Sharp signing: A view from our rivals.

[Rovers Return]

bobjames wrote:

EXCELLENT SIGNING.

but please, it makes me cringe... Leeds United are NOT a rival of us. They just aren't, european cup winners, bremner, giles, clarke.. champions league, £1000 fish...

im being serious, they are not our rivals, and it really does make me cringe when we say they are.

1. Another football club not 35 miles away
2. Play within the same league
3. Chase the same players
4. Chase the same pound by attracting the support within our area

  Bremner, Giles,Clarke was 40, yes, 40 years ago

[rovinrover52]

Leeds ?  who? oh yes just a small pub team in East Lancashire
      TID

[Filo]

bobjimwilly wrote:

bobjames wrote:

EXCELLENT SIGNING.

but please, it makes me cringe... Leeds United are NOT a rival of us. They just aren't, european cup winners, bremner, giles, clarke.. champions league, £1000 fish...

im being serious, they are not our rivals, and it really does make me cringe when we say they are.

european cup winners?  

Aye, they`ve told themselves that they are the champions of Europe that many times, they now believe that they actually won the European Cup              

[mutleyrover]

blakey wrote:

Leeds fan here.

Sharp was never on our radar. Why quote the odd WACCOE post when a good 70% on that thread didn't want him.

Leeds are linked with Hooper who has much more potential than Sharp. Even after Paynter Grayson said there will be a number one striker signing to come.

Hooper is a couple of years behind Sharp and I think would cost more than £1.1m.  Has he got more potential than Sharp had when he was at Scunny? I don't believe so.  The problem with potential is that it has to be fulfilled.  Think Lewis Guy!

[donnywhitegaz]

i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target

[Filo]

donnywhitegaz wrote:

i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target

I reckon the fact that Billy was out injured after March had a bearing on the fact that he did n`t score in that period  

[RobTheRover]

I dont think I'd be happy paying 2+ for Hooper.  He's a decent mid-table CCC player,  nothing more.

[Dutch Uncle]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

rover-n-out wrote:

Quote from WACCOE board:-  \"2+2 would mean that we were never seriously interested in Billy Sharp then.\" unquote.

Leeds and maths?

'Od on a bit. Here's the text from Paps Smurf's Book on Elementary Football Mathematics.

\"2+2=8% of the square root of jack shit. And if you don't like it, sue me.\"

Which, as even Kurt Godel would admit, proves beyond reproof that Leeds=shit.

No message from BST would be complete without a reference to Goedel  

Mind you I can't prove it  

[DearneValleyRover]

donnywhitegaz wrote:

i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target

Sharp didn't do anything after March as he was injured and I think you will find Hooper scored in 2 spells either side of an injury it's just his was in the middle of the season. They had comparable records otherwise.
The thing is just because a player is good at one club it doesn't mean they will be a success at another, Sharp is already and will continue to be a success at Doncaster with SO'D in charge, there are no garauntees with Hooper, as he didn't set the world alight prior to joining Scunny.
£1.1m for a striker we know will score 15+ goals and £2m+ for a striker who is capable but an unknown quantity at a new club, I'm more than happy with our acquisition.

[donnywhitegaz]

RobTheRover wrote:

I dont think I'd be happy paying 2+ for Hooper.  He's a decent mid-table CCC player,  nothing more.

dont agree rob,even if we dont get him whoever does is getting a very good young player 22 years old,30 goals in l1 season before,20 goals last year in an average scunny side so i reckon he could improve big time,if it was down to me though the one i want and have all along is  david nugent,i think he just needs a new club and an arm round his shoulder and he could really do some damage in the npc

[Alan Southstand]

the one i want and have all along is david nugent,i think he just needs a new club and an arm round his shoulder and he could really do some damage in the npc

If he signed for Weeds, he'd need hands round his throat!

[Lytham Rover]

DearneValleyRover wrote:

donnywhitegaz wrote:

i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target

Sharp didn't do anything after March as he was injured and I think you will find Hooper scored in 2 spells either side of an injury it's just his was in the middle of the season. They had comparable records otherwise.
The thing is just because a player is good at one club it doesn't mean they will be a success at another, Sharp is already and will continue to be a success at Doncaster with SO'D in charge, there are no garauntees with Hooper, as he didn't set the world alight prior to joining Scunny.
£1.1m for a striker we know will score 15+ goals and £2m+ for a striker who is capable but an unknown quantity at a new club, I'm more than happy with our acquasition.

i dont think that argument will hold water?

[mutleyrover]

donnywhitegaz wrote:

i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target

As stated above, the fact Billy was injured may be the reason why he didn't score too many after March.  Hooper has had a couple of decent seasons after being average at best for Southend.  One of these was at the lower level in Lge One where, as Leeds fans should be only too familiar, defences are a lot poorer.

I think that Hooper is a good player, similar to what Billy was when at Scunny but £2m? Not for me thanks.

[donnywhitegaz]

but when at southend he was only 19-20 and as we at leeds always find out,the price could have been 1 mill but when we come along it doubles  :angry:  im happy for you and billy as it looks like the right move i hope it all goes well for him now for us to find the chosen one to get the goals for us for me it has to be hooper or nugent but you never know with grayson as he likes to keep things close to his chest

[DearneValleyRover]

bedale rover wrote:

DearneValleyRover wrote:

donnywhitegaz wrote:

i dont agree mate,hooper has shown a full season in the ccc and scored the goals,where as billy got alot of his goals in one spell and the didnt do anything after march ,the hooper price is 2.5 mill plus and for me hes worth 2 mill all day long,it all depends how much grayson/bates feel hes worth,if its too much then on we go to our next target

Sharp didn't do anything after March as he was injured and I think you will find Hooper scored in 2 spells either side of an injury it's just his was in the middle of the season. They had comparable records otherwise.
The thing is just because a player is good at one club it doesn't mean they will be a success at another, Sharp is already and will continue to be a success at Doncaster with SO'D in charge, there are no garauntees with Hooper, as he didn't set the world alight prior to joining Scunny.
£1.1m for a striker we know will score 15+ goals and £2m+ for a striker who is capable but an unknown quantity at a new club, I'm more than happy with our acquasition.

i dont think that argument will hold water?

Thanks for the trip, sorry tip  

[blakey]

Like I say Sharp is a good signing for you and the way you play but not really for us and I understand why Grayson hasn't looked at him. To be honest I don't know why we didn't go in for Kris Boyd but the obvious Strachan pull had a lot to do with that.
The only striker I can think of that would fit the bill is Hooper but it does all depend on what we can spend. Sharp will no doubt get you over 15 goals, 20 at a push.
Im just glad to be back in a better division,rivals or not it is good to have a few Yorkshire teams now in the championship.

[Lytham Rover]

blakey wrote:

Like I say Sharp is a good signing for you and the way you play but not really for us and I understand why Grayson hasn't looked at him. To be honest I don't know why we didn't go in for Kris Boyd but the obvious Strachan pull had a lot to do with that.
The only striker I can think of that would fit the bill is Hooper but it does all depend on what we can spend. Sharp will no doubt get you over 15 goals, 20 at a push.
Im just glad to be back in a better division,rivals or not it is good to have a few Yorkshire teams now in the championship.

it was even better to have a lot of south yorkshire sides in the championship last year  

but at a push we will let in the west/east riding teams

[blakey]

Thankyou. The games against you should be interesting. Both teams are a lot different to 2 years ago and the ones we have left,Snodgrass,Kilkenny and Howson should be adapted more to the championship with them given more time on the ball and allowed to expess more of their talent.

[Rovers Return]

blakey wrote:

Thankyou. The games against you should be interesting. Both teams are a lot different to 2 years ago and the ones we have left,Snodgrass,Kilkenny and Howson should be adapted more to the championship with them given more time on the ball and allowed to expess more of their talent.

Good luck with that one blakey

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donnywhites there seems to be more than enough bad fealing
towards the mentioned bunch within rovers fans today

i did not notice it so much when wa stood on terrace at BV
maybe its down to the computor where fans can voice whatever

think i should point one fact out thou when rovers played in that johnstone paint trophy final at cardiff vs bristol rovers
it woulød be a good bet that there was a good 1500+ donnywhites
in the ground shouting for rovers.

iam sue this bad fealing with donnywhites from some rovers fans has come since rovers and leeds were in league1 together and the final at wembley.

at a guess for sure donnywhites will have now put more distance between them and  home towns team mainly due to the result of that day in the smoke.

its not worth busting a blood vessel over this donnywhite thing
or donnyowl,blade whatever as lets be honest here it was not too long ago that rovers were consistantly the shite of south yorkshire at the least and not too strong on the whole of yorkshire stakes,hence why the mixed bag of yorkshire other teams donnyfans

[Jonathan]

Simple fact is that I would rather have Sharp than Hooper whatever the price involved.

Hooper is a good player, no doubt about that and he proved it at the KMS last season, but Sharp is better than him.

[DMnumber4]

Jonathan wrote:

Simple fact is that I would rather have Sharp than Hooper whatever the price involved.

Hooper is a good player, no doubt about that and he proved it at the KMS last season, but Sharp is better than him.

I think Hooper needs a player alongside, and yes Paynter or Becchio would be perfect. Whereas Billy can play up top on his own, his desire is second to none.

Different players yes, but over 800k difference in price? No way.

[Wellington Vaults]

oslorovers wrote:

donnywhites there seems to be more than enough bad fealing
towards the mentioned bunch within rovers fans today

i did not notice it so much when wa stood on terrace at BV
maybe its down to the computor where fans can voice whatever

think i should point one fact out thou when rovers played in that johnstone paint trophy final at cardiff vs bristol rovers
it woulød be a good bet that there was a good 1500+ donnywhites
in the ground shouting for rovers.

iam sue this bad fealing with donnywhites from some rovers fans has come since rovers and leeds were in league1 together and the final at wembley.

at a guess for sure donnywhites will have now put more distance between them and  home towns team mainly due to the result of that day in the smoke.

its not worth busting a blood vessel over this donnywhite thing
or donnyowl,blade whatever as lets be honest here it was not too long ago that rovers were consistantly the shite of south yorkshire at the least and not too strong on the whole of yorkshire stakes,hence why the mixed bag of yorkshire other teams donnyfans

Churchillesque Old Boy! Lyn Oslo appear to be facing financial meltdown eh?  Can't understand why the pre-season friendly was called off as they would appear ideal opponents for our lot.

[Norfolk N Chance]

Leeds recruitment policy continues they will be going back down have no doubt about that!

[BobG]

There are a lot of short memories on here tonight. Well, that or young chaps! Peter Kitchen looked bloody rubbish in his first two seasons at BV. Brian Dean looked worse. Yet both went on to become really, really good players. And the point of this? That both were 19-20 years old. So Hooper at Southend when he was 19 and 20 was a very different kettle of fish to Hooper at 22 at Leeds, or even somewhere else. I think he'll be a top player. Mind you, I think Billy is tops too

Cheers

BobG

[Barmby Rover]

On the other hand Lewis Guy looked a bit raw at a young age when he came to us......... B)  

[RobTheRover]

The thing for me is that Hooper played last season in a Scunny team that went a bit gung-ho going forwards, but left their defence exposed, and they were utter shenry at the back.  Its no surprise he got goals given that approach.  Scunny ALWAYS seemed to commit the extra man forward in their attacks.

If Leeds land him, and are prepared to play that way in a tougher division than the last time you were here, then he could get goals.  I suspect the ER faithful will see a lot of 0-0s this season.  Beckford could get by on half chances.  I'm not sure Hooper can.

[blakey]

Maybe not.Beckford played in the championship with us when he was Hoopers age and did nothing hence why he was loaned out to league one. Fair play to Hooper, he has adapted to the championship well being the 2nd(or 3rd) top striker last season for an overall poor team.
Beckford's knack however was to score goals when the team looked second best but I think we relied on this too much but even on top of the game Beckford's chances/goal ratio was never that great. The strange thing is when he was dropped towards the end of last season for the Becchio/Gradel parterhip they both scored about 8 goals between them in 4 games and the team ethic picked up.

[RobTheRover]

So, what you are saying is lose the ego, gain the team?

Seems a decent mantra to have.

Does Hooper have his feet on the ground or dollar signs in his eyes, though?  Maybe he knew he was playing his socks off for a big move and an equally big paypacket.

[blakey]

Well no not really. He hasn't just done it this season, he scored 30 goals in lg1 the season before.
What player isn't going to work his socks off for a bigger move and more money?
So far in his career he has proved himself,unlike say Billy Paynter who only did it last season and previous to that didn't have a great goal per game ratio. We didn't really take a gamble on Paynter though cos to snap up someone who has just scored 29 goals on a free after losing Beckford on a free he could be a great squad player.If not then it was at least worth the free signing.

Going back to Hooper. He is proving himself capable scoring at this level and would be the ideal replacement.