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Well I will give you that one, but isn't he a young un likely to have voted to remain dumpling.
The vast majority who voted remain accept the result. The challenge is in implementing it in the best interests of the country, something which the government isn’t doing particularly well, is it.?
That is why I voted remain Kato, knowing that we would fudge it if the result was leave. The difference is I have accepted I lost and have not spent four years moaning and bitching about it, and have accepted the result of a democratic vote, and I might add the house of commons voting to verify it, and the results of the following two general elections with Brexit the main bone of contention, nor have I insulted others until insulted myself first. Nor do the insults bother me one iota, although I will respond, and it helps to know it obviously gets under their skin doing so. It's quite funny really.
If it bothers you that much and puts you out bugga off over the channel then , nobody's stopping you .
Quote from: selby on July 10, 2020, 05:53:07 pm Well I will give you that one, but isn't he a young un likely to have voted to remain dumpling.No I'll tell you who that bloke in the video is Selby , that's me 18 months ago after getting made redundant going to Wombwell Library to sign up for some god forbidden agency and the three minimum wage jobs that they were kindly offering on the bull shyte temp to perm gig they like to dangle .12 of us turn up of which it becomes apparent that apart from myself and another kid 10 are eastern European .I fill in the forms and have the interview and despite the fact I've done practically to same job for 25 years and can offer you references to back that up the interview is about as far as I get .Don't even get me started on this shyte and on this particular EU point because Tony Blair can go feck himself along with the rest of the EU cheap labour people traffickers that they are in Brussels .There's little point people in well furnished offices looking through the window on this fine , green and pleasant land and preaching to me about reality or this and that until you've walked in those shoes .And it's hardly the first time either for me personally .I couldn't actually give a shyte how much poverty there is in Romania because it's enough to be going on with how much there is around these parts which includes my own daughter if we didn't help them out .If it bothers you that much and puts you out bugga off over the channel then , nobody's stopping you .Rant over .
Here you go Tyke, this is what you voted for - irrespective of the results of any negotiations.... https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/eu-launches-its-own-shock-and-awe-campaign-early/?fbclid=IwAR1l8266ECUKNQosho_4J3Byk-Bx8uMBF_wn-WPihSdIhE7Sx4O2RvdhzFM Now in what way is any of that helping your daughter?
Customs formalities on goodsCustoms rules required under EU law will apply to all goods entering the customs territory of the EU from the United Kingdom, or leaving that customs territory to the United Kingdom. Even if an ambitious free trade area is established with the EU, providing for zero tariffs and zero quotas on goods with customs and regulatory cooperation, all the regulatory non-tariff barriers, usually far more costly in extra paperwork and delays than any tariff, will still apply.Rules of originAgain, if we agree a trade deal with zero tariffs, goods traded will have to be shown (with evidence if necessary) to have a minimum percentage of UK content in order for them to be entitled to preferential zero-tariff-zero-quota treatment. It’s worth bearing in mind that most cars manufactured in the UK do not meet the minimum percentage set out in the EU- Korean FTA, for example, which is 55 per cent.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on July 11, 2020, 08:34:10 amHere you go Tyke, this is what you voted for - irrespective of the results of any negotiations.... https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/eu-launches-its-own-shock-and-awe-campaign-early/?fbclid=IwAR1l8266ECUKNQosho_4J3Byk-Bx8uMBF_wn-WPihSdIhE7Sx4O2RvdhzFM Now in what way is any of that helping your daughter? QuoteCustoms formalities on goodsCustoms rules required under EU law will apply to all goods entering the customs territory of the EU from the United Kingdom, or leaving that customs territory to the United Kingdom. Even if an ambitious free trade area is established with the EU, providing for zero tariffs and zero quotas on goods with customs and regulatory cooperation, all the regulatory non-tariff barriers, usually far more costly in extra paperwork and delays than any tariff, will still apply.Rules of originAgain, if we agree a trade deal with zero tariffs, goods traded will have to be shown (with evidence if necessary) to have a minimum percentage of UK content in order for them to be entitled to preferential zero-tariff-zero-quota treatment. It’s worth bearing in mind that most cars manufactured in the UK do not meet the minimum percentage set out in the EU- Korean FTA, for example, which is 55 per cent.Exactly what I've been saying for the past five years. But then, how could I possibly know what would happen, eh?
While you believe the lies in the Guardian
I bet they didn't even sell it in Wombwell Glyn, The Morning Star perhaps?
Go on let out the secret, it's the Mail isn't it.
Brexit is based on blatant mistruths and lies. You may not believe this now, but we will all believe it next year, when Brexit finally arrives, cold, clammy and callous, naked and exposed.Every reason given to leave was a stinking falsification. When, one day, there is a public inquiry into how our country was conned, there will be gasps into how conniving, cunning politicians managed to get away with it.Lies, lies and more lies. That’s how Leave won.In summary:▪ MORE SOVEREIGNTY? Nonsense. We’ll get less. In the EU, we gained a share of sovereignty of our continent. Outside the EU, we’ll still live on a planet and have to obey thousands of international laws and treaties.We share sovereignty with NATO, for example. Is that a reason to leave it?▪ FEWER MIGRANTS? Really? Just think about it. Most EU migrants in Britain have been in gainful employment, doing jobs that we simply don’t have enough Britons to do, and making a massive NET contribution to our Treasury and economy.Migrants come here for jobs – and if there are no jobs, they mostly don’t come, or don’t stay.▪ MORE HOUSES, SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS? Think again. Britain has a chronic shortage of skilled workers. Without EU migrants, we’ll have fewer builders, teachers, doctors and nurses.Migrants are not the cause of our problems. Blaming them just excuses successive UK governments from investing sufficiently in our country.▪ GET OUR COUNTRY BACK? We never lost it. If being in the EU means losing your country, why aren’t the 27 other EU member states planning to leave?(Really, none of them are: support for the EU is the highest it’s been in 35 years).▪ OUR OWN LAWS? The vast majority of laws in the UK are our laws and passed by our Parliament in Westminster, otherwise it would have nothing to do.But in the EU, we benefit from laws and regulations for our continent that no single country alone could ever achieve.Could our UK government have got mobile phone companies to scrap exorbitant roaming charges across the entire EU? To take Google to task for “abusive practices”? To ensure generous compensation for delayed flights across our continent? Of course not.It took the might of 28 EU countries working together to achieve that, and so much more.▪ THE EU IS RUN BY FACELESS BUREAUCRATS? Another lie. The EU is a democracy, run and ruled by its members, the 27 countries of the EU, along with its democratically elected European Parliament.The European Commission is the servant of the EU, not its master, and the European Parliament has the power to choose, and dismiss, the entire Commission.THE CASE FOR BRETURNBefore Brexit, no member state had ever left the EU. And no other member state is planning to leave now.That’s hardly surprising. All the reasons to be an EU member are based on true, tangible and tested benefits over many decades.In summary:▪ PROFITABLE: EU membership is profitable – in real terms it cost Britain nothing to belong to the EU. On the contrary, we got back many times the cost of the annual membership fee. Being in the EU made us better off.The CBI has calculated that EU membership was worth around £3,000 a year to every British family — a return of nearly £10 for each £1 we paid in.[Source: CBI Report: Our Global Future, page 11:]▪ PEACE: It’s the structure of the EU that has helped to ensure that no shots have ever been fired between member states. That’s an enormous achievement for a continent that was previously used to violence, wars and subjugation as the way to ‘settle’ issues.In 2012, by a unanimous decision of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, the EU won the Nobel Peace Prize for advancing the causes of peace, democracy and human rights in Europe for over 60 years.▪ FREEDOMS: The EU gives members freedom across much of our continent.EU citizens enjoy the right to live, work, study or retire in any EU and EEA country – including access to state healthcare and education when working in those countries. That’s a precious right, that took decades to achieve.The EU also gives members the right to free AND frictionless trade between member states, which has helped to maintain Europe as the planet’s richest continent.The loss of these freedoms will be increasingly devastating for Britain and Britons.Almost half of ALL our exports, and just over half of ALL our imports, go to and come from the EU. Nowhere else in the world comes even close.The EU has an iron tariff wall against non-members. Outside of the EU, we are on the wrong side of that wall.Even non-European countries that have negotiated ‘free trade’ agreements with the EU don’t enjoy full free trade access to Europe’s internal market, as Britain did as an EU member.▪ DEMOCRACY: EU members have a democratic say, votes and vetoes on the running and future direction of our continent.Outside the EU, Britain can only look on as those decisions are made without us – even though those decisions will affect us just as much, whether we’re in the EU or not.Leaving means losing sovereignty, not gaining it.▪ POWER: The EU is the world’s largest and most successful trading bloc, and the world’s biggest exporter and importer of manufactured goods and services.The EU is one of the world’s top three economies, alongside the USA and China.The Euro, in record time, has become the world’s most traded and trusted currency, alongside the US dollar.All that gives the EU huge power, reach and muscle – enabling it to negotiate the best free trade agreements with other countries on behalf of its members.Outside the EU, Britain is unlikely to get trade deals as good as, let alone better than, the free trade agreements we had as an EU member covering over 70 countries.In any event, it will take years, maybe decades to find out.▪ PROTECTION: EU laws protecting the rights of workers, consumers and travellers across our continent are probably among the most important EU membership benefits.For example, 4-weeks paid holiday a year; the 48-hour working week; anti-discrimination law; guaranteed rights for agency workers; guaranteed worker consultation – all of these protections largely exist because of the EU.No single national government can assure safety and protection across our continent. It needs the reach of a pan-European intergovernmental organisation to achieve that (albeit with the democratic consensus of member states).Britain enjoys cleaner beaches as a direct result of EU directives on protecting the environment. Before those directives, successive British governments were not interested in cleaning up our beaches.In addition, the EU is leading the world in tackling climate change – something that individual countries alone simply can’t undertake.The government’s post-Brexit plan is to take away the rights of British citizens to sue them over issues such as workers’ rights, environmental policy and business regulation. This right to sue our government on these issues was something we only enjoyed under EU law.There will be many other rights lost as a direct result of Brexit.▪ STRENGTH: In a world dominated by the USA, China and Russia, Britain is dwarfed on its own. Being part of the EU gives us a bigger say and more strength on the global stage than as a small country out-at-sea and going-it-alone.We could instead become closer to the USA – but is that what we really want?
I think a fair few of us knew Glyn, it's just that others would rather believe the lies they read in the Daily Mail, Express etc!
Quote from: Not Now Kato on July 11, 2020, 11:22:00 am I think a fair few of us knew Glyn, it's just that others would rather believe the lies they read in the Daily Mail, Express etc!The latest one being the front of today's Sunday Express, where they're spouting that we're 'taking back control of our borders' by beefing up border posts, and that by doing so it's the Government threatening the RU with No Deal. What complete bullshit. We have to set up proper border controls anyway, whether we get a Deal or not because every movement of goods between the UK and the EU is suddenly on Jan 1st going to have to have a Customs Declaration and undergo Clearance procedures, in both directions. And yet there are those who swallow this kind of crap without a squeak and regurgitate it in these forums - and expect others to take them seriously.
Who the hell knows what went on or what is going on Kato? One thing is for sure these guys are pulling everyines plonka.''Revealed: Dominic Cummings firm paid Vote Leave's AI firm £260,000Boris Johnson’s chief adviser declines to explain reason for payments to Faculty''https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/12/revealed-dominic-cummings-firm-paid-vote-leaves-ai-firm-260000
Michael Gove, cabinet office minister, has announced a £705m package of measures to strengthen Britain’s borders, claiming it would help the UK “seize the opportunities” of Brexit.Mr Gove has had to delay by six months the full implementation of border controls from January 1 — when the Brexit transition period ends — after he claimed Covid-19 had held up preparations.That has led to tensions with Liz Truss, trade secretary, who said the porous border could lead to smuggling and breach Britain’s obligations under the World Trade Organization to carry out checks.Mr Gove’s plans include new border control posts and 500 extra Border Force staff, with proposals to set up checks away from ports that do not have the space to expand customs controls.The money will include £470m for port and inland infrastructure and £235m for IT systems and staffing, while there will also be more cash for HM Revenue & Customs to reduce the burden on traders who will face new paperwork when trading with the EU.