Budget

[Fal]

I won't argue about things I know nothing about like the budget and how it compares to other clubs in this league, but what I don't understand is that after seven games we had won 5, drawn 1, lost 1 and were 2nd in the table.

We had a terrific start and this is the same manager, squad and budget so how we ended up in 23rd now? What happened to us after the Bradford game that we can put our finger on?

Okay lets look at those wins shall we...

Exeter - Currently in the bottom 4
Port Vale - Currently in the bottom 4
Rotherham - Currently in the bottom 4
Mansfield - Were in the bottom 4 prior to the last round of fixtures
Bradford - Newly promoted like us so could've gone either way (Only anomoly in this list)
Peterborough - They were in the bottom 4 when they visited us

Bradford aside based on current form we haven't beaten anybody worth any salt this season. Our problems stem from not being able to keep a lead, see Burton, Wycombe, Northampton, Plymouth, Wimbledon at home, we could've been 13 points better off had we not thrown it away.

However, i cant wait for the inevitable meltdown when Bailey McCann is announced as the long term plan signing.

[silent majority]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

[Sven Vath]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

And the problem with people like you is that  you are always on the side of the owners (Ryan aside), it wouldn't surprise me if they looked at the statement before you  realised it. You then wonder when people question what you say.

Bramhall have done alot a good thing for this club and we should be very grateful, but we are not aiming for the championship. 

[In the box]

Why do we have a large squad if we can’t rely on most of them being selected  when needed . I would be inviting out of contract players for trails throughout the season if only to keep the rest on their toes .. it’s just as well we’re in league1 as falling into L2 isn’t  as bad ad falling out of League altogether!!

[Chris Black come back]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

And the problem with people like you is that  you are always on the side of the owners (Ryan aside), it wouldn't surprise me if they looked at the statement before you  realised it. You then wonder when people question what you say.

Bramhall have done alot a good thing for this club and we should be very grateful, but we are not aiming for the championship. 

Not sure he deserved that. We’re all on the same side!

[Sven Vath]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

And the problem with people like you is that  you are always on the side of the owners (Ryan aside), it wouldn't surprise me if they looked at the statement before you  realised it. You then wonder when people question what you say.

Bramhall have done alot a good thing for this club and we should be very grateful, but we are not aiming for the championship. 

Not sure he deserved that. We’re all on the same side!

Definitely not on the side of all Rovers fans... far to many have been either banned or limited to viewing only. Take Campsall for starters.

[TonySoprano]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

You said in your first post on this thread that we've got a top half budget in league 1.

Mcann said we had a top 7 budget last season.

You said the budget has gone up 2 million from last season to this.

Now, what im saying is. That it is very hard to believe that an extra 2 million in the budget would take us from 7th in leage 2 to top half in league 1.

[vaya]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

The problem with people like you is that you cherry pick bits of information and then reinterpret that to make a different point.

You should reread what I posted and point out where I’ve said what you’ve just claimed.

You said in your first post on this thread that we've got a top half budget in league 1.

Mcann said we had a top 7 budget last season.

You said the budget has gone up 2 million from last season to this.

Now, what im saying is. That it is very hard to believe that an extra 2 million in the budget would take us from 7th in leage 2 to top half in league 1.

Are you sure it says 'top half budget in League One'?

[drfcsteve]

Credit to the VSC, with some of our fan base I’m grateful they haven’t just given up by now.

[Dagenham Rover]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

I would suggest SM knows a damn sight more than you do about DRFC

[In the box]

Will ploughing cash solve the problem or just will better due diligence before a player is signed be the answer.
We lost a lot players when promoted from L2 and it showed  that some were signed in haste and some were just not upto L1 standard at all  . Loans have been on top many occasions been brought in only give a false impression of the quality of the squad over all but saved our season . DRFC is not a progressive football club until it solves it need for loans and starts bringing through home grown talent and stop signing other clubs wastes ..

[Sven Vath]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

I would suggest SM knows a damn sight more than you do about DRFC

Of course his does. Whenever something needs to be said. A bit like a superhero coming out of the shadows!!

[Fal]

At least we know now who the idiots in the south stand slagging our own players are!

[silent majority]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

I would suggest SM knows a damn sight more than you do about DRFC

Of course his does. Whenever something needs to be said. A bit like a superhero coming out of the shadows!!

Lol, I have to laugh, nothing could be further from the truth.

That's just made-up nonsense. I hold them to account more than anybody, which is a vital role for a supporters trust.

[In the box]

So, here we go again, all the budget experts are out again I see.

It never ceases to amaze me that when we're doing well its because we have a great manager and when we're not its because our budget is shit.

In recent months the VSC was invited to go through the accounts for the last financial year, and at the same time we went through the budget for this year as well. So I don't speak from a position of having to guess what we spent on and off the pitch, I have it here in front of me on my desk. Those decrying the state of our budget would be very wrong as its more than a healthy budget, more than enough to keep us firmly in this division. The difference in the budget from last year (when nobody moaned about it as we finished top of the division) and this years is quite stark, with at least another £2m allocated to the playing squad.

According to the financial league tables issued by the EFL, a point I've made on numerous occasions as a part and parcel of financial fair play regulations puts us firmly in the top half of the division. The EFL issue these numbers on a fairly regular basis throughout the season so as to curb the impulses of football clubs to spend more on the playing budget for a fear of missing out. Its certainly not done to encourage clubs to spend more!

As a rule of thumb you would expect clubs that spent the 5th most money should be in and around the top 5, those who spent the 10th should be in and around the middle of the table etc etc. So how does that account for managers then? Shouldn't the ability of managers shine through as well? If you classed yourself as an above average manager shouldn't you be able to pitch your team several positions above what your budget dictates? If managers could only ever achieve what their budget dictated then why spend so much time, effort, and money on looking for better managers?

And once that has been taken into account should the facilities also play a part? The quality of the training ground and gym should count too shouldn’t it?

The point I'm making is that success on a football pitch is a complex picture of all sorts of variables, and pointing a finger at the budget every time we play poorly is not the black and white picture some people seem to think it is. I have my own theories as to why we struggle in areas that we shouldn’t necessarily.

And I can assure all those negative and pessimistic individuals who appear and state with such conviction that its the budget that’s wrong that it quite clearly isn't, its a healthy budget for a team and club like ours, and the documents on my desk bear that out.

Is there a direct correlation with where you eventually end up and the budget or is it just down to how you spend the budget and what you achieve when it’s been spent . Because our expectations were born of what was said prior about attacking the league to get into a playoff place and now loans being sent back and the lack of goals down to not having a full time striker who’s still young enough to be called a prospect !!

[les@donr]

A lot of the time it’s not how much money there is in the budget that makes the difference, but how well it is spent. A manager might be given a multi million pound budget and squander it. Whereas another manager might be given a half million budget and uses it wisely to bring in quality players that improve the quality of the team. I think this is the problem for Rovers this season, money has been squandered on substandard L1 players. Whereas, we should have gone for quality over quantity,, even offloading players that are clearly not of L1 standard. Grant was not ruthless enough during the Summer, as a consequence we have a bloated squad of L2 quality players, and we are where in the League because of the poor choices made of player recruitment and player retention.

[i_ateallthepies]

We'll have a great squad for next season 

[DonnyOsmond]

So, here we go again, all the budget experts are out again I see.

It never ceases to amaze me that when we're doing well its because we have a great manager and when we're not its because our budget is shit.

In recent months the VSC was invited to go through the accounts for the last financial year, and at the same time we went through the budget for this year as well. So I don't speak from a position of having to guess what we spent on and off the pitch, I have it here in front of me on my desk. Those decrying the state of our budget would be very wrong as its more than a healthy budget, more than enough to keep us firmly in this division. The difference in the budget from last year (when nobody moaned about it as we finished top of the division) and this years is quite stark, with at least another £2m allocated to the playing squad.

According to the financial league tables issued by the EFL, a point I've made on numerous occasions as a part and parcel of financial fair play regulations puts us firmly in the top half of the division. The EFL issue these numbers on a fairly regular basis throughout the season so as to curb the impulses of football clubs to spend more on the playing budget for a fear of missing out. Its certainly not done to encourage clubs to spend more!

As a rule of thumb you would expect clubs that spent the 5th most money should be in and around the top 5, those who spent the 10th should be in and around the middle of the table etc etc. So how does that account for managers then? Shouldn't the ability of managers shine through as well? If you classed yourself as an above average manager shouldn't you be able to pitch your team several positions above what your budget dictates? If managers could only ever achieve what their budget dictated then why spend so much time, effort, and money on looking for better managers?

And once that has been taken into account should the facilities also play a part? The quality of the training ground and gym should count too shouldn’t it?

The point I'm making is that success on a football pitch is a complex picture of all sorts of variables, and pointing a finger at the budget every time we play poorly is not the black and white picture some people seem to think it is. I have my own theories as to why we struggle in areas that we shouldn’t necessarily.

And I can assure all those negative and pessimistic individuals who appear and state with such conviction that its the budget that’s wrong that it quite clearly isn't, its a healthy budget for a team and club like ours, and the documents on my desk bear that out.

Is there a direct correlation with where you eventually end up and the budget or is it just down to how you spend the budget and what you achieve when it’s been spent . Because our expectations were born of what was said prior about attacking the league to get into a playoff place and now loans being sent back and the lack of goals down to not having a full time striker who’s still young enough to be called a prospect !!

The research shows that over long term there's a correlation, but just as a season you can over achieve or under achieve your budget.

[TonySoprano]

It seems that despite posting actual and factual information on here that's not enough for the naysayers on the forum. Look I understand your frustration, most of it is born out of wanting the club to do well, but your constant bickering over the budget and its shortcomings are not the answer. Challenging what I've posted only makes you look more naive, and I won't be challenging you on a post by post basis in order to justify what I know to be the case. But here goes;

The budget we had last season was really good by LG2 standards, it was meant to give us a fighting chance of promotion, which it did. But to make sure we got there an extra £0.5m was pumped into the playing squad, and that was the gamble the club made which proved successful.

The revenue from Central Distribution (the EFL money) last season was estimated at £1.3m but ended up being about £1.7m. The estimate for this season is £2.7m, giving us an extra £1m thereabouts but the playing budget has an extra £2m or more. This has to come from somewhere. Most of that will come from ticket revenue, and for this season we should see another £0.6m, the rest will hopefully come from commercial and other areas, but at the end of the day we are a club that runs at a loss, a smaller one than quite a number of clubs but that shouldn't decry from the efforts of the staff to make ends meet, but also the underwriting of all debts falls to one man.

That man underwrote the extra monies needed for what have been expensive, and much needed improvements throughout the club, especially at Cantley Park. He has been more generous than any single individual has done in all my years of supporting this club, and I go back a long way! He doesn’t lack ambition as some people say, he just displays it in a different way.

And finally, its the EFL who tell you where you are when it comes to your position in the budget league table. They’re the ones who have all that information to hand, so when the club tell you they have a top half playing budget, or a top six budget that is again a fact that is unarguable. That information comes from the EFL. Its not debatable, its a fact. These are the details that any club has to submit to the EFL to make sure they comply with FFP, and at the end of the day any club that fails to meet these requirements ends up on the EFL naughty step, just look at SWFC for confirmation!

More people should be thankful for the VSC and the work we do on your behalf, when it goes wrong we're the first to see it. We're not here to protect the club at any cost, and believe me you don't see half of what goes on behind the scenes to try and keep the club as honest as we can, but there's no point in flipping our lid over something that doesn’t exist. As I said in my previous post I have my thoughts on where things are going wrong, but all this focus on the playing budget is just wrong.

mcann said last season we've got a top 7 budget, and now your claiming ( in your other post) that we now have a top half budget in league 1. But with only an extra 2 million put in.

Dubious claim at best.

I would suggest SM knows a damn sight more than you do about DRFC

Of course his does. Whenever something needs to be said. A bit like a superhero coming out of the shadows!!

Lol, I have to laugh, nothing could be further from the truth.

That's just made-up nonsense. I hold them to account more than anybody, which is a vital role for a supporters trust.

Its a valid point im making.
Your making a claim thats got more holes than the Ukrainian Navy, and when questioned on it you cant provide any evidence.