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Quote from: normal rules on March 18, 2023, 02:17:23 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2023, 10:28:52 amQuote from: normal rules on March 18, 2023, 09:43:55 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 11:45:23 pmNR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap. I’m all ears. You propose no solution. ?You've clearly not been reading what I've written then because I've said this several times.You start by having an asylum processing system that is fit for purpose. The HO has been dysfunctional for years because this Govt doesn't want a solution. It wants angry people to keep on feeling angry.There is currently a backlog of over 100,000 asylum claims. Last year, 40,000 people arrived on boats and claimed asylum. 314 cases were processed.THAT is the core of the problem. If we had a system that worked to process these cases, we could then deport the bogus claimants while still upholding our legal and moral obligations to genuine claimants. We could also offer a chance for asylum seeker to apply before they arrive. But this Govt has chosen not to offer that other than from a few select countries. Do that effectively and the attraction of boat passage vanishes.[/quotIsn’t it a lot more complex than that? Easy to blame the govt. For every asylum claim that the HO rejects. There will be a counter claim by some human rights lawyer getting paid for by us as they get free and independent legal advice . And so it goes on. The legal aid bill for asylum counter claims must run into tens of millions alone .NR ''Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote''Instead of sidling up to the former home secretary and claiming 'inside knowledge' shouldn't you be writing to the current government asking for a humane solution?Labour are not in power ffsOnce again sr you fail to recognise context. Any fool knows Labour aren’t in power yet, but it’s looking likely. And they would get my vote if this was in their policy. As an aside, it looks like the govt has a plan to house boat migrants, on, you guessed it, boats (old ferries).
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2023, 10:28:52 amQuote from: normal rules on March 18, 2023, 09:43:55 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 11:45:23 pmNR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap. I’m all ears. You propose no solution. ?You've clearly not been reading what I've written then because I've said this several times.You start by having an asylum processing system that is fit for purpose. The HO has been dysfunctional for years because this Govt doesn't want a solution. It wants angry people to keep on feeling angry.There is currently a backlog of over 100,000 asylum claims. Last year, 40,000 people arrived on boats and claimed asylum. 314 cases were processed.THAT is the core of the problem. If we had a system that worked to process these cases, we could then deport the bogus claimants while still upholding our legal and moral obligations to genuine claimants. We could also offer a chance for asylum seeker to apply before they arrive. But this Govt has chosen not to offer that other than from a few select countries. Do that effectively and the attraction of boat passage vanishes.[/quotIsn’t it a lot more complex than that? Easy to blame the govt. For every asylum claim that the HO rejects. There will be a counter claim by some human rights lawyer getting paid for by us as they get free and independent legal advice . And so it goes on. The legal aid bill for asylum counter claims must run into tens of millions alone .NR ''Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote''Instead of sidling up to the former home secretary and claiming 'inside knowledge' shouldn't you be writing to the current government asking for a humane solution?Labour are not in power ffs
Quote from: normal rules on March 18, 2023, 09:43:55 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 11:45:23 pmNR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap. I’m all ears. You propose no solution. ?You've clearly not been reading what I've written then because I've said this several times.You start by having an asylum processing system that is fit for purpose. The HO has been dysfunctional for years because this Govt doesn't want a solution. It wants angry people to keep on feeling angry.There is currently a backlog of over 100,000 asylum claims. Last year, 40,000 people arrived on boats and claimed asylum. 314 cases were processed.THAT is the core of the problem. If we had a system that worked to process these cases, we could then deport the bogus claimants while still upholding our legal and moral obligations to genuine claimants. We could also offer a chance for asylum seeker to apply before they arrive. But this Govt has chosen not to offer that other than from a few select countries. Do that effectively and the attraction of boat passage vanishes.[/quotIsn’t it a lot more complex than that? Easy to blame the govt. For every asylum claim that the HO rejects. There will be a counter claim by some human rights lawyer getting paid for by us as they get free and independent legal advice . And so it goes on. The legal aid bill for asylum counter claims must run into tens of millions alone .
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 17, 2023, 11:45:23 pmNR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap. I’m all ears. You propose no solution. ?
NR.You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap.
With all the shit going in and has gone on in the uk you choose to separate out a single aspect of policy of any government now and in the future and promise them your vote on that basis that they may be able to deliver ''stop the boats''This is exactly where the tory party want to be, they want to make the next election about as few issues as possible with the above and 'law and order' positions they have manufactured themselves. It is these issues that they are driving, to persuade voters to hate those on welfare with the ''something for nothing'' mantra and foreigners with the ''stop the boats'' shit, more fool you if you accept it.
History has a funny way of turning things around aye nr?''King Charles signals first explicit support for research into monarchy’s slavery ties''
Strange aye, almost everyone knew ...........''Home Office admits no evidence to support key claim on small boat crossingsExclusive: UK Government concedes it cannot substantiate assertion that majority crossing Channel are economic migrants''https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/08/home-office-admits-no-evidence-to-support-key-claim-on-small-boat-crossings
Quote from: SydneyRover on April 08, 2023, 12:54:17 pmStrange aye, almost everyone knew ...........''Home Office admits no evidence to support key claim on small boat crossingsExclusive: UK Government concedes it cannot substantiate assertion that majority crossing Channel are economic migrants''https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/08/home-office-admits-no-evidence-to-support-key-claim-on-small-boat-crossings So, the Government lied yet again. What a surprise - not. Problem is, so many people fall for it!
1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .
Quote from: normal rules on April 11, 2023, 04:29:32 pm1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .And we still have the summer months to look forward to.... It baffles me that we have no ability to stop or at least reduce this.... all the technology at our disposal and we are still bobbing about in boats in the Channel
Quote from: Metalmicky on April 13, 2023, 01:59:56 pmQuote from: normal rules on April 11, 2023, 04:29:32 pm1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .And we still have the summer months to look forward to.... It baffles me that we have no ability to stop or at least reduce this.... all the technology at our disposal and we are still bobbing about in boats in the Channelpolitics aside. we have a navy that is, at best, redundant, and an army that are not really committed like they were during recent conflicts like falklands, iraq, bosnia, afghan. Then there is the raf who probably have shinier bottoms than usual. together, with surveillance and patrolling, this could be stopped, overnight. How? It would be against international law to intercept them in French waters, and it would be against international law to return them to French waters once they were in ours. Of course, had we still been in the EU then we could have returned them to France as per EU rules. Another wonderful benefit of Brexit! but the govt of the day choose to allow/ignore it. for reason better known to themselves. And pay the french huge sums - to ignore it also. some think this is to make angry people angrier. im not angry about it. i just dont get it. at all Really? See below.
He got headlines for saying he will stoo the small boats but I see Sunaks backtracking on that is hidden on page 2, the one no one reads, in the Mail which sensible people don't read
Quote from: normal rules on April 13, 2023, 08:46:13 pmQuote from: Metalmicky on April 13, 2023, 01:59:56 pmQuote from: normal rules on April 11, 2023, 04:29:32 pm1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .And we still have the summer months to look forward to.... It baffles me that we have no ability to stop or at least reduce this.... all the technology at our disposal and we are still bobbing about in boats in the Channelpolitics aside. we have a navy that is, at best, redundant, and an army that are not really committed like they were during recent conflicts like falklands, iraq, bosnia, afghan. Then there is the raf who probably have shinier bottoms than usual. together, with surveillance and patrolling, this could be stopped, overnight. How? It would be against international law to intercept them in French waters, and it would be against international law to return them to French waters once they were in ours. Of course, had we still been in the EU then we could have returned them to France as per EU rules. Another wonderful benefit of Brexit! but the govt of the day choose to allow/ignore it. for reason better known to themselves. And pay the french huge sums - to ignore it also. some think this is to make angry people angrier. im not angry about it. i just dont get it. at all Really? See below. The government choose to allow it because it makes the news, makes people angry and takes their minds off the real problems in this country; problems that this government is incapable of fixing.
Quote from: ravenrover on April 14, 2023, 01:26:53 pmHe got headlines for saying he will stoo the small boats but I see Sunaks backtracking on that is hidden on page 2, the one no one reads, in the Mail which sensible people don't readYvette Cooper has also said a labour govt would stop the boats.
Quote from: normal rules on April 14, 2023, 05:46:30 pmQuote from: ravenrover on April 14, 2023, 01:26:53 pmHe got headlines for saying he will stoo the small boats but I see Sunaks backtracking on that is hidden on page 2, the one no one reads, in the Mail which sensible people don't readYvette Cooper has also said a labour govt would stop the boats. Did she get front page headlines for saying it NR?