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Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .
Quote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.
Quote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.
Quote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?
That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.
A question worth asking is, what would it take for the coppers at #10 to take action over criminal activity by senior politicians or public servants?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:49:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .They might lose the odd marginal, but you don't seem to factor in how powerful the whole Culture War concept is.Culturally, the LDs are further removed from the Tories than Labour are.
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 25, 2022, 08:34:33 pmA question worth asking is, what would it take for the coppers at #10 to take action over criminal activity by senior politicians or public servants?The cops on the door of no 10 did nothing when Blair wagering war crimes from his living room there. And this is not a slur on Labour. My point is the cops that police Downing Street are just cops. PCs. They probably are not even detectives.They have a simple mandate. Protect Downing Street and those that live/ work down there. Nothing else. It would be a bit like asking a royal protection officer to arrest Prince Andrew for child sex offences. Ain’t going to happen.
Quote from: normal rules on January 25, 2022, 09:39:24 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on January 25, 2022, 08:34:33 pmA question worth asking is, what would it take for the coppers at #10 to take action over criminal activity by senior politicians or public servants?The cops on the door of no 10 did nothing when Blair wagering war crimes from his living room there. And this is not a slur on Labour. My point is the cops that police Downing Street are just cops. PCs. They probably are not even detectives.They have a simple mandate. Protect Downing Street and those that live/ work down there. Nothing else. It would be a bit like asking a royal protection officer to arrest Prince Andrew for child sex offences. Ain’t going to happen.Not taking it as a slur but didn't all your undercover work tell you that it's unlikely that they were party to conversations within the building.
It’s also quite possible that the cops working no10 had no idea there were parties taking place.Had they known, and blew the whistle, I’d imagine they would have been found alternative employment directing traffic in Clapham. Sometimes, in life it easier just to keep your mouth shut I guess.
Quote from: normal rules on January 25, 2022, 09:51:01 pmIt’s also quite possible that the cops working no10 had no idea there were parties taking place.Had they known, and blew the whistle, I’d imagine they would have been found alternative employment directing traffic in Clapham. Sometimes, in life it easier just to keep your mouth shut I guess.which goes back to my original question: ''what would it take for the coppers at #10 to take action over criminal activity by senior politicians or public servants?
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 25, 2022, 09:53:09 pmQuote from: normal rules on January 25, 2022, 09:51:01 pmIt’s also quite possible that the cops working no10 had no idea there were parties taking place.Had they known, and blew the whistle, I’d imagine they would have been found alternative employment directing traffic in Clapham. Sometimes, in life it easier just to keep your mouth shut I guess.which goes back to my original question: ''what would it take for the coppers at #10 to take action over criminal activity by senior politicians or public servants?A frontal lobotomy.
I don't wish to drag the conversation to another point on the map but ask any non-white person subject to a stop and search if they think that criteria was used when they are 9x more likely to be the subject of one.
... repeatedly and proven time and againIt's not about a piece of cake, it's about a PM that's lying to Parliament.