Trilogy closes doors

[MrFrost]

Have read today that the Trilogy Nightclub in town has shut down.
Now, I always thought the place was a shit hole, so I wont miss it. However, it leaves Doncaster without a regonisable night club, which surely will be very detrimental to the night time economy.

To be honest, the choice of late night venue's is pretty poor in town. You've got Walkabout or Priory, and that's about it.

Maybe the town's famed nightlife is coming to an end.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ah well. If there's one sliver lining to the cloud of economic woes, it's the fact that music and youth culture improve as the times get harder. In 78-83 we had Joy Division/New Order, Two Tone, The Jam, the birth of British Electro-pop and a dozen other innovative groups/movements.

In the economic fat years over the last two decades, we have had a plethora of manufactured boy/girl bands, bone idle derivatives of 25 year-old techno-pop and shit, comfortable middle-class pap like Keane/The Kooks/Coldplay. There's been nothing truly innovative in British pop music since the days of Madchester and the rave culture 20 years ago.

Maybe things will improve now. Last time all the clubs were being closed down, it spawned THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4

[CusworthRovers]

The nightlife is still very much there.

Trilogy is in the heartbeat/hub of Donny Nightlife (unlike 7th Heaven or whatever name it has) and yet still can't fill it. Nothing to do with the nightclub, it's more the relaxed licencing laws, which allow most pubs and pubs with music/disco to stay open til 3am.

In short Donny has too many late night establishments for drinking alcohol and/or throwing out some nifty dance moves ie very much watered down. Donny is not far off being 1 big nightclub/pub/burger bar by night and pound type shop by day.

What Donny doesn't have is the variety of drinking/late night entertainment establishment. They are all the same. Now back in the day, it had a lot more variety

[MrFrost]

CusworthRovers wrote:

The nightlife is still very much there.

Trilogy is in the heartbeat/hub of Donny Nightlife (unlike 7th Heaven or whatever name it has) and yet still can't fill it. Nothing to do with the nightclub, it's more the relaxed licencing laws, which allow most pubs and pubs with music/disco to stay open til 3am.

In short Donny has too many late night establishments for drinking alcohol and/or throwing out some nifty dance moves ie very much watered down. Donny is not far off being 1 big nightclub/pub/burger bar by night and pound type shop by day.

What Donny doesn't have is the variety of drinking/late night entertainment establishment. They are all the same. Now back in the day, it had a lot more variety

There's no market for anything different in Doncaster. There's a new indie themed bar opened up where Reds Bar used to be. It's always empty and won't last long. If that was in Sheffield, it would be full all the time.

[5minstogo]

MrFrost wrote:

Have read today that the Trilogy Nightclub in town has shut down.
Now, I always thought the place was a shit hole, so I wont miss it. However, it leaves Doncaster without a regonisable night club, which surely will be very detrimental to the night time economy.

To be honest, the choice of late night venue's is pretty poor in town. You've got Walkabout or Priory, and that's about it.

Maybe the town's famed nightlife is coming to an end.

Its not surprising really now that Lewis and Heff have moved on.  

[CusworthRovers]

You're not wrong. I think Billy may have touched on it re the music though. There is piss all about in terms of non-mainstream.

Let's face it I would guess most lads/lasses go out simply to have a good time, good drink, pull something, grab some cheesey chips at the end of the night. I bet music would not feature anywhere. Nothing wrong with this, may I add

The music is all the same. Going through time there was Northern Soul and packed out rooms in the afternoon and evening in Donny (so says my older sister, somewhere near Free Press). Then we had Mainline, which was always busy and concentrated on the Indie scene. Pubs in Donny played certain types of music and got a certain type of crowd.


I think with the advent of Internet, Media, TV resulting in peer pressure and people ramming down our throats what the norm is, there is a growing reluctance to be seen to be different or to accept anything else.

Like said, I'm sure there will come a new music revolution (as that's what usually starts a trend/scene).

Until then, the people that might not want DJ Fresh featuring The Grass People and Dogs Dinner bass mix will just have to carry on going to the mainstream clubs, stand on their own, leave on their own, go home, cry and want to die.

[Filo]

CusworthRovers wrote:

Then we had Mainline, which was always busy and concentrated on the Indie scene. Pubs in Donny played certain types of music and got a certain type of crowd.

And don`t forget Mr Davids, that attracted your kind of crowd Cussie!  

[nightporter]

CusworthRovers wrote:

, stand on their own, leave on their own, go home, cry and want to die.

    Nice one.

[coventryrover]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Ah well. If there's one sliver lining to the cloud of economic woes, it's the fact that music and youth culture improve as the times get harder. In 78-83 we had Joy Division/New Order, Two Tone, The Jam, the birth of British Electro-pop and a dozen other innovative groups/movements.

In the economic fat years over the last two decades, we have had a plethora of manufactured boy/girl bands, bone idle derivatives of 25 year-old techno-pop and shit, comfortable middle-class pap like Keane/The Kooks/Coldplay. There's been nothing truly innovative in British pop music since the days of Madchester and the rave culture 20 years ago.
Maybe things will improve now. Last time all the clubs were being closed down, it spawned THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4

Err..... Radiohead, Dizzie Rascal, Massive Attack, Super Furries, British sea power, Nitin Sawhney, Foals, Wild Beats etc etc etc

I hate the attitude of \"music was so much better/angst/innovative (delete as appropriate) in the past\"

[Wellington Vaults]

Well, donning my Miserable Old Fart hat, which seems to be on my head permanently these days, I would only class Radiohead and Massive Attack as iconic, which Joy Division, New Order, The Jam, The Specials etc undoubtedly are

Dizzie Rascal, Super Furries, British sea power, Nitin Sawhney, Foals, Wild Beats etc are no doubt talented but can't see them getting much coverage in 20 or 30 years time.

The modern stuff is just so accessible, and without putting too fine a point on it, \"nice\".  The Eighties stuff mentioned by BST often had a disturbing edge to it which didn't lend itself to \"media darling\" status, and the \"underground feel\" seems sadly missing these days.

And they do say that class never goes out of fashion, so those young uns bemoaning the closing of Triliogy perhaps should check out the lyrics to The Specials' \"Ghost Town\".  

Coming to a town near you sooner than you think.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

MrFrost wrote:

CusworthRovers wrote:

The nightlife is still very much there.

Trilogy is in the heartbeat/hub of Donny Nightlife (unlike 7th Heaven or whatever name it has) and yet still can't fill it. Nothing to do with the nightclub, it's more the relaxed licencing laws, which allow most pubs and pubs with music/disco to stay open til 3am.

In short Donny has too many late night establishments for drinking alcohol and/or throwing out some nifty dance moves ie very much watered down. Donny is not far off being 1 big nightclub/pub/burger bar by night and pound type shop by day.

What Donny doesn't have is the variety of drinking/late night entertainment establishment. They are all the same. Now back in the day, it had a lot more variety

There's no market for anything different in Doncaster. There's a new indie themed bar opened up where Reds Bar used to be. It's always empty and won't last long. If that was in Sheffield, it would be full all the time.

That's not the case really.  There's never any problem getting into an indie bar in Sheffield (in fact they've become much less common now, indie nights have died in Sheffield, compared to 3 years ago).  The thing is people don't want to listen to that kind of stuff when out and about.  There is a market but it isn't that big.  Look at many of the people who prefer that type of music like myself and my mates.  We tend to go to gigs rather than nights on the town, you have to look at the people out in town on the piss.  Most no nothing about music.

[jucyberry]

Kids nowadays don't want music, the majority just want to sink as many pints/wkd's as possible and get totally off their faces whilst slumped up a corner in their own vomit.... and that's just the girls.

and, I have to say I'm with you wellygogs, music now is absolutly crap...Dizzy whotsit aside,(and I can't even think what he sings) I have never even heard of the rest of this new line up..  We must be wearng the same hat..lol

[coventryrover]

Wellington Vaults wrote:

Well, donning my Miserable Old Fart hat, which seems to be on my head permanently these days, I would only class Radiohead and Massive Attack as iconic, which Joy Division, New Order, The Jam, The Specials etc undoubtedly are

Dizzie Rascal, Super Furries, British sea power, Nitin Sawhney, Foals, Wild Beats etc are no doubt talented but can't see them getting much coverage in 20 or 30 years time.

The modern stuff is just so accessible, and without putting too fine a point on it, \"nice\".  The Eighties stuff mentioned by BST often had a disturbing edge to it which didn't lend itself to \"media darling\" status, and the \"underground feel\" seems sadly missing these days.

And they do say that class never goes out of fashion, so those young uns bemoaning the closing of Triliogy perhaps should check out the lyrics to The Specials' \"Ghost Town\".  

Coming to a town near you sooner than you think.

For every Specials there was a Brother Beyond etc etc etc

Plus there is plenty of underground stuff nowadays, particularly in the dance sector

[coventryrover]

jucyberry wrote:

Kids nowadays don't want music, the majority just want to sink as many pints/wkd's as possible and get totally off their faces whilst slumped up a corner in their own vomit.... and that's just the girls.

and, I have to say I'm with you wellygogs, music now is absolutly crap...Dizzy whotsit aside,(and I can't even think what he sings) I have never even heard of the rest of this new line up..  We must be wearng the same hat..lol

But thats what the older generation always says of the younger generations music, which is quite ignorant especially if all you listen to is Hallam FM etc etc.

Guess we all turn into our parents, who view their kids music as just noise:)

[Nudga]

Whatever happened to getting a phone call on a Friday morning from a mate saying that there will be a rave going off in a disused carpark/warehouse/field on the saturday night. They were the best kind of nights out and some decent names turned out as well. I remember Keith wotsisname from Prodigy rolling up at a dingy warehouse in Stoke in the mid/late nineties, he wasn't even down to do a \"turn\" but came with his mates and ended up performing most of the night.

[jucyberry]

Also true, its called progression I guess.

Mind you, I do find this whole ooo look at me I'm a gangsta big style Ndubz thing pretty pitiful... Hellooo, you aren't straight outta Compton, they would eat little weanies like you for breakfast....lol

Why do  kids over here feel the need to speak like it? Have you seen the dribble  some put on facebook?? I actually posted that on one lads wall, spotty little norfolk boy speaking like a gangsta, 'Why Benjamin, I didn't know you came from East Compton'....     Aren't I mean...

[Nudga]

jucyberry wrote:

Also true, its called progression I guess.

Mind you, I do find this whole ooo look at me I'm a gangsta big style Ndubz thing pretty pitiful... Hellooo, you aren't straight outta Compton, they would eat little weanies like you for breakfast....lol

Why do  kids over here feel the need to speak like it? Have you seen the dribble  some put on facebook?? I actually posted that on one lads wall, spotty little norfolk boy speaking like a gangsta, 'Why Benjamin, I didn't know you came from East Compton'....     Aren't I mean...

Going slightly away from OP but I said the same thing on here a couple of days ago, even kids around here don't have Yorkshire accents, they have this weird shitty New London/Black/Asian b*llocks going on....init.

[jucyberry]

Either there is something in the water and our kids are morphing into morons, or I blame the Yanks.

I don't know about 50cent, kids now sound more like one and a ha'penny...

Look at this for a direct quote  from spotty norfolk boy to My Adam's brother in law...

Ben Harris 'Crumpit' wos sup fcuker, how u been bro aint spoke to you for time hope all is well geeza, tap back when you can..

Not exactly the work of a poet is it?

[CusworthRovers]

I bet Mr Chumley Warner is turning in his grave.

Just a few points from this thread. If the music is good enough it will stand the test of time regardless of what it is. I like music way before my time of getting into it ie Beatles, Stones, Who, Doors, Kinks, Elvis, Buddy Holly, T Rex, Led Zep and many more.

My daughter is 16. I have no influence on her musical taste. However she has found herself, stuff from the 60's and from my era The Jam and The Smiths.

I do feel the music scene is very much alive (The line up at T in The Park, Glasto was pretty awesome), we just need a new trend.

I think there are many on here who will have grown up going through some pretty cheeky eras one after the other ie Punk, New Wave, Mods, New Romantic, Indie.......after that I cannot recall anything else, except Britpop and girl power

[keyser_soze]

Some people in this thread need to look a bit harder than silver street. Surprised Vintage Rock Bar hasn't been mentioned on this thread. Sine Fm, Inhaler records, higher rhythm studios, all championing local new music.

[Nudga]

We have only Faggot Force now.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

jucyberry wrote:

Kids nowadays don't want music, the majority just want to sink as many pints/wkd's as possible and get totally off their faces whilst slumped up a corner in their own vomit.... and that's just the girls.

and, I have to say I'm with you wellygogs, music now is absolutly crap...Dizzy whotsit aside,(and I can't even think what he sings) I have never even heard of the rest of this new line up..  We must be wearng the same hat..lol

Maybe you could get out of your shell a bit more though before criticising young people?  We're not all binge drinking pissheads spending our days listening to American rap and out to steal money from our Grandmas.

But the media would love it if everyone believed that wouldn't they?

Just look like has been said at the recent festivals where large amounts of people were my age, younger and older all enjoying new and old music.  If the the music is good enough it doesn't matter whether it was written in the 60s or last week.  There's a lot of good music out there, but if you listen to Hallam Fm you won't hear it.  Try some of the stations that play new music (6 Music and Absolute tend to be the best, XFM isn't bad either).

[Nudga]

\"Maybe you could get out of your shell a bit more though before criticising young people? We're not all binge drinking pissheads spending our days listening to American rap and out to steal money from our Grandmas.\"


True, but if they aren't one of those they are usually fluffy haired, spray tanned, jeans down to arse, pump wearing, wrist banded, man bagged, accessorised, work shy, yeah but no but, shandy drinking, scarf/vest combo wearing bum bandits.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Nudga wrote:

True, but if they aren't one of those they are usually fluffy haired, spray tanned, jeans down to arse, pump wearing, wrist banded, man bagged, accessorised, work shy, yeah but no but, shandy drinking, scarf/vest combo wearing bum bandits.

Don't get me started on those types.  Nowt wrong with a man bag though  

[Nudga]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Nudga wrote:

True, but if they aren't one of those they are usually fluffy haired, spray tanned, jeans down to arse, pump wearing, wrist banded, man bagged, accessorised, work shy, yeah but no but, shandy drinking, scarf/vest combo wearing bum bandits.

Don't get me started on those types.  Nowt wrong with a man bag though  

Oh there is, if what you have won't fit in your pockets then it's a sports ruck sack all the way. And you have to wear it with one strap across one shoulder. Unlike the man bag which looks like it needs to be worn like a womans bag from one shoulder, across the chest and then sits on the hip. Frickin mincers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

coventryrover wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Ah well. If there's one sliver lining to the cloud of economic woes, it's the fact that music and youth culture improve as the times get harder. In 78-83 we had Joy Division/New Order, Two Tone, The Jam, the birth of British Electro-pop and a dozen other innovative groups/movements.

In the economic fat years over the last two decades, we have had a plethora of manufactured boy/girl bands, bone idle derivatives of 25 year-old techno-pop and shit, comfortable middle-class pap like Keane/The Kooks/Coldplay. There's been nothing truly innovative in British pop music since the days of Madchester and the rave culture 20 years ago.
Maybe things will improve now. Last time all the clubs were being closed down, it spawned THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4

Err..... Radiohead, Dizzie Rascal, Massive Attack, Super Furries, British sea power, Nitin Sawhney, Foals, Wild Beats etc etc etc

I hate the attitude of \"music was so much better/angst/innovative (delete as appropriate) in the past\"

1) Your choice of \"new\" music almost makes my point for me. Radiohead were formed in 1985, Massive Attack in 88 and Super Furry Animals in 1990.

2) In any case, these are (predominantly) minority interest groups. Of course there are some interesting and innovative bands these days, just like there were plenty of shit ones in 1980. But the difference is in how many of the edgy bands were MAINSTREAM in the years that I quoted. Look at the charts from 79-82. Number ones for The Specials, The Jam, Tubeway Army, Human League, Kraftwerk, Dexy's etc. All of them either developing new musical genres or producing a new synthesis of older styles. All of them challenging accepted attitudes and approaches. Who is doing that AND GETTING TO NUMBER ONE today? Or for the last 20 years?

3) And that's before you start looking at who were the other innovative bands defining new directions in music. Back in 79-82, you had U2, Joy Division, The Cure, early Simple Minds, Cabaret Voltaire, Cocteau Twins, UB40, even someone like Vince Clark who was defining stripped-down electro-pop for a generation. All of them doing something new, risky and innovative and ADDING to pop music culture across a huge range of genres, rather than just regurgitating it.

I really don't think it's old-gittishness. I genuinely think that fat and lazy economic times generates fat and lazy youth culture. And this is predominantly what we have had for the last 15-20 years. In 1980, unemployment was horrific, and we never more than 4 minutes away from worldwide annihilation. It was fcuking grim. And these things affect the culture that they produce. That's why music by the likes of Joy Division, Cabaret Voltaire, Empires and Dance by Simple Minds were so hauntingly disturbing AND attracted discerning audiences - they reflected the times. That's why poppier but still grim stuff like Ghost Town or Are Friends Electric, or Going Underground got to Number 1. What has there been to be truly disturbed and haunted by for a kid coming to cultural maturity over the last 15 years?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BST you mention number ones, but nobody under the age of 40 buys music these days.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ahh, so it was us old t**ts who put JLS, Joe McEldrey, Pixie Lott, Lady Gaga, Kelly Clarkson, Jay-Z and Cheryl Cole on top of the charts last year then eh?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Ahh, so it was us old t**ts who put JLS, Joe McEldrey, Pixie Lott, Lady Gaga, Kelly Clarkson, Jay-Z and Cheryl Cole on top of the charts last year then eh?

Certainly wasn't me  

[jucyberry]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

jucyberry wrote:

Kids nowadays don't want music, the majority just want to sink as many pints/wkd's as possible and get totally off their faces whilst slumped up a corner in their own vomit.... and that's just the girls.

and, I have to say I'm with you wellygogs, music now is absolutly crap...Dizzy whotsit aside,(and I can't even think what he sings) I have never even heard of the rest of this new line up..  We must be wearng the same hat..lol

Maybe you could get out of your shell a bit more though before criticising young people?  We're not all binge drinking pissheads spending our days listening to American rap and out to steal money from our Grandmas.

But the media would love it if everyone believed that wouldn't they?

Just look like has been said at the recent festivals where large amounts of people were my age, younger and older all enjoying new and old music.  If the the music is good enough it doesn't matter whether it was written in the 60s or last week.  There's a lot of good music out there, but if you listen to Hallam Fm you won't hear it.  Try some of the stations that play new music (6 Music and Absolute tend to be the best, XFM isn't bad either).

I will forgive the patronizing nature of your post, you are after all very young.

However. I have forgotten more about 'young people' than you will ever know. I know exactly what a good portion of youth is all about. I am as far away from being sheltered when it comes to youngsters are you are in understanding where an adult comes from obviously.

you are one of the blessed ones, you have the brains and drive to go far, for many this isn't the case..For far to many kids the norm is getting pissed , getting high and just grabbing the shoddy side of life...

my 'shell' has seen the burial of one boy close to your age, pinned and left under a car wreck, and not found until it was too late, thanks in part to a late night session, and oh the bitterest of irony, we also have the funeral of his brother to contend with this coming wednesday.... died choking on his own vomit whilst sleeping..Adam has lost two brother in laws in four and a half years.