a good thing for this club and we should be very grateful, but we are not aiming for the championship. 

Not sure he deserved that. We’re all on the same side!

Definitely not on the side of all Rovers fans... far to many have been either banned or limited to viewing only. Take Campsall for starters.

[TonySoprano]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

You said in your first post on this thread that we've got a top half budget in league 1.

Mcann said we had a top 7 budget last season.

You said the budget has gone up 2 million from last season to this.

Now, what im saying is. That it is very hard to believe that an extra 2 million in the budget would take us from 7th in leage 2 to top half in league 1.

[vaya]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

You said in your first post on this thread that we've got a top half budget in league 1.

Mcann said we had a top 7 budget last season.

You said the budget has gone up 2 million from last season to this.

Now, what im saying is. That it is very hard to believe that an extra 2 million in the budget would take us from 7th in leage 2 to top half in league 1.

Are you sure it says 'top half budget in League One'?

[drfcsteve]

Credit to the VSC, with some of our fan base I’m grateful they haven’t just given up by now.