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Selby, I’m not even sure why our Brexit means so much to someone in Australia.
Wilt's, do you think the EU will have the same member countries in 2026?
Hound.For the fourth time, that gov.uk website categorically does NOT say the report was published on 24 Dec.It was the WEBSITE that was published on 24 Dec. The "Trade and Cooperation Agreement (including Annexes and Protocols)" is the report itself. That was added this morning. It says it. In black and white "26 December 2020Following documents added: Trade and Cooperation Agreement (including Annexes and Protocols)""Added" as in "was not there previously"If you wanted to check you could have looked here.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/commission-publishes-full-text-of-uk-eu-brexit-trade-agreement/amp/Or here.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/brexit-eu-and-uk-publish-trade-agreement/a-56062356Or herehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-brexit-deal-published-full-23222385.ampOr herehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1376854/brexit-deal-full-text-summary-trade-deal-EU-UK-what-is-in-the-brexit-deal-evg/ampThis is actually quite depressing. You are taking an incorrect position and implacably refusing to budge on it, when the facts are set out on a plate for you. On a matter of pretty much zero importance. You preferred to assume I was wrong for whatever reason.If you cannot get facts as straightforward and simple as that right, or back down when it is demonstrated that you are wrong, on such a trivial issue, or be bothered to check the accuracy of what you are insisting, then the concept of civilised, fact-based discussion is out the window.
Selby I do agree somewhat with you on that. We have chosen to align on a lot of areas and I don't think that's a big issue. It's a choice we have made. We could of course choose to move from that in time as the world changes. As deals go it doesn't seem terrible or brilliant and that has to be a good thing. Time will of course tell but it's nothing like the apocalypse many said it would be is it? A lot of the paperwork will be fairly easy to complete also. In some areas paperwork was still required within the EU so it's not necessarily the end of the world. A lot of businesses will automate it through existing process anyway. We will all adapt much more easily than some have made out.
I thought it might be a bit deep for some of you Syd, Sorry go back to your building blocks you got for Christmas.
Quote from: selby on December 27, 2020, 12:48:01 pm I thought it might be a bit deep for some of you Syd, Sorry go back to your building blocks you got for Christmas.Are you still maintaining that it's exporters who pay import duties or didn't you get any building blocks for Christmas yourself?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 27, 2020, 01:06:36 pmQuote from: selby on December 27, 2020, 12:48:01 pm I thought it might be a bit deep for some of you Syd, Sorry go back to your building blocks you got for Christmas.Are you still maintaining that it's exporters who pay import duties or didn't you get any building blocks for Christmas yourself?Actually Glyn it is in some cases. American steel tarrifs one obvious example.
Glynn, tariffs are levied by the country receiving the goods and paid by the exporter, seeing as we import more goods than we export as you constantly point out to anyone who will listen to the EU there is a large difference between what we will have to pay to the EU and what we will receive from them, which is a much larger amount more than equal to all the farm subsidies we receive from the EU according to one report I read. Add on the fee they will have to pay for access to fish in our waters. I too think there will be an agreement.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on December 27, 2020, 01:28:56 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 27, 2020, 01:06:36 pmQuote from: selby on December 27, 2020, 12:48:01 pm I thought it might be a bit deep for some of you Syd, Sorry go back to your building blocks you got for Christmas.Are you still maintaining that it's exporters who pay import duties or didn't you get any building blocks for Christmas yourself?Actually Glyn it is in some cases. American steel tarrifs one obvious example.Do you mean these?https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-tariffs-explainer-idUSKCN1SR1UIhttps://www.investors.com/news/economy/what-is-a-tariff/https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/07/trumps-steel-tariffs-cost-us-consumers-every-job-created-experts-say/https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/02/heres-why-us-importers-and-consumers-pay-trumps-tariffs-not-china.htmlI'd got you down as someone who wouldn't fall for Trump's bullshit.
No, just my knowledge of Customs Law and Declarations. All Import Declarations have to be in the name of the importer, who has to be a valid legal entity in the country of destination. All taxes and duties have to be paid by said importer. Not by anybody outside the Customs territory of destination.
Isn't it you getting stuck on the technicalities BFYP?All taxes and duties have to be paid by the importer - is pretty clear. That's WTO rules I believe.How the importer goes about getting that money back from the exporter - or not - is down to the particular agreement as you have pointed out, but the actual legal obligation seems pretty clear.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 27, 2020, 08:30:36 pmNo, just my knowledge of Customs Law and Declarations. All Import Declarations have to be in the name of the importer, who has to be a valid legal entity in the country of destination. All taxes and duties have to be paid by said importer. Not by anybody outside the Customs territory of destination.Glyn you are getting stuck on technicalities ie who remits a final payment but that doesn't mean they actually pay it. It's like vat the person who paid the vat bill isn't actually the one who pays it in most cases.When tarrifs came in most companies went "we are not paying that" so it leaves a choice of what to do. Of course there are also some arrangements that differ so that the seller does directly pay the bill. They don't tend to care as long as it's paid. So it can be mixed dependent on rules and agreements.