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It'll lose by 50+ votes tomorrow. And May will once again insist that it must be passed. But, oddly, she'll continue to insist that a vote three years ago is sacrosanct for all time, and must not be put to the test again.
TRBI wonder where his funding will come from...
The DUP have just said they'd rather stay in the EU than risk the Union.Are the ERG going to follow them on that one?
Quote from: wilts rover on March 28, 2019, 09:06:14 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on March 28, 2019, 03:45:53 pmQuote from: The Red Baron on March 28, 2019, 03:12:12 pmThey may well gain control of the Tory Party, but in doing so they will make it unelectable.Outside of the Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire the Labour party are not that popular whoever are running the Conservatives. Even just over the border into North Lincs they wouldn't win here.Despite them having an MP there?Andrew Percy is Conservative.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on March 28, 2019, 03:45:53 pmQuote from: The Red Baron on March 28, 2019, 03:12:12 pmThey may well gain control of the Tory Party, but in doing so they will make it unelectable.Outside of the Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire the Labour party are not that popular whoever are running the Conservatives. Even just over the border into North Lincs they wouldn't win here.Despite them having an MP there?
Quote from: The Red Baron on March 28, 2019, 03:12:12 pmThey may well gain control of the Tory Party, but in doing so they will make it unelectable.Outside of the Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire the Labour party are not that popular whoever are running the Conservatives. Even just over the border into North Lincs they wouldn't win here.
They may well gain control of the Tory Party, but in doing so they will make it unelectable.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 28, 2019, 08:17:04 pmIt'll lose by 50+ votes tomorrow. And May will once again insist that it must be passed. But, oddly, she'll continue to insist that a vote three years ago is sacrosanct for all time, and must not be put to the test again. Well, I've had a shocking run of political predictions, but hopefully, this is the start of a run of better form...
I think we have just seen the day when the labour party have probably died
I can see an intermediary path. MPs are talking about votes/propositions being coupled on Monday... with negotiating a customs union the most supported outcome. The government could then couple a third (edit:fourth. I'm losing count) meaningful vote on the WA with a commitment to negotiate a firm customs union ... as opposed to the best of both worlds approach they seemingly want that leaves us in the 'backstop' if and when talks for a trade agreement break down. The EU are seemingly willing to do this.Labour whipped their MPs to vote for Clarke's proposal.
The devil will be in the detail between that customers union (i.e. the backstop) and a customs union. (and how its sold)
Quote from: Copps is Magic on March 29, 2019, 09:30:19 pmThe devil will be in the detail between that customers union (i.e. the backstop) and a customs union. (and how its sold)My understanding is that Clarke's proposal is to be in the EU Customs Union as is, not the nebulous 'a' Customs Union Labour are on about.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 29, 2019, 09:33:45 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on March 29, 2019, 09:30:19 pmThe devil will be in the detail between that customers union (i.e. the backstop) and a customs union. (and how its sold)My understanding is that Clarke's proposal is to be in the EU Customs Union as is, not the nebulous 'a' Customs Union Labour are on about.That's not how I understand it. If the wording on the BBC is correct it ''calls for the UK to negotiate a permanent customs union with the EU after Brexit".https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47715933
Quote from: Copps is Magic on March 29, 2019, 09:07:16 pmI can see an intermediary path. MPs are talking about votes/propositions being coupled on Monday... with negotiating a customs union the most supported outcome. The government could then couple a third (edit:fourth. I'm losing count) meaningful vote on the WA with a commitment to negotiate a firm customs union ... as opposed to the best of both worlds approach they seemingly want that leaves us in the 'backstop' if and when talks for a trade agreement break down. The EU are seemingly willing to do this.Labour whipped their MPs to vote for Clarke's proposal.To be honest, I can see the basis of a solution in there. Unfortunately I don't think Labour will go for it.
Quote from: The Red Baron on March 29, 2019, 09:16:01 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on March 29, 2019, 09:07:16 pmI can see an intermediary path. MPs are talking about votes/propositions being coupled on Monday... with negotiating a customs union the most supported outcome. The government could then couple a third (edit:fourth. I'm losing count) meaningful vote on the WA with a commitment to negotiate a firm customs union ... as opposed to the best of both worlds approach they seemingly want that leaves us in the 'backstop' if and when talks for a trade agreement break down. The EU are seemingly willing to do this.Labour whipped their MPs to vote for Clarke's proposal.To be honest, I can see the basis of a solution in there. Unfortunately I don't think Labour will go for it. Why is that they voted for all the CU alternatives on Wednesday? It was the Tories, Lib Dems, SDP & TIGGERS who refused to support them.It wont get thro without Tory support & May has always said - and she repeated it today - that she would never support a CU or SM.