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Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 07:52:08 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 06:22:57 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 05:02:07 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 04:42:13 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.No need to highlight any words Glyn. I can read it perfectly without thanks. It’s not a change in policy. The policy hadn’t changed. The EU just chose to ignore their own policy in this instance. So you agree it was policy and not a treaty. Good. Now we've got past that, how about a genuine example of the EU breaking a treaty?Smoke and mirrors Glyn. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty that was written and agreed upon by the EU...That they decided shouldn’t apply to France in this instance. But of course you knew that didn’t you. So, is it ok for the EU to break their own rules/laws by changing elements of their own treaties to suit their needs? Did you shout foul play when they broke this treaty to accommodate French overspend? Or doesn’t it fit your rose tinted view of the EU and you only have a fit when the UK do it?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 06:22:57 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 05:02:07 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 04:42:13 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.No need to highlight any words Glyn. I can read it perfectly without thanks. It’s not a change in policy. The policy hadn’t changed. The EU just chose to ignore their own policy in this instance. So you agree it was policy and not a treaty. Good. Now we've got past that, how about a genuine example of the EU breaking a treaty?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 05:02:07 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 04:42:13 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.No need to highlight any words Glyn. I can read it perfectly without thanks. It’s not a change in policy. The policy hadn’t changed. The EU just chose to ignore their own policy in this instance.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 05:02:07 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 04:42:13 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 04:42:13 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.
Out of interest HA, which treaties were those?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 08:37:41 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:26:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU. Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either. Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:26:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU. Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?
Quote from: wilts rover on September 10, 2020, 09:49:02 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 09:07:05 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 08:37:41 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:26:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU. Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either. Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it? It is impossible for the EU to break the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU - because the EU is not a signature to the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. This is a Treaty on the formation and functions of the EU as agreed by its member states. Only they can break it.If you wish to argue that France 'broke' their obligations then fair enough. It is up to the other member states to take action. This is a Treaty between states to form the EU. Not between the EU and those states.Wilts It is the responsibility of the Council to impose ‘punishment’ on member states that don’t adhere to treaty obligations not the other member states. In the French example it was the Council who made the decision to overlook the overspend. The signatories of the treaty didn’t choose to vary the agreement. There was no ratification of any treaty changes. Quite simply the Council made the decision to override the treaty. Yet, from what I can see, there was very little complaint about it.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 09:07:05 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 08:37:41 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:26:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU. Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either. Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it? It is impossible for the EU to break the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU - because the EU is not a signature to the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. This is a Treaty on the formation and functions of the EU as agreed by its member states. Only they can break it.If you wish to argue that France 'broke' their obligations then fair enough. It is up to the other member states to take action. This is a Treaty between states to form the EU. Not between the EU and those states.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 10:22:30 pmQuote from: wilts rover on September 10, 2020, 09:49:02 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 09:07:05 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 08:37:41 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:26:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU. Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either. Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it? It is impossible for the EU to break the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU - because the EU is not a signature to the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. This is a Treaty on the formation and functions of the EU as agreed by its member states. Only they can break it.If you wish to argue that France 'broke' their obligations then fair enough. It is up to the other member states to take action. This is a Treaty between states to form the EU. Not between the EU and those states.Wilts It is the responsibility of the Council to impose ‘punishment’ on member states that don’t adhere to treaty obligations not the other member states. In the French example it was the Council who made the decision to overlook the overspend. The signatories of the treaty didn’t choose to vary the agreement. There was no ratification of any treaty changes. Quite simply the Council made the decision to override the treaty. Yet, from what I can see, there was very little complaint about it. You really ought to read and try to understand Article 126.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:23:55 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 07:52:08 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 06:22:57 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 05:02:07 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 04:42:13 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/No mention of breaking a treaty in that. Try again?I wouldn’t have thought it’d need to explicit mention it You do. All I can see is a change of policy. No broken treaty anywhere.No need to highlight any words Glyn. I can read it perfectly without thanks. It’s not a change in policy. The policy hadn’t changed. The EU just chose to ignore their own policy in this instance. So you agree it was policy and not a treaty. Good. Now we've got past that, how about a genuine example of the EU breaking a treaty?Smoke and mirrors Glyn. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty that was written and agreed upon by the EU...That they decided shouldn’t apply to France in this instance. But of course you knew that didn’t you. So, is it ok for the EU to break their own rules/laws by changing elements of their own treaties to suit their needs? Did you shout foul play when they broke this treaty to accommodate French overspend? Or doesn’t it fit your rose tinted view of the EU and you only have a fit when the UK do it? Again, which treaty, and which clause was broken?Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 09:07:05 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 08:37:41 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:26:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU. Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either. Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it? The Excessive Deficit Procedure itself is not part of the Treaty.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 11, 2020, 01:23:30 amQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 10:22:30 pmQuote from: wilts rover on September 10, 2020, 09:49:02 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 09:07:05 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 08:37:41 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:26:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU. Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either. Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it? It is impossible for the EU to break the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU - because the EU is not a signature to the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. This is a Treaty on the formation and functions of the EU as agreed by its member states. Only they can break it.If you wish to argue that France 'broke' their obligations then fair enough. It is up to the other member states to take action. This is a Treaty between states to form the EU. Not between the EU and those states.Wilts It is the responsibility of the Council to impose ‘punishment’ on member states that don’t adhere to treaty obligations not the other member states. In the French example it was the Council who made the decision to overlook the overspend. The signatories of the treaty didn’t choose to vary the agreement. There was no ratification of any treaty changes. Quite simply the Council made the decision to override the treaty. Yet, from what I can see, there was very little complaint about it. You really ought to read and try to understand Article 126. Absolutely Glyn. I posted sufficient of it for him but I note that, again, he deigns to comment!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on September 11, 2020, 05:11:48 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 11, 2020, 01:23:30 amQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 10:22:30 pmQuote from: wilts rover on September 10, 2020, 09:49:02 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 09:07:05 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 08:37:41 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 08:26:03 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 08:17:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 04:01:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 10, 2020, 03:26:13 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 10, 2020, 12:35:21 pmOut of interest HA, which treaties were those?Google can't find any.In 2018 the EU ‘accepted’ France’s budget deficit above it’s self imposed 3% ceiling. As you may recall, this monumentally annoyed the Italians and the Greeks who were being shown very little flexibility by the EU at the time. Here’s a link for you. https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-lost-authority-after-caving-to-yellow-jackets-says-oettinger-brexit-eu-budget/amp/So, nothing to do with breaking treaties then?Yes it is to do with a treaty. It’s a policy that is part of a wider treaty signed and agreed by the EU. Which treaty is that then? And what clause has been broken? I'm asking because I'm getting the distinct impression you have no idea what a treaty is.Happy to help you understand what a treaty is Glyn. You only need to ask.It's the Excessive Deficit Procedure which is governed by the Article 126 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. The clause? I've no idea....but then again I'm sure you don't know either. Now, about the question that you've avoided answering. Do you also call foul play when the EU break the rules within their own treaties (as with the French example) or is it only when the UK does it? It is impossible for the EU to break the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU - because the EU is not a signature to the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU. This is a Treaty on the formation and functions of the EU as agreed by its member states. Only they can break it.If you wish to argue that France 'broke' their obligations then fair enough. It is up to the other member states to take action. This is a Treaty between states to form the EU. Not between the EU and those states.Wilts It is the responsibility of the Council to impose ‘punishment’ on member states that don’t adhere to treaty obligations not the other member states. In the French example it was the Council who made the decision to overlook the overspend. The signatories of the treaty didn’t choose to vary the agreement. There was no ratification of any treaty changes. Quite simply the Council made the decision to override the treaty. Yet, from what I can see, there was very little complaint about it. You really ought to read and try to understand Article 126. Absolutely Glyn. I posted sufficient of it for him but I note that, again, he deigns to comment!NNK Come on play nicely. Don’t fall into Glyn’s angry man persona!! There’s no time limit on replying is there? For the record, your copy and paste job says not much. The Council agreed a deficit existed but decided not to impose ‘punishment’ on France (France being one of the most powerful members of the EU of course) thus breaking the terms of the treaty!
Dawn Butler didn't do bad trying to set a couple of coppers up.
Why the time limit Billy, didn't you want the illegal war Blair led including, that was a decent breaking of international law wasn't it.
TT, your racial, you can disagree but not hate.