Anyone got Wilson for MOM v Newcastle?

[Filo]

Wellred wrote:

Hope you are sitting down Filo but I have to agree with you. Up until he gave the goal away he was playing well. Unfortunately after his mistake his game went downhill.

Yeah i`ll give you that one, he did seem to let the mistake affect him, but after he was subbed we looked totally devoid of ideas.


And luckily I was sitting down as I read that post  

[RedRockets]

pigeonhole wrote:

I don't see how his comments hold any more weight than us on here.  Wilson is not a Championship quality footballer.  If he sprinted after every ball, wound up the opposition and tackled with his face he'd be everyone's favourite player.  Loyal and adequate yes.  A skillful winner, no.  I could forgive his lack of skill if he tackled with his face.

so you'd rather have someone in his place who does one too many tricks and gives the ball away constantly or can't beat the first defender?

[VikingJames]

donnygreenjeans wrote:

The word i am thinking of when people mention Wilson is......scapegoat! Fans will always pick out the bad things he has done in a game no matter if he has a good game,  if sharp,stock,shiels or any other player has a bad game or does somethings wrong in a game it hardly gets mentioned  but when Wilson does something wrong people go on and on and basically it pisses me right off.

By the same measure, when he has a decent game, everyone comes on here making out that he is some sort of midfield maestro.

[RedRockets]

VikingJames wrote:

Er, because he gives it away every time he tries to pass it further than 5 yards.

gave the ball away once maybe twice in the game, one of which being a crap pass originally from Hayter leaving him with no options available...
he created some of the most openings for us tonight, so lets all stop talking rubbish

[Wellred]

Filo wrote:

Wellred wrote:

Hope you are sitting down Filo but I have to agree with you. Up until he gave the goal away he was playing well. Unfortunately after his mistake his game went downhill.

Yeah i`ll give you that one, he did seem to let the mistake affect him, but after he was subbed we looked totally devoid of ideas.


And luckily I was sitting down as I read that post  

What happened to the passing football we have enjoyed so much this season in the second half?
At one point I thought Kevin Blackwell and Sod had swapped clubs we were hoofing it forward that much.

[Filo]

VikingJames wrote:

donnygreenjeans wrote:

The word i am thinking of when people mention Wilson is......scapegoat! Fans will always pick out the bad things he has done in a game no matter if he has a good game,  if sharp,stock,shiels or any other player has a bad game or does somethings wrong in a game it hardly gets mentioned  but when Wilson does something wrong people go on and on and basically it pisses me right off.

By the same measure, when he has a decent game, everyone comes on here making out that he is some sort of midfield maestro.

If you look at the first post in this thread, it`s a Wilson bashing post, noone is making out he`s a maestro, they`re just defending him from some uncalled for criticism

[donnygreenjeans]

VikingJames wrote:

donnygreenjeans wrote:

The word i am thinking of when people mention Wilson is......scapegoat! Fans will always pick out the bad things he has done in a game no matter if he has a good game,  if sharp,stock,shiels or any other player has a bad game or does somethings wrong in a game it hardly gets mentioned  but when Wilson does something wrong people go on and on and basically it pisses me right off.

By the same measure, when he has a decent game, everyone comes on here making out that he is some sort of midfield maestro.

Even the people who don't like him? Who are you kidding? Basically if your not a 'fans favourite' then you've got no hope of winning fans over!

[Akinfenwa]

Typical Wilson really. Does well to win the ball and then ruins his hard work by giving it away afterwards too often. This happens week in week out, I've seen it. The difference today being that it was against a side with quality players who punished the mistake. If Willo had the composure to play the simple pass after winning the ball and leave the intricate passes to the flair players then we'd have a decent defensive midfielder.

[RedRockets]

U'd all be gutted if Wilson didnt play...then who would you decide to pick on and whinge aimlessly about?

[The L J Monk]

I rate Wilson and think the treatment he receives from some people is outrageous. However, I think Gillett offers a little bit more pace and tenacity in that position - I hope we can pick him up from Southampton in the summer.

[VikingJames]

Filo wrote:

If you look at the first post in this thread, it`s a Wilson bashing post, noone is making out he`s a maestro, they`re just defending him from some uncalled for criticism

Not really referring to today. Every time he puts in a mildly acceptable performance, there are always threads on here spouting how well he played and how the critics should shut up. If any other player performed to the same slightly above average level, they wouldn't get a mention.

I wouldn't criticise a Rovers player for the sake of it if I didn't have reason to. I just don't think he is good enough, and I find it slightly baffling how some people kid themselves into thinking that he is the solution to our midfield problems.

[SkellowRover]

Oster was head and shoulders above everyone else today imo. I can't understand how robbo got motm, i thought he had his poorest game for a while, especially in the 2nd half. I'm not used to seeing him not make attacking runs, having said that he did have his hands full because i thought routledge was their best player along with gutherie so robbo was always being forced back.

[Filo]

VikingJames wrote:

and I find it slightly baffling how some people kid themselves into thinking that he is the solution to our midfield problems.

You see thats why your baffled, no one has said he`s the solution to our midfield problems, for the most part of the season he`s been a squad player, it`s only since Stock got injured and Gillet went back to Southampton that Wilson has got in the team. He`s not a flair player, he`s a grafter, someone who`s prepared to do the ugly things so that the flair players can do their stuff. He`s no world beater but he does a job and comes in for a lot of uncalled for stick

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Oster shone for sure. I think he needed a bit of help earlier in the second half. I think Mutch, JET, Spicer could have been given longer when there's nothing to lose.

Pick on Wilson all you like. He made an error by trying to be positive. Had he lifted the pass over the player as intended there wouldn't have been a problem. Had JOC not have let Carroll get goalside, there would not have been a problem. Had Sullivan not let Carroll give him the eye and go to ground early, there wouldn't have been a problem.

All players make mistakes from time to time, it's just we chose to have selective memories when it comes to looking for scapegoats.

[bigdonnyboy]

Wilson had a good solid game up until that pass. About 5 mins later JOC made a bad pass and they attacked and we just managed to scramble the ball away from goal. JOC got lucky and Wilson didn't it is as simple as that. It makes me feel ashamed to be a Donny fan when it puts me in the same group as some of the morons who come on here and continously slate Wilson, you should be supporting all our players all of the time. You definately have issues in your life that make you bitter and twisted so you target a player trying his best for the club. I'm suprised that some of you are allowed to have a computer at all in the institution, instead of the usual sheet of paper and wax crayons!

[VikingJames]

RedRockets wrote:

U'd all be gutted if Wilson didnt play...then who would you decide to pick on and whinge aimlessly about?

So you are saying that people criticise Wilson for the sake of it? Nonsense.

It's a typical pro-Wilson view to make out that people pick on him for the fun of doing it. Not the case. I just genuinely don't think that he is good enough, based on the evidence of watching the guy play for Rovers for the past 3 and a half years. Mind you, it is quite an easy way of defending him isn't it; making out that everybody picks on him for the sake of it rather than actually providing an argument as to why he IS good enough to play in a Championship midfield.

[bigdonnyboy]

No argument would ever convince you VJ so what is the point of even asking that question. The fact that he has played at least 25 games for us this season says he is good enough to play in the championship. No amount of your dross can change that fact so you obviously don't know shit!

[NathanDRFC]

pigeonhole wrote:

Shornton wrote:

John Buckley made a good comment on the commentary,\"people who dont know much about the game dont't like the boy Wilson\"

His words

John Buckley was a good player, wasn't he?  And he's famous for spotting a talented player.  Hang on...John Buckley?  Jobbing footballer and crap girl's football coach...?  

I don't see how his comments hold any more weight than us on here.  Wilson is not a Championship quality footballer.  If he sprinted after every ball, wound up the opposition and tackled with his face he'd be everyone's favourite player.  Loyal and adequate yes.  A skillful winner, no.  I could forgive his lack of skill if he tackled with his face.

I think you wil find John is highly regarded for his coaching ability within the local area and nationally. Also John does an awful lot of work in the local community.

[TheRev]

VikingJames wrote:

RedRockets wrote:

U'd all be gutted if Wilson didnt play...then who would you decide to pick on and whinge aimlessly about?

So you are saying that people criticise Wilson for the sake of it? Nonsense.

It's a typical pro-Wilson view to make out that people pick on him for the fun of doing it. Not the case. I just genuinely don't think that he is good enough, based on the evidence of watching the guy play for Rovers for the past 3 and a half years. Mind you, it is quite an easy way of defending him isn't it; making out that everybody picks on him for the sake of it rather than actually providing an argument as to why he IS good enough to play in a Championship midfield.

In answer to your question - Yes YOU do. Every week.

[VikingJames]

Filo wrote:

You see thats why your baffled, no one has said he`s the solution to our midfield problems, for the most part of the season he`s been a squad player, it`s only since Stock got injured and Gillet went back to Southampton that Wilson has got in the team. He`s not a flair player, he`s a grafter, someone who`s prepared to do the ugly things so that the flair players can do their stuff. He`s no world beater but he does a job and comes in for a lot of uncalled for stick

I dispute the first point for starters. Wilson has started 22 games this season. I find it very difficult to believe that we have had to use him as a last resort on 22 occasions, which would mean that Fortune/Stock/Gillett have all been out of the side for 22 out of our 38 games. Also, I remember a period in around December time when we had Wilson in the midfield alongside as Gillett, which sort of shows that Wilson has not been used as a last resort when Gillett etc weren't available (and I think for the Sheffield Wednesday home match, he was actually picked INSTEAD of Gillett!) So really, the view that he has been a bit part player/last resort is a bit of a myth.

And what exactly are these 'ugly' things that he does? Misses tackles and headers? Misplaces countless passes? I think 'he does the ugly stuff' is a bit of a cover up for the fact that he does very little.

[SkellowRover]

I seriously don't understand why people get on wilsons back and see him as some scapegoat when things go wrong. He's made one mistake tonight and it obviously was on his mind as his head dropped after that but upto then he was playing as well as anyone, and over the last few weeks has been playing really well. Other players gave the ball away far more then wilson tonight and you never hear their names mentioned. When JoC fell over the ball and managed to recover,if he hadn't and they had scored i can guarantee nobody would be on here knocking him, instead it would have been \"oh well it's one mistake when he's been brilliant all season\".
Some people are just never happy, were having a great season so stop bloody moaning.

[VikingJames]

bigdonnyboy wrote:

No argument would ever convince you VJ so what is the point of even asking that question. The fact that he has played at least 25 games for us this season says he is good enough to play in the championship. No amount of your dross can change that fact so you obviously don't know shit!

No, I don't think that Mark Wilson is good enough. That is my opinion. It is the fact that you don't like hearing it that winds you up so much. I object to you referring to my opinion as dross, what makes your opinion any more truthful or more valued as mine? Nothing. It is just different to mine, and you just can't deal with the fact that I have a different view to you.


TheRev wrote:

In answer to your question - Yes YOU do. Every week.

Not for the sake of it at all. I don't think he is good enough, that is my opinion. Just because your opinion is full of sweetness and light doesn't make it any more true/untrue than mine.

[bigdonnyboy]

You just don't get it VJ , it doesn't matter if other players were unavailable to play. If Wilson isn't good enough to play in the Championship he just wouldn't get picked. Its that simple so why doesn't it sink into your brain, is there a problem with you or what?

[VikingJames]

bigdonnyboy wrote:

You just don't get it VJ , it doesn't matter if other players were unavailable to play. If Wilson isn't good enough to play in the Championship he just wouldn't get picked. Its that simple so why doesn't it sink into your brain, is there a problem with you or what?

Ok, so I should change my view on a player purely on the basis that he has started 20 odd games this season?

[bigdonnyboy]

No you don't have to change your view at all, but your statement that he isn't good enough for the Championship doesn't hold up. The fact that he has regularly played for us at this level this season says he is , as does SOD with his selection. So you are basically saying our manager doesn't know what he is doing by picking Wilson. When SOD does finally move on i'm sure your name will be high on the new manager selection list especially with your sound knowledge and expertise of the game. (NOT!)

[VikingJames]

bigdonnyboy wrote:

No you don't have to change your view at all, but your statement that he isn't good enough for the Championship doesn't hold up. The fact that he has regularly played for us at this level this season says he is , as does SOD with his selection. So you are basically saying our manager doesn't know what he is doing by picking Wilson. When SOD does finally move on i'm sure your name will be high on the new manager selection list especially with your sound knowledge and expertise of the game. (NOT!)

It shows that SOD sees the game differently to what I do. That's what it shows.

And as for the last part of your post, it may have been tongue-in-cheek, but what a ridiculous comment. Why bother having a forum then if everybody's opinion is a load of old rubbish just because they are not a qualified football coach.

And to answer the point, surely I'd be second in line for the job to you seen as though your view is so much more considered, and littered with expertise? Just a thought, as you clearly know better than me, so how can I possibly be first on the selection list?

[DadsleyRover]

I think all the team played well tonight and they deserved something out of it. Wilson was one of the better players. He made a mistake lets get over it.
The ref was shite.

[bigdonnyboy]

Wrong again VJ , do you actually read my posts properly. I have never said that i know better than you, all i have done is state the facts. Think before you type and you may just get it right for once!

[VikingJames]

bigdonnyboy wrote:

Wrong again VJ , do you actually read my posts properly. I have never said that i know better than you, all i have done is state the facts. Think before you type and you may just get it right for once!

Well you seem to think you do, otherwise you wouldn't argue with me would you?

What you basically said in the final statement of the previous post is that my 'knowledge and expertise of the game' is lacking due to the fact that we disagree over a player, and you followed this up by telling me that you never said you knew better than me. If anyone out of us two needs to think before they type, maybe you should have a look at your own posts.

[bigdonnyboy]

Wrong again as that statement isn't saying i know better than you, what it says is the facts and our managers selection speak volumes against your opinions.  Try and twist this one as well VJ as you try to wiggle out of your hole.