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Well I accept that people have different views to me, but I think that the biggest difference between us is that I absolutely defend your right to do so, but it would be nice and a change for you lot to try and do so without belittling and insulting other peoples views and accept that others do not agree. That is one of the remains biggest problems, reading the populations mood, and what they wanted. which caused entrenchment and resentment, something that a political movement can never overcome. Lose someone and they are very hard to recover, the Labour movement in this country will have to learn to live with that.
Kato, very funny, but just another pop at belittling people who don't agree with your opinion. You don't learn, it is like water off a ducks back here mate, I just chuck the hook and don't even put on a worm.
“Leftwaffe”Really.? You’re better than that surely.?
Quote from: drfchound on June 23, 2020, 08:32:46 amTwo of the Leftwaffe out early today.As I said, we won’t know for a few years.Of course a good deal is better than a bad one.Do you know for a fact that we won’t get a good deal or that other countries won’t want to deal with us (that’s the UK by the way SR).I agree though NNK, the voters were deceived by lies by the Brexit people. I would love to know how we can get a better deal with the EU than the one we had before we decided to leave. Even a supposed good deal, (whatever that turns out to be - if anything), can never be as good - it would be pointless for the EU to exist otherwise, they simply can't treat us as equal to the members of their club let alone better! Have you looked at those links I posted earlier, from out own Government, telling business in the UK what they will have to do to trade with each individual nation in the EU? Have you considered the implications on UK business? Oh, and we already trade with the rest of the world via trade deals struck with the EU. Do you, or anyone here, think that we as a small island can get better deals with the rest of the world than the ones we had as part of the EU? Have a look what New Zealand think.... https://www.politik.co.nz/2020/06/18/nz-ready-to-get-heavy-with-the-uk/ It isn't about being left, or right, or centre; it's about what's best for this country. Why would anyone in their right mind want to downgrade? But I am glad you agree that those who voted Leave were deceived by the lies of the Leave Campaigns; sadly, we're now about to pay the price for that.
Two of the Leftwaffe out early today.As I said, we won’t know for a few years.Of course a good deal is better than a bad one.Do you know for a fact that we won’t get a good deal or that other countries won’t want to deal with us (that’s the UK by the way SR).I agree though NNK, the voters were deceived by lies by the Brexit people.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 23, 2020, 09:31:46 amQuote from: drfchound on June 23, 2020, 08:32:46 amTwo of the Leftwaffe out early today.As I said, we won’t know for a few years.Of course a good deal is better than a bad one.Do you know for a fact that we won’t get a good deal or that other countries won’t want to deal with us (that’s the UK by the way SR).I agree though NNK, the voters were deceived by lies by the Brexit people. I would love to know how we can get a better deal with the EU than the one we had before we decided to leave. Even a supposed good deal, (whatever that turns out to be - if anything), can never be as good - it would be pointless for the EU to exist otherwise, they simply can't treat us as equal to the members of their club let alone better! Have you looked at those links I posted earlier, from out own Government, telling business in the UK what they will have to do to trade with each individual nation in the EU? Have you considered the implications on UK business? Oh, and we already trade with the rest of the world via trade deals struck with the EU. Do you, or anyone here, think that we as a small island can get better deals with the rest of the world than the ones we had as part of the EU? Have a look what New Zealand think.... https://www.politik.co.nz/2020/06/18/nz-ready-to-get-heavy-with-the-uk/ It isn't about being left, or right, or centre; it's about what's best for this country. Why would anyone in their right mind want to downgrade? But I am glad you agree that those who voted Leave were deceived by the lies of the Leave Campaigns; sadly, we're now about to pay the price for that.No NNK, I haven’t read the links that you posted.Better off isn’t just about any deals we get is it.Apparently we don’t have to pay £350m a week into the EU coffers so that would be a good start wouldn’t it.But, as I said, no one can know for a fact that we won’t be better off.I will put a note into my phone to see how we are in ten years and we can revisit this conversation.
Quote from: drfchound on June 23, 2020, 01:48:09 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 23, 2020, 09:31:46 amQuote from: drfchound on June 23, 2020, 08:32:46 amTwo of the Leftwaffe out early today.As I said, we won’t know for a few years.Of course a good deal is better than a bad one.Do you know for a fact that we won’t get a good deal or that other countries won’t want to deal with us (that’s the UK by the way SR).I agree though NNK, the voters were deceived by lies by the Brexit people. I would love to know how we can get a better deal with the EU than the one we had before we decided to leave. Even a supposed good deal, (whatever that turns out to be - if anything), can never be as good - it would be pointless for the EU to exist otherwise, they simply can't treat us as equal to the members of their club let alone better! Have you looked at those links I posted earlier, from out own Government, telling business in the UK what they will have to do to trade with each individual nation in the EU? Have you considered the implications on UK business? Oh, and we already trade with the rest of the world via trade deals struck with the EU. Do you, or anyone here, think that we as a small island can get better deals with the rest of the world than the ones we had as part of the EU? Have a look what New Zealand think.... https://www.politik.co.nz/2020/06/18/nz-ready-to-get-heavy-with-the-uk/ It isn't about being left, or right, or centre; it's about what's best for this country. Why would anyone in their right mind want to downgrade? But I am glad you agree that those who voted Leave were deceived by the lies of the Leave Campaigns; sadly, we're now about to pay the price for that.No NNK, I haven’t read the links that you posted.Better off isn’t just about any deals we get is it.Apparently we don’t have to pay £350m a week into the EU coffers so that would be a good start wouldn’t it.But, as I said, no one can know for a fact that we won’t be better off.I will put a note into my phone to see how we are in ten years and we can revisit this conversation. Perhaps you should take the time to have a look at those links as they are nothing at all to do with us being better or worse off. And we never EVER paid the EU £350m a week. NEVER! EVER! Why do people keep expounding the lies yet refuse to look at links that will tell them the truth - yes, truth from our own government! We're already worse off, or did you not read the list of EU benefits we've just thrown away? Wouldn't surprise me as you seem to only want to look at and believe the lies you've been told in the Sun, Mail, Telegraph or the social media etc!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 23, 2020, 02:03:17 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 23, 2020, 01:48:09 pmQuote from: Not Now Kato on June 23, 2020, 09:31:46 amQuote from: drfchound on June 23, 2020, 08:32:46 amTwo of the Leftwaffe out early today.As I said, we won’t know for a few years.Of course a good deal is better than a bad one.Do you know for a fact that we won’t get a good deal or that other countries won’t want to deal with us (that’s the UK by the way SR).I agree though NNK, the voters were deceived by lies by the Brexit people. I would love to know how we can get a better deal with the EU than the one we had before we decided to leave. Even a supposed good deal, (whatever that turns out to be - if anything), can never be as good - it would be pointless for the EU to exist otherwise, they simply can't treat us as equal to the members of their club let alone better! Have you looked at those links I posted earlier, from out own Government, telling business in the UK what they will have to do to trade with each individual nation in the EU? Have you considered the implications on UK business? Oh, and we already trade with the rest of the world via trade deals struck with the EU. Do you, or anyone here, think that we as a small island can get better deals with the rest of the world than the ones we had as part of the EU? Have a look what New Zealand think.... https://www.politik.co.nz/2020/06/18/nz-ready-to-get-heavy-with-the-uk/ It isn't about being left, or right, or centre; it's about what's best for this country. Why would anyone in their right mind want to downgrade? But I am glad you agree that those who voted Leave were deceived by the lies of the Leave Campaigns; sadly, we're now about to pay the price for that.No NNK, I haven’t read the links that you posted.Better off isn’t just about any deals we get is it.Apparently we don’t have to pay £350m a week into the EU coffers so that would be a good start wouldn’t it.But, as I said, no one can know for a fact that we won’t be better off.I will put a note into my phone to see how we are in ten years and we can revisit this conversation. Perhaps you should take the time to have a look at those links as they are nothing at all to do with us being better or worse off. And we never EVER paid the EU £350m a week. NEVER! EVER! Why do people keep expounding the lies yet refuse to look at links that will tell them the truth - yes, truth from our own government! We're already worse off, or did you not read the list of EU benefits we've just thrown away? Wouldn't surprise me as you seem to only want to look at and believe the lies you've been told in the Sun, Mail, Telegraph or the social media etc!NNK, I don’t read any of those rags that you have listed and I don’t do twitter or instagram either.I also know that we didn’t pay the EU £350m a week, you should have noticed that I wrote “apparently” before those words.As for the links that get posted on here, on the political threads I very rarely open any of them up because over time I have come to realise that invariably they are just full of government bashing stuff and to be honest I got sick of reading them.Far too predictable.
Just a long list of whataboutary Kato
Careful Kato he may be fishing without a hook again you know how cunning he is
It is easier with a net mate. You catch more,and can chuck the sprats back.
Not good news that the US are mulling over tariffs on $3.1 billion of EU exports.
Kato I know which end of the rod to hold. It is the one that doesn't have a bell on the end.
With regard to the £350mill claims surfacing again this is a good time to remind people that Brexit (since 2016 up to the end of this year) - is calculated to have cost the UK taxpayer nearly as much as the entire total of all our budget contributions in our 47 membership of the EU.https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1235498/brexit-costs-so-far-how-much-has-brexit-cost-eu-membership-divorce-billhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the-cost-of-brexit-for-the-u-khttps://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1275442494939860997