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He's saying the UK including NI will leave the CU, but there'll be no need for any checks of stuff going across the border.Name ANY border between two different regulatory authorities, anywhere in the world, where there are no checks.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 03, 2019, 12:11:18 pmHe's saying the UK including NI will leave the CU, but there'll be no need for any checks of stuff going across the border.Name ANY border between two different regulatory authorities, anywhere in the world, where there are no checks.That's not, as I interpret it, what he is saying. He's admitting all the usual checks you would expect will need to happen, but they wouldn't happen at the physical border. Its a virtual border, spread over many different locations. Interestingly, small businesses are exempt from any border checks. How they work that I don't know. As an Irish MEP I heard an interview from said, the devil is really in the detail. If this is what they are going to suggest, they need a detailed plan of what is actually means in reality. Otherwise, its just a return to the 'technology solves everything' line.Then.... there is the issue that Nothern Ireland will kind of follow some of the EU regulatory framework, kind of not. Necessitating the need for another half-baked border across the Irish Sea.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 05:18:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.Thanks for that explanation.However, what you say is all well and good but.........we have no guarantee that whatever the interim government came up with, that the EU would accept it.We also don’t know whether we would be allowed a further extension.Genuinely, what happens then?
Quote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.
Yeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on October 03, 2019, 12:53:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 03, 2019, 12:11:18 pmHe's saying the UK including NI will leave the CU, but there'll be no need for any checks of stuff going across the border.Name ANY border between two different regulatory authorities, anywhere in the world, where there are no checks.That's not, as I interpret it, what he is saying. He's admitting all the usual checks you would expect will need to happen, but they wouldn't happen at the physical border. Its a virtual border, spread over many different locations. Interestingly, small businesses are exempt from any border checks. How they work that I don't know. As an Irish MEP I heard an interview from said, the devil is really in the detail. If this is what they are going to suggest, they need a detailed plan of what is actually means in reality. Otherwise, its just a return to the 'technology solves everything' line.Then.... there is the issue that Nothern Ireland will kind of follow some of the EU regulatory framework, kind of not. Necessitating the need for another half-baked border across the Irish Sea.In other words, it’s total b*llocks..
Quote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 05:34:55 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 05:18:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.Thanks for that explanation.However, what you say is all well and good but.........we have no guarantee that whatever the interim government came up with, that the EU would accept it.We also don’t know whether we would be allowed a further extension.Genuinely, what happens then?We could revoke Article 50 and stay in (LibDem policy)
BST. It doesn't give Northern Ireland an option to pull out of anything. There will always be at least one border (most likely always two). It gives NI the choice of where the 'hardness' of that border lies (a choice which they apparently will renew every 4 years). That is, whether they want to align more with EU or UK regulations.Some nutters may argue this is more ''democratic" (for NI), but this critically ignores the real world potentially politically/socially damaging consequences of a perpetual debate in NI of whether they want to align wit the EU (i.e. Ireland) or UK.
Quote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 01:53:26 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 05:34:55 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 05:18:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.Thanks for that explanation.However, what you say is all well and good but.........we have no guarantee that whatever the interim government came up with, that the EU would accept it.We also don’t know whether we would be allowed a further extension.Genuinely, what happens then?We could revoke Article 50 and stay in (LibDem policy)Dream on. The only thing that Leavers and Remainers have agreed upon on this forum recently is what a pathetic shambles the Lib Dems are.
Quote from: scawsby steve on October 03, 2019, 04:13:13 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 01:53:26 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 05:34:55 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 05:18:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.Thanks for that explanation.However, what you say is all well and good but.........we have no guarantee that whatever the interim government came up with, that the EU would accept it.We also don’t know whether we would be allowed a further extension.Genuinely, what happens then?We could revoke Article 50 and stay in (LibDem policy)Dream on. The only thing that Leavers and Remainers have agreed upon on this forum recently is what a pathetic shambles the Lib Dems are.I wasn't suggesting that we SHOULD do it. It was just that some posters had asked what COULD be done
Quote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 05:54:22 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on October 03, 2019, 04:13:13 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 01:53:26 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 05:34:55 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 05:18:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.Thanks for that explanation.However, what you say is all well and good but.........we have no guarantee that whatever the interim government came up with, that the EU would accept it.We also don’t know whether we would be allowed a further extension.Genuinely, what happens then?We could revoke Article 50 and stay in (LibDem policy)Dream on. The only thing that Leavers and Remainers have agreed upon on this forum recently is what a pathetic shambles the Lib Dems are.I wasn't suggesting that we SHOULD do it. It was just that some posters had asked what COULD be doneThe simple answer to that is that nothing can be done. This sh*tshow will just go on for years and years.
In the interests of sanity and getting it done, the only answer is No-brexit, signed sealed and delivered, lets do it guys.
Quote from: scawsby steve on October 03, 2019, 06:18:22 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 05:54:22 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on October 03, 2019, 04:13:13 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 01:53:26 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 05:34:55 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 05:18:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.Thanks for that explanation.However, what you say is all well and good but.........we have no guarantee that whatever the interim government came up with, that the EU would accept it.We also don’t know whether we would be allowed a further extension.Genuinely, what happens then?We could revoke Article 50 and stay in (LibDem policy)Dream on. The only thing that Leavers and Remainers have agreed upon on this forum recently is what a pathetic shambles the Lib Dems are.I wasn't suggesting that we SHOULD do it. It was just that some posters had asked what COULD be doneThe simple answer to that is that nothing can be done. This sh*tshow will just go on for years and years.But the simple answer isn't the correct one
Out of interest on october 31 st (midnight 30th) will the European time be exactly the same as British Time ? assume it must be ?
Quote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 07:08:43 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on October 03, 2019, 06:18:22 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 05:54:22 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on October 03, 2019, 04:13:13 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 01:53:26 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 05:34:55 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 05:18:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.Thanks for that explanation.However, what you say is all well and good but.........we have no guarantee that whatever the interim government came up with, that the EU would accept it.We also don’t know whether we would be allowed a further extension.Genuinely, what happens then?We could revoke Article 50 and stay in (LibDem policy)Dream on. The only thing that Leavers and Remainers have agreed upon on this forum recently is what a pathetic shambles the Lib Dems are.I wasn't suggesting that we SHOULD do it. It was just that some posters had asked what COULD be doneThe simple answer to that is that nothing can be done. This sh*tshow will just go on for years and years.But the simple answer isn't the correct oneIsn’t it?
Quote from: drfchound on October 03, 2019, 08:01:02 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 07:08:43 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on October 03, 2019, 06:18:22 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 05:54:22 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on October 03, 2019, 04:13:13 pmQuote from: red w(h)ine on October 03, 2019, 01:53:26 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 05:34:55 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 02, 2019, 05:18:56 pmQuote from: drfchound on October 02, 2019, 04:17:13 pmYeah but I asked what happens if the EU won’t give another extension.If Boris asks for the extension, he's complied with the Benn Act, Parliament cant force the EU to give one. If MPs want to stop No Deal in those circumstances they'll have to do something else. It'd probably force them to bang their heads together and work something out so they can introduce a VONC with the certainty of there being a replacement (albeit temporary) Government that commands a majority and gets the reins out of Boris's and Cummings' hands.Thanks for that explanation.However, what you say is all well and good but.........we have no guarantee that whatever the interim government came up with, that the EU would accept it.We also don’t know whether we would be allowed a further extension.Genuinely, what happens then?We could revoke Article 50 and stay in (LibDem policy)Dream on. The only thing that Leavers and Remainers have agreed upon on this forum recently is what a pathetic shambles the Lib Dems are.I wasn't suggesting that we SHOULD do it. It was just that some posters had asked what COULD be doneThe simple answer to that is that nothing can be done. This sh*tshow will just go on for years and years.But the simple answer isn't the correct oneIsn’t it?"The simple answer to that is that nothing can be done" isn't correct
Dead simple Steve it's time the adults told our representatives that we're fed up with chaos, fed up with the UK sinking into the fiscal swamp, fed up with the tories rule after going on 10 wasted years of mayhem and tell them we want to kick farage and brexit into touch. We are the employers they work for us we pay them, maybe it's time for everyone to get out on the streets.