Gordon Brown Resigns

[Mark Time]

ha ha that video above is quality!!  What's happening with the Sky News presenters, they all not slept since the election or something, over-tired?  First Kay Burley bullying the bloke who wanted PR and now this. Makes for good tv though, never known such an entertaining election

[Snods Shinpad 2]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Well bugger me. Only just got to a PC where I can open that. What with Bigot-gate and then this, Armando Iannucci should announce that The Thick of It is now going to be retired - reality has outdone fiction.

Was Adam Boulton pissed?

They have previous...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RXPnXDkrc[/video]

Go to 1  min 56 secs.

I think if there is a Part Three we can expect blows to be traded.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Filo wrote:

have they forgot about the tories betraying the mining industry in 84 and plunging whole comunitys into poverty

Considering some of the Tories would have been barely out of nappies in '84 how would they remember it??

Is it not time to stop banging on about events that happened 26 years ago?? And yes, the majority of my family were miners from a mining community.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Snods Shinpad wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Well bugger me. Only just got to a PC where I can open that. What with Bigot-gate and then this, Armando Iannucci should announce that The Thick of It is now going to be retired - reality has outdone fiction.

Was Adam Boulton pissed?

They have previous...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RXPnXDkrc[/video]

Go to 1  min 56 secs.

I think if there is a Part Three we can expect blows to be traded.

Brilliant. That's how politics should be. A few more people getting passionate about things.

Campbell is an easy target for people to complain about. But he has been essential to Labour ever having a fair chance in the media. He is a media insider and he knows how to squeeze journalists' balls when he had to. I suspect that he also knew about a few skeletons in a few cupboards when he had to play real hard-ball.

For me, the important thing is not the means, it's the end - it's what he really believes in. He convinced me when I heard him on a radio programme spitting bile at a Daily Mail journalist after a story that the journalist had written.

Campbell's old friend was Robert Millar, the cyclist who won King of the Mountains in the Tour de France in the 80s. After he finished cycling, he had a nervous breakdown, went into hiding and reportedly became a trans-sexual. The Daily Mail hounded him, writing a series of nasty, vindictive articles about him. Basically, they didn't give a f**k about the bloke/woman, so long as they got their story. Campbell told this journalist, in so many words, that he wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, and that Millar was 10 times the man that the journalist was.

I can handle nasty bas**rds, as long as they are on the right side. It's the nasty bas**rds who bully the weak and vulnerable who deserve contempt - and to have Alastair Campbell unleashed on them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

Filo wrote:

have they forgot about the tories betraying the mining industry in 84 and plunging whole comunitys into poverty

Considering some of the Tories would have been barely out of nappies in '84 how would they remember it??

Is it not time to stop banging on about events that happened 26 years ago?? And yes, the majority of my family were miners from a mining community.

As I've said a dozen times, it's about political philosophy, NOT about individuals. When Osbourne and Cameron cry for public sector cuts now, as we are crawling out of recession, they show that they are cut from EXACTLY the same cloth as Maggie. it would be, once again, the weakest sections of the nation that would bear the brunt of their economic policies. Just like it was under Maggie.

[DadsleyRover]

Alistair Campbell! Is'nt that the Yorkshire man who supports Burnley!

Crazy bas**rd

[Sandy Lane]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Snods Shinpad wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Well bugger me. Only just got to a PC where I can open that. What with Bigot-gate and then this, Armando Iannucci should announce that The Thick of It is now going to be retired - reality has outdone fiction.

Was Adam Boulton pissed?

They have previous...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RXPnXDkrc[/video]

Go to 1  min 56 secs.

I think if there is a Part Three we can expect blows to be traded.

Brilliant. That's how politics should be. A few more people getting passionate about things.

Campbell is an easy target for people to complain about. But he has been essential to Labour ever having a fair chance in the media. He is a media insider and he knows how to squeeze journalists' balls when he had to. I suspect that he also knew about a few skeletons in a few cupboards when he had to play real hard-ball.

For me, the important thing is not the means, it's the end - it's what he really believes in. He convinced me when I heard him on a radio programme spitting bile at a Daily Mail journalist after a story that the journalist had written.

Campbell's old friend was Robert Millar, the cyclist who won King of the Mountains in the Tour de France in the 80s. After he finished cycling, he had a nervous breakdown, went into hiding and reportedly became a trans-sexual. The Daily Mail hounded him, writing a series of nasty, vindictive articles about him. Basically, they didn't give a fcuk about the bloke/woman, so long as they got their story. Campbell told this journalist, in so many words, that he wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, and that Millar was 10 times the man that the journalist was.

I can handle nasty bas**rds, as long as they are on the right side. It's the nasty bas**rds who bully the weak and vulnerable who deserve contempt - and to have Alastair Campbell unleashed on them.

This thread has been interesting in a slightly o/t way for me because it's the first time I've seen Alastair Campbell in action.  I've been reading his book,'The Blair Diaries' forever because it's very long and also because it gets hard to read as he uses everyone's initials throughout the book rather than writing out their names.  So far I've memorized *TB, CB, GB, SB, and AC, oh, and occasionally NK.  For all the other less prominent players, I have to go back to the front to see who he talking about, which is difficult as I only pick it up every six months or so when I have nothing else to read!  Note to AC:  lose the initials....  

Anyway, it was interesting to see AC in action.  He is very good at his job isn't he with his honey-tongued words and voice, and he keeps his cool very well. And I agree that GB has gotten the short end of the stick r/t press coverage.  Yay AC!

*  See what I mean!  

[MattyDRFC]

DadsleyRover wrote:

Alistair Campbell! Is'nt that the Yorkshire man who supports Burnley!

Crazy bas**rd

Maybe he's got family roots in Burnley?

[jonrover]

Boomstick wrote:

charleydrfc wrote:

Boomstick wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Haha about time someone told Campbell where to go.  Feel a bit for Gordon Brown, removing him is not the answer for Labour, I didn't vote Labour but that wasn't because of Brown, Clegg or Cameron, it was down to policy.  Changing Brown doesn't change policy, if it does then surely a Lib/Lab coalition would lead to a new election?  We all know that wouldn't happen, I fail to see what more than a gimmick, him resigning really is.

Course it's not a gimmick. Labour and the Liberals are very close on many policies - much closer than either of them are to the Tories. The main sticking point was Brown. Now he's gone there's a clear path to a deal.

Cameron, Osbourne and the rest of the Old Etonians must be shitting bricks. If Labour and the Liberals bring in PR, none of us will live to see another Tory government.

But yet if we had PR a week ago then the Tories would have won.

Labour fcuks the economy, people get pissed off and vote tory.
> The Tories get elected and instigate painful and deeply unpopular (BUT NECESSARY) policies to sort the mess created by Labour, people get pissed off and vote Labour. > Labour fcuks the country again ..........................

labour fcuks the economy please enlighten

took us into 2 illegal wars, that we are still fighting, turned our country in to one giant public sector, oversaw the beginning of benefits Britain, failed to control immigration and presided over the biggest boom and bust we may ever see. Not to mention allowing the trade unions to hold the country to ransom.

Tell me how the trade unions are holding the country to ransom? The removal of labour is the only thing a working man has in his armoury these days. And that's getting harder with employers running like babbys to the high court every time a ballot goes the wrong way.

And if that is what you think then you had better get ready when the cuts come because I honestly believe we could be in for strikes like not seen since the 70s or early 80s. Maybe even a national strike if Cameron gets in.

[Filo]

It looks like Labour have thrown the towel in and Clegg has fallen for the tory spin after they threw the dummy out last night. All who voted Conservative and were worried about your job, be very worried now, the days of high unemployment last seen under Thatchers Government are about to return!

[The L J Monk]

As a Labour voter I see this as nothing other than a good thing: a case of short term pain for long term gain.

The Tories are going to have to introduce a period of austerity the like of which a generation of voters have never experienced before. Greece is an extreme example, but the reaction to the introduction of huge cuts there shows how people tend to feel about such things. Given the instability of coalitions the LibCon arrangement should last no longer than 2 years, by which time the Tories will be loathed once more and a vast number of Lib Dem voters who found themselves unwittingly dragged into an arrangement with the Tories should have seen the light.

Step up Prime Minister Milliband - of the David variety.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Filo wrote:

It looks like Labour have thrown the towel in and Clegg has fallen for the tory spin after they threw the dummy out last night. All who voted Conservative and were worried about your job, be very worried now, the days of high unemployment last seen under Thatchers Government are about to return!

Well none of my course mates seem to be able to find jobs under the current Labour government, so in that perspective it can't really get much worse for us.

Let's see what the big bad Tories do for the country over the next few years.  If they've not changed from the evil party they're made out to be on here, we'll soon find out.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Filo wrote:

It looks like Labour have thrown the towel in and Clegg has fallen for the tory spin after they threw the dummy out last night. All who voted Conservative and were worried about your job, be very worried now, the days of high unemployment last seen under Thatchers Government are about to return!

Nahh! Clegg has gone with what he initially stated and backed the Party who gained the most votes.

As for the Jobs situation, I wasnt worried for my job before...and I wont worry for my job with a Tory Government either...I'll be doing it until I choose to leave, or commit gross misconduct and Im sacked.

[Filo]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

As for the Jobs situation, I wasnt worried for my job before...and I wont worry for my job with a Tory Government either...I'll be doing it until I choose to leave, or commit gross misconduct and Im sacked.

Lucky you! not everyone has a secure job, you basically are saying f**k you i`m alright, typical tory attitude!

[Thinwhiteduke]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Well none of my course mates seem to be able to find jobs under the current Labour government, so in that perspective it can't really get much worse for us.

Let's see what the big bad Tories do for the country over the next few years.  If they've not changed from the evil party they're made out to be on here, we'll soon find out.

Agree with all of that.

Time we tell whether the electorate have made the right choice - certainly Labour have been no great shakes, especially in the last 3 years, and the arrogance in their belief they still have the right to govern in light of recent developments speaks volumes.

Having said that, the Torys could screw us over....but whats to say Labour wouldnt have done the same?

[Filo]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Let's see what the big bad Tories do for the country over the next few years.

Change that to the next few months, I can`t see a coalition lasting much longer than 12 months, the lib dems will eventually realise that the Tory`s have fed them bullshit

[Thinwhiteduke]

Filo wrote:

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

As for the Jobs situation, I wasnt worried for my job before...and I wont worry for my job with a Tory Government either...I'll be doing it until I choose to leave, or commit gross misconduct and Im sacked.

Lucky you! not everyone has a secure job, you basically are saying fcuk you i`m alright, typical tory attitude!

No it aint a secure job...no more than any other. But Ive trained to the hilt to get to be the best in my company where I work.

Our lass works for the Council, hardly that secure, but she's voted conservative also. She might lose her job, if she does she'll find another, cos one things for sure, the Job Centres are very rarely without vacancies.

I like how you are so cocksure of how the Tories will govern based on events from quarter of a century ago. Leaders change, people change, situations change. After all, who'd have thought, 25-30 years ago, that Labour wouldnt give two fcuks about the working class in 2010 eh?

[Filo]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

Filo wrote:

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

As for the Jobs situation, I wasnt worried for my job before...and I wont worry for my job with a Tory Government either...I'll be doing it until I choose to leave, or commit gross misconduct and Im sacked.

Lucky you! not everyone has a secure job, you basically are saying fcuk you i`m alright, typical tory attitude!

No it aint a secure job...no more than any other. But Ive trained to the hilt to get to be the best in my company where I work.

Our lass works for the Council, hardly that secure, but she's voted conservative also. She might lose her job, if she does she'll find another, cos one things for sure, the Job Centres are very rarely without vacancies.

I like how you are so cocksure of how the Tories will govern based on events from quarter of a century ago. Leaders change, people change, situations change. After all, who'd have thought, 25-30 years ago, that Labour wouldnt give two fcuks about the working class in 2010 eh?

You want to hope you or your lass don`t lose your job with that arrogant attitude, yes there are jobs out there if you want to work for £5.80 hour, I presume with the high level of skill you possess that your salary reflects that, i`ve gone from £13 hour to £5.80 since September last year, there are no jobs with half decent pay believe me

[Filo]

I wonder how many Lib Dem voters are now thinking their vote was wasted, like another poster said, this may turn out to be good for Labour if the Tory`s don`t get it right with their drastic economic action

[jucyberry]

I have to say Filo, all the best people are on £5.80 an hour................Well two of them anyway..Me and Thee...

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Your wage has gone down in the last year, but it's all the fault of the Tories.

[I-was-there1976]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Your wage has gone down in the last year, but it's all the fault of the Tories.

dont forget the ref. Bloody useless

[Filo]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Your wage has gone down in the last year, but it's all the fault of the Tories.

I never said it was the fault of the Tory`s, I was pointing out to the arrogant highly skilled person that thinks he can just walk into another job and the fact that there are jobs out there all be it low paid and i`m sure with him being the high flyer he says he is within his company he`ll be well paid.


I sincerely hope that I`m wrong about the prospect of higher unemployment, but sadly I fear I`m right with the emergency budget the Tory`s are proposing. I would n`t wish unemployment on anyone

[jucyberry]

Once again around here Henry Bellingham retained his seat comfortably. As I have said before , for a politician , he is a good man.

Mind you, depending on how you see it the either noble or deranged labour candidate totally pi**ed on his own chips.

Lib Dems came second..

for me, it was always obvious Henry would still be our M.P, so in that he will always do the best he can for his constituants be it in government or oposition, I voted therefore for the third choice..I couid not bring myself to vote tory, as a very lowly creature in the financial scheme of things, I just don't trust them..

they seem to despise everything I am, a single parent, albeit of now adult children, on a very low wage. No live in partner, no cosy two point four exixtance.

Tbh, they rather frighten me for my future.

[NorthNorfolkRover]

Just in case anyone is feeling sorry for Gord yesterday he gave £10billion of your money to bail out Greece. In return he gets to be the next chair of the IMF on £330,oooo pa tax free. In case anyone is wondering thats enough for 1,000 Billy Sharps. Not pretending the tories are any better but the left should drop the holy than thou bit.

[NorthNorfolkRover]

Actually I think its 10,000 Billy Sharps :side:

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Filo wrote:

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Your wage has gone down in the last year, but it's all the fault of the Tories.

I never said it was the fault of the Tory`s, I was pointing out to the arrogant highly skilled person that thinks he can just walk into another job and the fact that there are jobs out there all be it low paid and i`m sure with him being the high flyer he says he is within his company he`ll be well paid.


I sincerely hope that I`m wrong about the prospect of higher unemployment, but sadly I fear I`m right with the emergency budget the Tory`s are proposing. I would n`t wish unemployment on anyone

I understand your point.  I'm finding it impossible to find work.  Certainly finishing uni at a bad time.  However, what is for sure is that cuts are inevitable.  Had it been Labour, Tory, Green party whatever, cuts just had to come.  The finances of government are a mess.

We had a lecture from a guy who works for the NAO and had been involved in the audit of government.  The national accounts were to be released over a year ago, but with impending election etc their release was blocked.  He expected the document to be released after the election.  Let's see if it is, but his words were; \"were the country a business then liquidation would be inevitable\".  That spoke volumes to me.

[Barmby Rover]

jucyberry wrote:

Once again around here Henry Bellingham retained his seat comfortably. As I have said before , for a politician , he is a good man.

Mind you, depending on how you see it the either noble or deranged labour candidate totally pi**ed on his own chips.

Lib Dems came second..

for me, it was always obvious Henry would still be our M.P, so in that he will always do the best he can for his constituants be it in government or oposition, I voted therefore for the third choice..I couid not bring myself to vote tory, as a very lowly creature in the financial scheme of things, I just don't trust them..

they seem to despise everything I am, a single parent, albeit of now adult children, on a very low wage. No live in partner, no cosy two point four exixtance.

Tbh, they rather frighten me for my future.

Be very afraid Jucy, one thing for sure is that the tory government will get rid of working tax credits, which keep so many single parents/low paid workers afloat. The £5.80 rate then becomes unlivable and there will be no safety net so nothing will be there. Phase 5 is now being looked at by government. these are the folks that have been unemployed for more than 2 years, apparently the major feature of it is to make people work for any benefits recieved, where will they find all those jobs? Kiss goodbye to the £5.80 jobs when companies are encouraged to take on the unemployed with tax breaks and with the promise of free labour! It should be an interesting 12 months or so.

[RTID75]

bas**rd.

Oh well - I suppose none of us could really be surprised, especially given that most of us probably also thought Bullingdon Boy would be in No.10 already.

Buckle up for a long and painful ride everyone. The only positive to reflect upon at the moment is that we shouldn't have to wait too long to see Labour return.

[MrFrost]

I thought the Tory manifesto set out that only families with income of over 50k would stop getting tax credits which is fair enough.