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''Don’t expect Brexit to give us a British Alexander Hamilton''https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/brexit-british-alexander-hamilton-revolutionariesPS if you're mistakenly pissed off over thinking we are being badly treated by the EU, you ain't seen nothing yet if we do leave.
That comment I made above about how the entire intellectual construct of the Leave argument has collapsed. Little f**king wonder is it, when you had bell-ends like Douglas Carswell providing the philosophical underpinning for the Leave side. Here he is telling a professor of physics that he's wrong on something that's been established since the days of Isaac f**king Newton. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/douglas-carswell-tides-ukip-experts-science-mp-a7318461.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
AlbieSo what are you suggesting?That we give up rational debate and have a policy of pushing OUR version of reality more effectively than they push THEIR version?No Billy,What I am saying is that the way in which a different interpretation is sold is not by counter assertion, or an appeal to consider detail that is outside the world view of the target audience.So how do you respect the fact that people voted a particular way for their own reasons, which are different to yours, while bringing some real world considerations into play?It depends in part on how you put a question. "Bring back control" is a powerful meme to those who feel that they have no control. The false association is concluding that the EU is the reason that they experience that powerlessness.Those without control or belief in their future prospects will still be as vulnerable after Brexit as they were when voting. It is precisely to exploit that weakness that the Leave campaign seeks to achieve.Maybe one suggestion would be to commit to a root and branch reform of the electoral system, new rules governing the relationship of commercial interests to the political process. There are a whole set of potential reforms that might give those on the outside a reason to really take back control, not just hand it to the JRM,BJ crew.Perhaps the UK should really bottom out the true reasons for discontent...........like austerity, creeping privatisation, disregard of social welfare, public sector cuts leading to lack of services, regressive taxation etc.........and come up with a plan to abolish all those worries.It might just catch on.
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 01, 2019, 09:42:33 am''Don’t expect Brexit to give us a British Alexander Hamilton''https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/brexit-british-alexander-hamilton-revolutionariesPS if you're mistakenly pissed off over thinking we are being badly treated by the EU, you ain't seen nothing yet if we do leave.What a load of twaddle
Quote from: Sprotyrover on January 01, 2019, 12:29:55 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on January 01, 2019, 09:42:33 am''Don’t expect Brexit to give us a British Alexander Hamilton''https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/brexit-british-alexander-hamilton-revolutionariesPS if you're mistakenly pissed off over thinking we are being badly treated by the EU, you ain't seen nothing yet if we do leave.What a load of twaddleThe point I'm trying to make here, well or not is that if anyone is thinking we will be in a better bargaining position with the EU following any type of brexit is going to sadly disappointed, happy for you to explain how this will not be true Wilts.
The EU will bottle it at the last minute when they see thirty nine big ones going down the tubes.