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Quote from: wilts rover on March 21, 2019, 08:10:05 pmIsn't it the opposite Billy? She has been bluffing for 3 years that No Deal is an option. Now when her deal is set to fail it appears that the bluff wasn't a bluff but is actually what she is set on happening now.It's in this situation that Tommy's scenario comes to pass. If her deals fails next week and nothing else has been put in place before it comes to pass, the only - the only - way that parliament can stop a no deal is to call a vote of confidence.Yeah. I'll take that as an absolute utter last ditch tactic. Absolutely must NOT be a tactic to aim for though, unless Corbyn is 100% certain that he has the votes.Here's a thought though. Let's assume a realistic scenario.EU tell us tonight that we can have a short extension only if May's deal passes next week.May's deal is defeated next Thursday. We have a NC vote next Friday and the Govt is brought down.How does that stop us crashing out at 11pm next Friday?
Isn't it the opposite Billy? She has been bluffing for 3 years that No Deal is an option. Now when her deal is set to fail it appears that the bluff wasn't a bluff but is actually what she is set on happening now.It's in this situation that Tommy's scenario comes to pass. If her deals fails next week and nothing else has been put in place before it comes to pass, the only - the only - way that parliament can stop a no deal is to call a vote of confidence.
TommyFor the record, I didn't say you were talking bullshit. In fact I didn't reply to that specific post. Go back and have a look. My post shortly after yours was aimed at Boomstick (BS for short).https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=268078.msg829859#msg829859That misunderstanding has brought a much-needed smile to my face, an hour after I've just come within inches of being killed by some Kitson in a Transit van overtaking a cyclist on a blind bend. I bet he voted Leave an all. It may well be that some of the Tory MPs do choose to vote to bring down the Govt. But if Corbyn is going to go that route at the 11th hour, he'd better be damn sure he's got the votes to win that NC motion.
WiltsWhat's the legal mechanism for the EU to suspend A50?
WiltsIt would be a constitutional outrage and legally out if the question for the EU to TELL the UK that we weren't leaving at 11pm on 29 March.
TommyNo problem. For the record again, I would never call anything you say "bullshit" because it is always thought provoking and considered. I responded too hastily about the NC idea. I agree it would be a final throw of the dice. But as I've said just now, I do t see how that would give a mechanism to stop No Deal.In that scenario, with the Govt brought down next Friday evening, who would be empowered to ask the EU for a long extension before the deadline?That's the key point as I said to Wilts. The EU cannot impose an extension. The UK Govt has to ask for one. That requires us to have a functioning Govt.My best guess at the moment is that there's going to be a Cabinet coup next week after her deal is defeated again. The very few No Deal Cabinet supporters will be put aside and the more sane heads (relative, I know) will insist that May sees sense and calls for a long extension. If Hammond, Hunt, Rudd, Liddington etc all threatened to resign, that might finally crack her.
Once again. As I was saying. National humiliation https://mobile.twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1108830556178079750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1108830556178079750&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Flive%2Fuk-politics-parliaments-47614151
GlynPrecisely. So who makes the call to Tusk and Juncker?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 21, 2019, 09:29:54 pmOnce again. As I was saying. National humiliation https://mobile.twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1108830556178079750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1108830556178079750&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Flive%2Fuk-politics-parliaments-47614151Ooof. That really is a damning indictment of the take back control brigade.
Any Minister? That sounds like a path to anarchy in normal times.