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Selby seems to be the only one on here who thinks Zahawi's ethnicity is relevant to this discussion.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 12, 2020, 11:30:44 amSelby seems to be the only one on here who thinks Zahawi's ethnicity is relevant to this discussion. He's got past on this, called me a racist for saying Brits on holiday abroad were increasing the spread in those countries Reckon he's just looking for a bite
Well at least it got the disciples out singing, The EU have just broken their own treaties allowing such as France to break their economic rules.
Glyn they aren't a couple of days late breaking international rules they set themselves. Remind me the last time their budget was passed off. The biggest ponzie system in the world.
Quote from: selby on September 12, 2020, 10:26:39 pm Glyn they aren't a couple of days late breaking international rules they set themselves. Remind me the last time their budget was passed off. The biggest ponzie system in the world.HA couldn't tell us which part of which treaty he maintained the EU has broken. I bet you can't either.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 12, 2020, 11:07:27 pmQuote from: selby on September 12, 2020, 10:26:39 pm Glyn they aren't a couple of days late breaking international rules they set themselves. Remind me the last time their budget was passed off. The biggest ponzie system in the world.HA couldn't tell us which part of which treaty he maintained the EU has broken. I bet you can't either.Glyn I did. Maybe if you spent less time sneering at anyone with a different opinion to you and opened your mind a little you’d understand? You need to understand that the EU isn’t a whiter than white organisation. It breaks treaties as all political organisations do. The point I’ve been trying to make, and one that seems to fly over your head, is that it’s hypocritical to call the UK Government for breaking treaty policies when the EU has done the same! Now, there may be a perfect justification for breaking the treaty policies in certain circumstances. You may agree with the French example or you may agree with the example below...that’s not my business here. The point I’m making (yet again) is that the EU have history here! I’m not moralising on the rights and wrongs of it! Anyway, here’s another one for you to ignore. The EU broke the terms of the Maastricht Treaty (Article 123 & Article 125) during the Eurozone crisis by issuing bail out aid to Greece (and other countries too in all probability)
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 13, 2020, 08:47:20 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 12, 2020, 11:07:27 pmQuote from: selby on September 12, 2020, 10:26:39 pm Glyn they aren't a couple of days late breaking international rules they set themselves. Remind me the last time their budget was passed off. The biggest ponzie system in the world.HA couldn't tell us which part of which treaty he maintained the EU has broken. I bet you can't either.Glyn I did. Maybe if you spent less time sneering at anyone with a different opinion to you and opened your mind a little you’d understand? You need to understand that the EU isn’t a whiter than white organisation. It breaks treaties as all political organisations do. The point I’ve been trying to make, and one that seems to fly over your head, is that it’s hypocritical to call the UK Government for breaking treaty policies when the EU has done the same! Now, there may be a perfect justification for breaking the treaty policies in certain circumstances. You may agree with the French example or you may agree with the example below...that’s not my business here. The point I’m making (yet again) is that the EU have history here! I’m not moralising on the rights and wrongs of it! Anyway, here’s another one for you to ignore. The EU broke the terms of the Maastricht Treaty (Article 123 & Article 125) during the Eurozone crisis by issuing bail out aid to Greece (and other countries too in all probability) Not again. The EU could not break the terms of the Maastrict Treaty because it is/was not a signatory to the Maastrict Treaty. The sigantories to the Maastrict Treaty are the individual countries that formed the EU at that time.You appear to haave the strange irrational hatred of the EU that I can only put down to you trying to justify your strange irrational hated of countries working together.I don't care. I don't care if several countries broke the terms of the Lisbon Treaty and Schengen Agreement by closing their borders during covid. That's up to them to sort out with the rest of the countries that didn't.What they have not done, never, ever, is stood up in Parliament and admitted they were deliberatly prepared to break International Law. We used to invade countries for doing that.
Glyn, I don't have to the German courts did it a couple of weeks ago, and the French threat to blockade ports is one for the future as is carrying on fishing in a sovereign countries waters mate.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 13, 2020, 08:47:20 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 12, 2020, 11:07:27 pmQuote from: selby on September 12, 2020, 10:26:39 pm Glyn they aren't a couple of days late breaking international rules they set themselves. Remind me the last time their budget was passed off. The biggest ponzie system in the world.HA couldn't tell us which part of which treaty he maintained the EU has broken. I bet you can't either.Glyn I did. Maybe if you spent less time sneering at anyone with a different opinion to you and opened your mind a little you’d understand? You need to understand that the EU isn’t a whiter than white organisation. It breaks treaties as all political organisations do. The point I’ve been trying to make, and one that seems to fly over your head, is that it’s hypocritical to call the UK Government for breaking treaty policies when the EU has done the same! Now, there may be a perfect justification for breaking the treaty policies in certain circumstances. You may agree with the French example or you may agree with the example below...that’s not my business here. The point I’m making (yet again) is that the EU have history here! I’m not moralising on the rights and wrongs of it! Anyway, here’s another one for you to ignore. The EU broke the terms of the Maastricht Treaty (Article 123 & Article 125) during the Eurozone crisis by issuing bail out aid to Greece (and other countries too in all probability) No you didn't. You just pointed at Article 126 as if that proved something and then when I actually read the damn thing, realised there had been no obvious contravention and then asked you to tell me which part of Article 126 had been broken...silence. Article 126 has built in flexibility that enables the EU to respond to events. It is not set in stone. Prove me wrong and tell everybody what the EU has broken in Article 126. As for Maastricht Treaty Article 123, read paragraph 2. Article 125 talks about specific projects, so WTF has that got to do with bailing out Greece? Even then, paragraph 2 gives the Council flexibility to redefine.You don't like hypocrisy, eh? You say I sneer but then you do the same to Wilts.
You don't like hypocrisy, eh? You say I sneer but then you do the same to Wilts.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 13, 2020, 07:49:30 pmYou don't like hypocrisy, eh? You say I sneer but then you do the same to Wilts. Did he, I didn't think so?I think he was deliberately misunderstanding/wrongly comparing the breaking of an International Treaty ratified at the United Nations. with a country not following the rules of an organisation it had signed up to - and the other members of that orgnisation not doing anything about it - and then having a go at other posters for wanting to discuss this rather than the internal workings of an organisation we have left.Herbert can clairfy if he want's. But I didn't take it as sneering and I don't beiieve he is that type of poster.
You’re clearly a fool who is blind to the truth Wilts. Do you actually understand how the EU works? It really is like banging your head against a brick wall here.
Quote from: wilts rover on September 13, 2020, 08:23:57 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on September 13, 2020, 07:49:30 pmYou don't like hypocrisy, eh? You say I sneer but then you do the same to Wilts. Did he, I didn't think so?I think he was deliberately misunderstanding/wrongly comparing the breaking of an International Treaty ratified at the United Nations. with a country not following the rules of an organisation it had signed up to - and the other members of that orgnisation not doing anything about it - and then having a go at other posters for wanting to discuss this rather than the internal workings of an organisation we have left.Herbert can clairfy if he want's. But I didn't take it as sneering and I don't beiieve he is that type of poster.I was thinking of this bit:QuoteYou’re clearly a fool who is blind to the truth Wilts. Do you actually understand how the EU works? It really is like banging your head against a brick wall here.
Quote from: drfchound on September 10, 2020, 08:16:27 amQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 12:02:08 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on September 09, 2020, 10:04:47 pmQuote from: selby on September 09, 2020, 09:12:26 am Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time. I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less. Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK? https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either. Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?Why are you referring to me NNK?I’m not so sure why he has said that I am afraid of the truth either. Quite simple Hound; you have said on a number of occasions that you choose not to read some articles that are posted on here. Oh, by the way, did you read the article I linked to?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 12:02:08 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on September 09, 2020, 10:04:47 pmQuote from: selby on September 09, 2020, 09:12:26 am Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time. I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less. Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK? https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either. Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?Why are you referring to me NNK?I’m not so sure why he has said that I am afraid of the truth either.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on September 09, 2020, 10:04:47 pmQuote from: selby on September 09, 2020, 09:12:26 am Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time. I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less. Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK? https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either. Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?Why are you referring to me NNK?
Quote from: selby on September 09, 2020, 09:12:26 am Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time. I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less. Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK? https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either. Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?
Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on September 10, 2020, 09:12:17 pmQuote from: drfchound on September 10, 2020, 08:16:27 amQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on September 10, 2020, 12:02:08 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on September 09, 2020, 10:04:47 pmQuote from: selby on September 09, 2020, 09:12:26 am Stop moralising Kato about ripping up agreements, the Germans have been ace at it in the past ask Russia and Chamberlain, them two agreements went wrong big time. I'm not moralising selby, simply stating the facts - neither more, nor less. Here are a few more facts for you, what would ‘trading on WTO terms’ mean for the UK? https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/What-would-trading-on-WTO-terms-mean-Long-Guide.pdf I'm guessing you won't read it though, and I suspect people like Herbert and Hound won't read it either. Why are people like you so afraid of the truth?Why are you referring to me NNK?I’m not so sure why he has said that I am afraid of the truth either. Quite simple Hound; you have said on a number of occasions that you choose not to read some articles that are posted on here. Oh, by the way, did you read the article I linked to?Just seen your above post NNK.I don’t know why you think that my not reading all of the posts on here makes me afraid of the truth (whatever that is).