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Quote from: Filo on July 12, 2021, 03:12:25 pmA good point made on twitter by Rob Staton“ If Raheem Sterling wasn’t taking a penalty, why did Marcus Rashford come on for Kyle Walker and play the last three minutes at right back??”Not a good point really is it, If the penalties go to sudden death then you’d much rather have Sterling taking one than Walker
A good point made on twitter by Rob Staton“ If Raheem Sterling wasn’t taking a penalty, why did Marcus Rashford come on for Kyle Walker and play the last three minutes at right back??”
Quote from: The Beast on July 12, 2021, 02:27:24 pmSorry but it is fact we’ll never have a better chance. Cups are lotteries unlike leagues, so on the law of averages we won’t get there for a long time. Although Italy were probably the team of the tournament they are very average. The Italian left back last night hardly features for Chelsea, the Chelsea first choice left back can’t get on the pitch for us. Their midfield was decent but we never had a proper go at their ancient defenders, no outstanding striker for them either, no standout player like del Piero, Baggio etc, probably on a par with a mid table Prem team and we were petrified of them most of the game. We have a 4 good defenders all in their prime, why did we have to wrap them up in cotton wool? Well it’s not a fact is it!
Sorry but it is fact we’ll never have a better chance. Cups are lotteries unlike leagues, so on the law of averages we won’t get there for a long time. Although Italy were probably the team of the tournament they are very average. The Italian left back last night hardly features for Chelsea, the Chelsea first choice left back can’t get on the pitch for us. Their midfield was decent but we never had a proper go at their ancient defenders, no outstanding striker for them either, no standout player like del Piero, Baggio etc, probably on a par with a mid table Prem team and we were petrified of them most of the game. We have a 4 good defenders all in their prime, why did we have to wrap them up in cotton wool?
Quote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 02:59:49 pmQuote from: The Beast on July 12, 2021, 02:27:24 pmSorry but it is fact we’ll never have a better chance. Cups are lotteries unlike leagues, so on the law of averages we won’t get there for a long time. Although Italy were probably the team of the tournament they are very average. The Italian left back last night hardly features for Chelsea, the Chelsea first choice left back can’t get on the pitch for us. Their midfield was decent but we never had a proper go at their ancient defenders, no outstanding striker for them either, no standout player like del Piero, Baggio etc, probably on a par with a mid table Prem team and we were petrified of them most of the game. We have a 4 good defenders all in their prime, why did we have to wrap them up in cotton wool? Well it’s not a fact is it!You’re right it’s not a fact but I’m sure we won’t ever have a better chance, playing a mediocre Italy side at home in a final, everything was in our favour.
Quote from: keyser_soze on July 12, 2021, 03:30:54 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 12:28:06 pmDon’t talk daft, After they equalised they stayed on top for another 10-15 mins but after that it was very even and in extra time we looked like the side who wanted to score, Italy looked happy for pens.All the pundits said all that after Russia yet 3 years later we’ve done it again. Of course there’s teams you’d rather play but it’s ridiculous to say that’s the only reason we got to the final in an attempt to diminish the achievement.If someone before the game had offered me 1-1 - into penalties and Pickford was going to save 2 of them - i would have taken it. Fantastic chance to win.Making two subs defending a corner was a bold move that nearly backfired massively.It wasn’t bold, it was stupid, Southgate was panicking that he wouldn’t get his penalty takers on in time, as throughout the game he left it late to do something, his mindset needs to change to make us a more offensive unit
Quote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 12:28:06 pmDon’t talk daft, After they equalised they stayed on top for another 10-15 mins but after that it was very even and in extra time we looked like the side who wanted to score, Italy looked happy for pens.All the pundits said all that after Russia yet 3 years later we’ve done it again. Of course there’s teams you’d rather play but it’s ridiculous to say that’s the only reason we got to the final in an attempt to diminish the achievement.If someone before the game had offered me 1-1 - into penalties and Pickford was going to save 2 of them - i would have taken it. Fantastic chance to win.Making two subs defending a corner was a bold move that nearly backfired massively.
Don’t talk daft, After they equalised they stayed on top for another 10-15 mins but after that it was very even and in extra time we looked like the side who wanted to score, Italy looked happy for pens.All the pundits said all that after Russia yet 3 years later we’ve done it again. Of course there’s teams you’d rather play but it’s ridiculous to say that’s the only reason we got to the final in an attempt to diminish the achievement.
Final thought. The officials were excellent. They didn’t fall for Italian antics or even some of the English diving. Question mark over his call on the assault on Grealish from Jorginho. Otherwise they let game flow and added to game rather than subtracted. Well done millionaire Dutch bloke and his two mates.
Quote from: Chris Black come back on July 12, 2021, 09:31:06 amFinal thought. The officials were excellent. They didn’t fall for Italian antics or even some of the English diving. Question mark over his call on the assault on Grealish from Jorginho. Otherwise they let game flow and added to game rather than subtracted. Well done millionaire Dutch bloke and his two mates.What about the incident when Chiellini nearly choked Saka with that shirt pull back.You could argue that he was the last man as Saka would have been on a clear run to goal and no way would anyone have been able to catch him.Saka had support inside too so could possibly have done a Billy Painter and squared it for a tap in.Chiellini should hav3 been sent off and IMO the ref bottled doing it.
So do you think they’ve got superior players to us? Man for man I do think they’re mediocre, played well but not full of world class players like France.
Quote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 06:33:12 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on July 12, 2021, 09:31:06 amFinal thought. The officials were excellent. They didn’t fall for Italian antics or even some of the English diving. Question mark over his call on the assault on Grealish from Jorginho. Otherwise they let game flow and added to game rather than subtracted. Well done millionaire Dutch bloke and his two mates.What about the incident when Chiellini nearly choked Saka with that shirt pull back.You could argue that he was the last man as Saka would have been on a clear run to goal and no way would anyone have been able to catch him.Saka had support inside too so could possibly have done a Billy Painter and squared it for a tap in.Chiellini should hav3 been sent off and IMO the ref bottled doing it.No way that was a red card offence. He was on the touchline just inside Italy's half.
Quote from: EasyforDennis on July 12, 2021, 06:39:11 pmQuote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 06:33:12 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on July 12, 2021, 09:31:06 amFinal thought. The officials were excellent. They didn’t fall for Italian antics or even some of the English diving. Question mark over his call on the assault on Grealish from Jorginho. Otherwise they let game flow and added to game rather than subtracted. Well done millionaire Dutch bloke and his two mates.What about the incident when Chiellini nearly choked Saka with that shirt pull back.You could argue that he was the last man as Saka would have been on a clear run to goal and no way would anyone have been able to catch him.Saka had support inside too so could possibly have done a Billy Painter and squared it for a tap in.Chiellini should hav3 been sent off and IMO the ref bottled doing it.No way that was a red card offence. He was on the touchline just inside Italy's half.I know where the foul took place mate but the fact is, our player was past the last man and Chiellini was never going to catch him.
Quote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 06:49:41 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on July 12, 2021, 06:39:11 pmQuote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 06:33:12 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on July 12, 2021, 09:31:06 amFinal thought. The officials were excellent. They didn’t fall for Italian antics or even some of the English diving. Question mark over his call on the assault on Grealish from Jorginho. Otherwise they let game flow and added to game rather than subtracted. Well done millionaire Dutch bloke and his two mates.What about the incident when Chiellini nearly choked Saka with that shirt pull back.You could argue that he was the last man as Saka would have been on a clear run to goal and no way would anyone have been able to catch him.Saka had support inside too so could possibly have done a Billy Painter and squared it for a tap in.Chiellini should hav3 been sent off and IMO the ref bottled doing it.No way that was a red card offence. He was on the touchline just inside Italy's half.I know where the foul took place mate but the fact is, our player was past the last man and Chiellini was never going to catch him.Never a red card. We’d have been raging if it had gone against us.
Quote from: EasyforDennis on July 12, 2021, 06:39:11 pmQuote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 06:33:12 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on July 12, 2021, 09:31:06 amFinal thought. The officials were excellent. They didn’t fall for Italian antics or even some of the English diving. Question mark over his call on the assault on Grealish from Jorginho. Otherwise they let game flow and added to game rather than subtracted. Well done millionaire Dutch bloke and his two mates.What about the incident when Chiellini nearly choked Saka with that shirt pull back.You could argue that he was the last man as Saka would have been on a clear run to goal and no way would anyone have been able to catch him.Saka had support inside too so could possibly have done a Billy Painter and squared it for a tap in.Chiellini should hav3 been sent off and IMO the ref bottled doing it.No way that was a red card offence. He was on the touchline just inside Italy's half.I know where the foul took place mate but the fact is, our player was past the last man and Chiellini was never going to catch him.No wonder he was smiling when the ref showed the yellow card.
Quote from: The Beast on July 12, 2021, 05:07:21 pmSo do you think they’ve got superior players to us? Man for man I do think they’re mediocre, played well but not full of world class players like France.Just because you’ve not heard of them doesn’t mean they’re average. Id not heard of a few of their squad but they’re going to be household names now. Whatever way you look at it they’re not average and mediocre
That’s ok Nick, you have your opinion.
Quote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 07:49:53 pmThat’s ok Nick, you have your opinion.Didn't you see the two players in the middle then
Quote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 07:49:53 pmThat’s ok Nick, you have your opinion.I’ll have my opinion but you might want to consider having an eye test!
Quote from: normal rules on July 12, 2021, 12:00:03 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 11:47:51 amThe last World Cup we only just missed out in the final. It’s a bit silly to say we won’t reach a final again, The players we have are as good as anyone else in the world, this tournament has proven that Er, if I recall England did not make the final. And on that note let’s talk about England’s progress in that competition. Group stage. Win against a poor Tunisia followed by a similar game against Panama. Two easy games on paper. Then lose against Belgium in a game the press billed as a “good one to lose” as it set up an easier next game. (Sound familiar?)Win against Columbia ((pens) then against Sweden before losing to Croatia in the semi. Couldn’t even beat Belgium to get third place. In many ways, this has been a carbon copy tournament with the exception of getting to the final. The current squad have been great. No doubt. But it’s not enough. Drives me mad when people keep going on about our “easy” routes in tournamentsNo other supporters in the world would look at it in such a negative way. Have a look at the teams Portugal played in the last euro to win it, If donny got to the fa cup final would you care who they played. The fact is in this tournament we’ve beatenCroatia, the World Cup finalists who went on to draw with Spain Czech Republic who Knocked out Holland Germany Denmark who were as good as anyone after rhe first two games and had the massive motivation,And then we’ve lost on penalties in the final to a side who everyone has been raving about
Quote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 11:47:51 amThe last World Cup we only just missed out in the final. It’s a bit silly to say we won’t reach a final again, The players we have are as good as anyone else in the world, this tournament has proven that Er, if I recall England did not make the final. And on that note let’s talk about England’s progress in that competition. Group stage. Win against a poor Tunisia followed by a similar game against Panama. Two easy games on paper. Then lose against Belgium in a game the press billed as a “good one to lose” as it set up an easier next game. (Sound familiar?)Win against Columbia ((pens) then against Sweden before losing to Croatia in the semi. Couldn’t even beat Belgium to get third place. In many ways, this has been a carbon copy tournament with the exception of getting to the final. The current squad have been great. No doubt. But it’s not enough.
The last World Cup we only just missed out in the final. It’s a bit silly to say we won’t reach a final again, The players we have are as good as anyone else in the world, this tournament has proven that
Quote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 06:49:41 pmQuote from: EasyforDennis on July 12, 2021, 06:39:11 pmQuote from: drfchound on July 12, 2021, 06:33:12 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on July 12, 2021, 09:31:06 amFinal thought. The officials were excellent. They didn’t fall for Italian antics or even some of the English diving. Question mark over his call on the assault on Grealish from Jorginho. Otherwise they let game flow and added to game rather than subtracted. Well done millionaire Dutch bloke and his two mates.What about the incident when Chiellini nearly choked Saka with that shirt pull back.You could argue that he was the last man as Saka would have been on a clear run to goal and no way would anyone have been able to catch him.Saka had support inside too so could possibly have done a Billy Painter and squared it for a tap in.Chiellini should hav3 been sent off and IMO the ref bottled doing it.No way that was a red card offence. He was on the touchline just inside Italy's half.I know where the foul took place mate but the fact is, our player was past the last man and Chiellini was never going to catch him.No wonder he was smiling when the ref showed the yellow card.There were 2 Italian players infield closer to goal, Chiellini wasn’t the last man. There were no England players in their half other than Saka either so not sure who you mean by the support inside.Horrible “challenge” but under the current rules of the game it’s not a red card.
Quote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 12:09:27 pmQuote from: normal rules on July 12, 2021, 12:00:03 pmQuote from: dickos1 on July 12, 2021, 11:47:51 amThe last World Cup we only just missed out in the final. It’s a bit silly to say we won’t reach a final again, The players we have are as good as anyone else in the world, this tournament has proven that Er, if I recall England did not make the final. And on that note let’s talk about England’s progress in that competition. Group stage. Win against a poor Tunisia followed by a similar game against Panama. Two easy games on paper. Then lose against Belgium in a game the press billed as a “good one to lose” as it set up an easier next game. (Sound familiar?)Win against Columbia ((pens) then against Sweden before losing to Croatia in the semi. Couldn’t even beat Belgium to get third place. In many ways, this has been a carbon copy tournament with the exception of getting to the final. The current squad have been great. No doubt. But it’s not enough. Drives me mad when people keep going on about our “easy” routes in tournamentsNo other supporters in the world would look at it in such a negative way. Have a look at the teams Portugal played in the last euro to win it, If donny got to the fa cup final would you care who they played. The fact is in this tournament we’ve beatenCroatia, the World Cup finalists who went on to draw with Spain Czech Republic who Knocked out Holland Germany Denmark who were as good as anyone after rhe first two games and had the massive motivation,And then we’ve lost on penalties in the final to a side who everyone has been raving about It's not negative. It is recognising a fact.England will be very fortunate to get a path to the latter stages for a third time in a row without running into a serious contendernin R2 or QF.Saying that does not in any way belittle what England have achieved. It contextualises it. There's likely to be a significant improvement needed to match, let alone better these last two tournament performances. And for once in my life, I think that is doable.