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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on September 08, 2022, 01:46:29 pm
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Not looking good.
https://twitter.com/JustinWelby/status/1567847355549978624
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I'm no Royalist but have the greatest respect for The Queen.
She's worked tirelessly for her country all her life.
I hope she pulls through.
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Most probably neither are thousands of other elderly people in the UK today many of whom are younger than she is .
She's no different to anybody else .
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I've no royalist axe to grind, but she's been a major historical figure. If she's on her way out, this is a significant moment in our history.
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That's it then.
https://twitter.com/scottygb/status/1567857434948943873
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Bit harsh tyke
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Bit harsh tyke
Probably not a good time to debate my anti royalist opinions so I won't .
That said I hope she pulls through the same as I'd say about almost everyone who is ill and elderly .
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Tuesday an anti monarchist meets her to become PM, Thursday the Queen takes a turn for the worse Mmmmm
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The Bbc presenters have donned black ti
es. It's not looking good for her.
Also Harry and Meghan are rushing to her bedside. That'll cheer them all up.
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Tuesday an anti monarchist meets her to become PM, Thursday the Queen takes a turn for the worse Mmmmm
That video of a young Truss spitting her hatred of the Monarchy may well come back to haunt her.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/liz-truss-monarchy-republicanism-abolish-b2128076.html
For those who haven't seen it.
Bit of a firebrand, wasn't she?
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Not sure the queen's health and politics should be discussed together ffs.
What the queen has seen, done and achieved in her life is largely unparalleled and unlikely to be seen again. Much more good than bad but it is inevitable that the clock is going to run out at some point soon.
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Not sure the queen's health and politics should be discussed together ffs.
What the queen has seen, done and achieved in her life is largely unparalleled and unlikely to be seen again. Much more good than bad but it is inevitable that the clock is going to run out at some point soon.
Agree, very easy to take cheap shots at a time like this when we have a situation that is totally unprecedented for just about everyone alive today in this country.
I'm no royalist but you have to give credit to her for her total devotion to duty, i'm concerned about what follows her with the jug eared one champing at the bit to make his mark and his awful offspring and equally awful spouse hoping to extract maximum opportunity from even this.
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Probably a debate about Royalty worth having at a more appropriate time perhaps .
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Tuesday an anti monarchist meets her to become PM, Thursday the Queen takes a turn for the worse Mmmmm
That video of a young Truss spitting her hatred of the Monarchy may well come back to haunt her.
I think that virtually everyone has said stuff in the past that they regret at some time afterwards.
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Definitely not sounding good “hope for the best prepare for the worst”
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I see David Cotterill has gone full David Cotterill again…
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Bit harsh tyke
Probably not a good time to debate my anti royalist opinions so I won't .
That said I hope she pulls through the same as I'd say about almost everyone who is ill and elderly .
I'm a republican but that doesn't mean I ignore the humanity or the historical contribution of the incumbent. You really need to be able to separate the person from the position.
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The Bbc presenters have donned black ti
es. It's not looking good for her.
Also Harry and Meghan are rushing to her bedside. That'll cheer them all up.
Meghan ain't going, just Harry is.
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The Bbc presenters have donned black ti
es. It's not looking good for her.
Also Harry and Meghan are rushing to her bedside. That'll cheer them all up.
Meghan ain't going, just Harry is.
Yep, she’s too busy writing her next Blog and re editing Ginners book.
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The Bbc presenters have donned black ti
es. It's not looking good for her.
Also Harry and Meghan are rushing to her bedside. That'll cheer them all up.
Meghan ain't going, just Harry is.
Yep, she’s too busy writing her next Blog and re editing Ginners book.
You are Liz Truss as a teenager and I claim my £5.
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Not sure the queen's health and politics should be discussed together ffs.
What the queen has seen, done and achieved in her life is largely unparalleled and unlikely to be seen again. Much more good than bad but it is inevitable that the clock is going to run out at some point soon.
Absolutely this.
Just how many more posts in the off topic page, get political references squirm in?
Its getting boring now let it go ffs.
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She has gone.
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RIP your Highness. You were a wonderful monarch.
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We are Carolans now rather than Elizabethans I believe
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RIP
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A very sad day .
RIP Elizabeth , a life well lived .
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We are Carolans now rather than Elizabethans I believe
It depends what regnal name he chooses. There's a suspicion that we might be Georgians.
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Indeed, RIP.
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We are Carolans now rather than Elizabethans I believe
It depends what regnal name he chooses. There's a suspicion that we might be Georgians.
George an' the Dragon ?
Apologies for that
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We are Carolans now rather than Elizabethans I believe
It depends what regnal name he chooses. There's a suspicion that we might be Georgians.
Confirmed King Charles III
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We are Carolans now rather than Elizabethans I believe
It depends what regnal name he chooses. There's a suspicion that we might be Georgians.
George an' the Dragon ?
Apologies for that
No mate, you were right first time.
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We are Carolans now rather than Elizabethans I believe
It depends what regnal name he chooses. There's a suspicion that we might be Georgians.
Confirmed King Charles III
Surely it should be Charles I?
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We are Carolans now rather than Elizabethans I believe
It depends what regnal name he chooses. There's a suspicion that we might be Georgians.
Confirmed King Charles III
Surely it should be Charles I?
We’ve had 1 and 2, 1 was executed, 2 was the restoration after Cromwell
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
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Love this story.
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1567894552744271872
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A wonderful monarch who was highly respected and adored all over the world. She made many of us proud to be British. God love her.
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
Presumably just England I think Billy in those times before the union came about .
So technically it should be King Charles 1
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
England
Should Queen Elizabeth II, been Queen Elizabeth I by that logic?
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Racing at Doncaster cancelled tomorrow
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
Presumably just England I think Billy in those times before the union came about .
So technically it should be King Charles 1
They were Kings of England, Scotland and Ireland weren't they?
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
England
Should Queen Elizabeth II, been Queen Elizabeth I by that logic?
I always thought she should have been Elizabeth I. Our country has only existed since 1921.
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
Presumably just England I think Billy in those times before the union came about .
So technically it should be King Charles 1
They were Kings of England, Scotland and Ireland weren't they?
Correct, but it's very important how you read that.
They weren't Kings of "England, Scotland & Ireland".
They were Kings of England, Kings of Scotland and Kings of Ireland. Three entirely different, independent countries.
They happened to be the 1st and 2nd of all three countries with that name.
We've never had a King Charles of the UK. So by logic, this one should be Charles I.
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
Presumably just England I think Billy in those times before the union came about .
So technically it should be King Charles 1
They were Kings of England, Scotland and Ireland weren't they?
Aye but we had a shared monarchy with Scotland from 1603 , just looked it up .
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Just my opinion mind but if we are to continue with Royalty it wouldn't be the worst shout to have skipped Charles and gone with William and Kate .
Younger and a bit more relevant to modernise this thing .
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Charles 1 and Charles 11 were Kings of England (as well as Scotland and Ireland), so I imagine the new King is called Charles 111 because he is the third King of England (and the rest of the UK) called Charles.
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But he's not King of England.
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Well, who is the King of England then?
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There isn't one.
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Putin has had his say
“ Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent his condolences to King Charles after the "irreparable loss" of Queen Elizabeth II.
In a message to the King, Mr Putin said the Queen "rightfully enjoyed the love and respect of her subjects, as well as authority on the world stage".
He added: "I wish you courage and resilience in the face of this difficult, irreparable loss.
"May I ask you to pass on sincere condolences and support to members of the Royal Family and the entire people of Great Britain."
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There isn't one.
Righto, bye!
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I find this astonishing.
The PM when the Queen ascended the throne was born in 1874.
The PM when she died was born in 1975.
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Putin has had his say
“ Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent his condolences to King Charles after the "irreparable loss" of Queen Elizabeth II.
In a message to the King, Mr Putin said the Queen "rightfully enjoyed the love and respect of her subjects, as well as authority on the world stage".
He added: "I wish you courage and resilience in the face of this difficult, irreparable loss.
"May I ask you to pass on sincere condolences and support to members of the Royal Family and the entire people of Great Britain."
Nice of him
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An old lady who lived in a nice, warm palace for 70 years. Wonder how many of the Great British public will be showing as much outpouring of grief when thousands of similarly elderly folk perish in their own homes this winter?
That said, of all the monarchy - the Queen is the only person i have a modicum of respect for. The rest should have died first in all fairness.
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I wonder if the new king will throw his peado brother under the bus?
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I wonder if the new king will throw his peado brother under the bus?
Or order his public execution ala the olden days.
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There isn't one.
There is Billy as soon as the King or Queen passes the title immediately passed to the next in line irrelevant of waiting for the Coronation Hence the Royal Standard is never flown at half mast "The Queen is dead Long live the King "
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She wasn't born to be Queen but she devoted her entire adult life to this public service and barely put a foot wrong.
Whatever you think of monarchy, this has been an extraordinary thing.
It will be interesting to see how the monarchy adapts, if it can.
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She wasn't born to be Queen but she devoted her entire adult life to this public service and barely put a foot wrong.
Whatever you think of monarchy, this has been an extraordinary thing.
It will be interesting to see how the monarchy adapts, if it can.
Can't argue with that. As i said, despite my hatred of the monarchy - i can't argue with the sense of duty and decorum that the Queen has shown throughout all these years and she is the only one of them who deserves some respect and gratitude. Although her death means nothing to me at all in emotional terms, i for once can appreciate how others will be affected by her passing, if you put aside those who want to tell you about their fake grief just to share on social media.
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There isn't one.
There is Billy as soon as the King or Queen passes the title immediately passed to the next in line irrelevant of waiting for the Coronation Hence the Royal Standard is never flown at half mast "The Queen is dead Long live the King "
No. There isn't.
There hasn't been a King of England since the 1600s.
Correction. Since 1702.
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I wonder if the new king will throw his peado brother under the bus?
Don't know but I hope someone throws you under one soon!
Won't be you though will it.
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I wonder if the new king will throw his peado brother under the bus?
Don't know but I hope someone throws you under one soon!
Won't be you though will it.
Best watch your back!
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Please read my above post with my positive (by my standards) comments about the Queen. Then go away. You clearly have a problem with misunderstanding posts.
No you clearly have a problem with modern life.
The sooner you are banned from this forum the better.
Err well yeah. I'm autistic. What else would you expect?
As said on another thread, that doesn’t excuse your ignorance!
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There isn't one.
There is Billy as soon as the King or Queen passes the title immediately passed to the next in line irrelevant of waiting for the Coronation Hence the Royal Standard is never flown at half mast "The Queen is dead Long live the King "
No. There isn't.
There hasn't been a King of England since the 1600s.
Correction. Since 1702.
You really shouldn’t be using this sad day to force your superior intellect on those who just want to remember, reflect and look to the future.
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
Watch QI, it explained what will happen. And why the next King James will be James VIII.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KNkx6S-pKc
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Please read my above post with my positive (by my standards) comments about the Queen. Then go away. You clearly have a problem with misunderstanding posts.
No you clearly have a problem with modern life.
The sooner you are banned from this forum the better.
Err well yeah. I'm autistic. What else would you expect?
As said on another thread, that doesn’t excuse your ignorance!
It's not ignorance. It is a difference in thinking from the mainstream / norm. Doesn't make it wrong. It isn't my fault if i speak my mind and others find it offensive. I've had enough of treading on eggshells in life to appease others. If you don't like my views then tough. I'm not ashamed of the way i think.
It’s good that you are not ashamed of how you think, and don’t want to appease those you offend. With that in mind, perhaps you could stop reminding anyone who challenges you that you are autistic.
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
Watch QI, it explained what will happen. And why the next King James will be James VIII.
Is that right? They decided to go with the highest value? That's crackers.
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I wonder if the new king will throw his peado brother under the bus?
Don't know but I hope someone throws you under one soon!
Won't be you though will it.
Best watch your back!
Haha ok big cheese
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
Watch QI, it explained what will happen. And why the next King James will be James VIII.
Is that right? They decided to go with the highest value? That's crackers.
It solved the problem, that's all it needed to do.
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I wonder if the new king will throw his peado brother under the bus?
Don't know but I hope someone throws you under one soon!
Won't be you though will it.
Best watch your back!
Haha ok big cheese
Put away the testosterone both of you, eh?
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Yeah but which country were I and II the kings of?
Watch QI, it explained what will happen. And why the next King James will be James VIII.
Is that right? They decided to go with the highest value? That's crackers.
It solved the problem, that's all it needed to do.
What's the betting we never test the concept?
No King Malcolm.
No King Eochaid mac Fiachnai.
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Is there still a way to block the comments certain people put on this forum. Would make my life a lot happier.
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Is there still a way to block the comments certain people put on this forum. Would make my life a lot happier.
You need to be on the desktop version. View the poster's profile. The Ignore option is on the left hand side. I strongly recommend it.
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Is there still a way to block the comments certain people put on this forum. Would make my life a lot happier.
You need to be on the desktop version. View the poster's profile. The Ignore option is on the left hand side. I strongly recommend it.
You're still replying to my nonsense Billy so you can't have done that with me. ;) Respect sir.
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Is there still a way to block the comments certain people put on this forum. Would make my life a lot happier.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;area=lists;sa=ignore; (https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;area=lists;sa=ignore;)
Then search for the username
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I used to love reading Off Topic, there was some good subjects. But now everything that is wrote no matter what subject it is turned quickly off the the original intent and in to a toxic back biting fight amongst the contributors!!
Regardless if your Royalist or not, can you not simply put this to one side and show some respect for a Woman that has done a remarkable job not only for the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth, but across the entire world.
Even out here in the Middle East the impact is felt. The whole GCC will spend the next 3 days in mourning of her passing.
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Still have my Silver Jubilee coin that we were all given at school in 1977. 45 years ago.
Somebody on MSNBC over here commented earlier that the passing of the Queen is like the real end of the 20th Century, and I think that captures it well. The end of a reign of a strong woman, a steady hand at the tiller, of dignity, tempered with humour and humility.
I don’t believe that anyone has a divine right to rule, or be seen as better than anyone else on account of their birth or how their ancestors may have ascended to power. However, I feel a sense of great loss and sadness. It’s quite surreal. I liked Elizabeth a lot. There was something about her generation, and I think about my grandparents here too, that it feels like we’ve lost something much, much greater than simply a Queen.
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I’m about as anti royal a person you will find, however I think yesterday was a day for having some respect, even if the maximum respect you can show is politely declining to comment on the matter, we are all capable of that. However today is a new day and I think out of this passing there needs to be a very serious discussion about a potential ‘royal referendum’ and let the people of Britain decide whether we continue to worship the idea of a monarchy. For my money it isn’t fair that one child grows up on a golden seat with every opportunity financially available, will grow up travelling the world and will never really have to break a sweat before literally taking the throne he was born to take, whilst another child can’t eat at school because his mum can’t afford it purely because one was born in Windsor and the other was born in Wickersley.
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In fairness MD, no matter how hard he works one of the heirs can't sweat.....
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Mustapha.
Many people are anti royal I for one am not. I think they promote the country and it isn’t a job I’d want although it obviously has a lot of entitlements
I read your view and working on your theory of inherited entitlement are you saying that the all children of multi millionaires / billionaires shouldn’t inherit. For example The children of Richard Branson or Lord Sugar and others. Or is your view purely aimed at the Royals.
Why differentiate. All their children inherit fortunes whilst the average people don’t have this luck
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Mustapha.
Many people are anti royal I for one am not. I think they promote the country and it isn’t a job I’d want although it obviously has a lot of entitlements
I read your view and working on your theory of inherited entitlement are you saying that the all children of multi millionaires / billionaires shouldn’t inherit. For example The children of Richard Branson or Lord Sugar and others. Or is your view purely aimed at the Royals.
Why differentiate. All their children inherit fortunes whilst the average people don’t have this luck
Difference is Sugar started with nowt selling second hand radios on Hackney Market and his family benefited from that through sheer hard graft , determination and I dare say luck .
A royal bloodline isn't quite the same thing in my opinion .
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I share the view of MD ... and it is time (well will be when respectful) for us as a Nation to have "the conversation"
POL is right in what he says . Accumulated wealth is obviously allowed to be passed to the next generation in the same way as my assets "one house" and a bit of cash will pass to someone eventually
Tyke is right too and it's the thing that I most object to the Royal Family for ( as an institution ) A Royal Bloodline isnt the same thing .
RIP Elizabeth the Second and long live King Charles
Referendum would probably be 50 50 anyway
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At a time like this, while so much nostalgia is being evoked, not just for The Queen but as people think of past relatives who respected or followed news of the The Queen. I think if there were any referendum on Monarchy, now, it would be a landslide in support.
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The monarchy is good for tourism, so good for the economy. Voting for the end of that would likely be similar but a lesser scale to voting Brexit.
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I think these days head of state is more suited to a female, I think back to my Mum and Nan always talking about what the Queen was wearing.
It's about soft power, representing the nicer side of the nation without grubby politics in the way. Having a King will be odd, though I think this one being so aged is only going to be a caretaker. A memory of his mother.
I suspect Camilla will come much more to the fore, though the press will continue to zero in on Kate no doubt.
I also suspect the real question marks over the Monarchy will appear when Charles goes and the baton is meant to pass to the much more informal, celebrity royals.
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Phil, I take your view and respect your beliefs, you’re as entitled to them as I am to mine. I don’t think inherited entitled so to say and plain inheritance are the same, as Wolfie alludes to.
If somebody works hard all their life or even if they don’t for that matter if they are skilled enough to build an estate worth leaving then they have a right to leave that estate wherever they see fit. This isn’t like that, and the reason for my dislike is that the family are the physical embodiment of class divide, a visual representation of some people have wealth and some people don’t, but to a completely unnecessary degree. I also shadow what River Don has said that if there was a vote right here right now it would indeed be a landslide and again despite my own personal views it wouldn’t be respectful to the family to have it now, I think the conversation would need to be more along the line of ‘at the end of x persons reign, should we look to wind down the monarchy’.
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The real problem the monarchy has, is the reason I have never been much interested in it.
We are supposed to believe the Monarch is ordained by God. God has chosen this person to look after this country. But in a nation where people increasingly don't believe in God then how can they claim to have a God given right to rule?
I'm sure Elizabeth firmly believed it but Charles? Not so sure but the young royals, I doubt even they believe they have a God given right to rule.
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I just heard a really funny line attributed to the Queen.
When she ascended to the throne she was asked if she would be moving into Buckingham Palace and she replied that she would because the Monarch has to live above the shop.
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Why are there no reflections in the fireplace mirror, and why are there no shadows cast from the lights at either side?
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There are some reflections in the mirror.
The window on the other side of the room and the ceiling light for example.
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There are some reflections in the mirror.
The window on the other side of the room and the ceiling light for example.
I’m sure you know what I mean
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The real problem the monarchy has, is the reason I have never been much interested in it.
We are supposed to believe the Monarch is ordained by God. God has chosen this person to look after this country. But in a nation where people increasingly don't believe in God then how can they claim to have a God given right to rule?
I'm sure Elizabeth firmly believed it but Charles? Not so sure but the young royals, I doubt even they believe they have a God given right to rule.
I am sure you are right and I suspect the Queen and Charlie Boy knew it too.
They knew the people were questioning that right and opted for the slimmed down Royalty were are beginning to see
That means less formal Titles , less people hanging on to the coat tails of the business leaders. I'm not sure they have pulled it off and may continue to reform
At least that's a realistic start for now but the discussion is for another day long in the future
I respect the Queen and sad she has died and my sympathies are always with the people left behind
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Ultimately the monarchy gives the country more than it takes in my view. Most of that is symbolic but culturally a lot of the ceremony and rules that go with that give us the strength of democracy that we have today.
I would like to see a bit more of the royal wealth redistributed to charities but they already do a huge amount for charity and that's something we shouldn't forget.
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Plus thousands of people come to the UK to visit the royal homes etc and spend plenty of money here.
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On tourism/royalty: https://www.republic.org.uk/tourism
"We all welcome our overseas visitors with open arms, but what they enjoy doing on holiday should never be the basis of our democracy."
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Trevor Sinclair sacked now apparently by TalkSport. Good riddance you racist bigot!
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Actually panda, it's quite confusing for young children. Many of us will be parents but explaining it to my young kids yesterday was actually quite tough and it's good that the school are going to talk about it, it's real life education for them.
My 4 year old doesn't know much about death and what it means but I'm sure along with the vicar (she's at a church school) they'll explain it in ways that see fit.
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That’s good news about Sinclair What a total wxxker. I hope people give him the same long lasting career changing grief other people get for similar things
To say what he’s said he’s a tool
I hope he never works again. What a disrespectful cxxt
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That's not very respectful language to use today of all days phil, read up about 'Queens Consent'
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Actually panda, it's quite confusing for young children. Many of us will be parents but explaining it to my young kids yesterday was actually quite tough and it's good that the school are going to talk about it, it's real life education for them.
My 4 year old doesn't know much about death and what it means but I'm sure along with the vicar (she's at a church school) they'll explain it in ways that see fit.
I read something once about explaining death to really young kids and it said that you shoudln't say things like someone had 'gone away for a while' because it made them think they would be coming back at some point. I read that it is actually best to be honest with them about death although age appropriate obviously.
My kid is in secondary school so from age 11 upwards. I don't think they need talks about death or talks about how to process difficult emotions about the Queen tbh. For younger kids then yes, maybe you have a point about the best way to approach it being difficult i guess but i was more referring to older kids / teens.
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Why are there no reflections in the fireplace mirror, and why are there no shadows cast from the lights at either side?
Looking at her hands to me she has been on a cannula, I wonder if her sense of duty made her get out of her sick bed to perform the acceptance of a new PM?
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First positive thing I've ever had to say about Boris Johnson, but that was a wonderful tribute he gave in the commons.
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First positive thing I've ever had to say about Boris Johnson, but that was a wonderful tribute he gave in the commons.
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
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First positive thing I've ever had to say about Boris Johnson, but that was a wonderful tribute he gave in the commons.
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
Agreed, made an awful fist of the top job and should of really stuck with what he knows best, always had a way with words, and has managed in a small way to change the illusion he created of himself in some peoples minds.
Its a shame one or two on here cannot temper their line of thought on an occasion like this. Its probably a given that a sizable percentage on here are not over enamoured with Royalty but have managed to either stay quite or be respectful in the memory of a woman who happened to find herself thrust into a position that she was never expecting or wanting. That she devoted herself to it for the rest of her life and carried the duty out in a very respectful manner deserves some measure of acknowledgement from even the most ardent republican.
To say anything contrary just reflects badly on folk who should know better and would have probably been bought up to be respectful to others.
Makes us all look like very poor and boorish people.
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First positive thing I've ever had to say about Boris Johnson, but that was a wonderful tribute he gave in the commons.
I bet he'd had that prepared for sometime, just incase. Clearly channeling his inner Churchill.
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First positive thing I've ever had to say about Boris Johnson, but that was a wonderful tribute he gave in the commons.
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
Agreed, made an awful fist of the top job and should of really stuck with what he knows best, always had a way with words, and has managed in a small way to change the illusion he created of himself in some peoples minds.
Its a shame one or two on here cannot temper their line of thought on an occasion like this. Its probably a given that a sizable percentage on here are not over enamoured with Royalty but have managed to either stay quite or be respectful in the memory of a woman who happened to find herself thrust into a position that she was never expecting or wanting. That she devoted herself to it for the rest of her life and carried the duty out in a very respectful manner deserves some measure of acknowledgement from even the most ardent republican.
To say anything contrary just reflects badly on folk who should know better and would have probably been bought up to be respectful to others.
Makes us all look like very poor and boorish people.
This is such a judgmental and completely inaccurate thing to say! So just because people with opposite views don't stay silent (which is what the cancel warriors want) then we've all been brought up like pack animals by wayne and waynetta slob? Embarrassingly patronising and not to mention completely wrong.
It’s basic decency and respect, being autistic is no excuse for being a t**t
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I'm all for respect but isn't this getting a bit out of hand?
https://mobile.twitter.com/metoffice/status/1568167498410778631
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I'm all for respect but isn't this getting a bit out of hand?
https://mobile.twitter.com/metoffice/status/1568167498410778631
Absolutely
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And this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1568199637311406081
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I'm all for respect but isn't this getting a bit out of hand?
https://mobile.twitter.com/metoffice/status/1568167498410778631
Yes. It's clearly ridiculous to anyone with any modicum of intelligence. But that means that i am automatically disrespectful for holding that view apparently. :whistle:
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I see the f**king yanks are windmilling inappropriately at each other over the Queen's passing....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeff-bezos-under-fire-after-tweet-about-queen-s-b2163071.html
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I see the f**king yanks are windmilling inappropriately at each other over the Queen's passing....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeff-bezos-under-fire-after-tweet-about-queen-s-b2163071.html
Our colonials are a strange bunch
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I'm all for respect but isn't this getting a bit out of hand?
https://mobile.twitter.com/metoffice/status/1568167498410778631
Yes. It's clearly ridiculous to anyone with any modicum of intelligence. But that means that i am automatically disrespectful for holding that view apparently. :whistle:
There are ways of expressing it.
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I do respect the Queen a bit anyway. I said that earlier in the thread. Just not enough to want to stop my life for her or to elicit any emotional response really.
I respect her for her duty and the way she held herself throughout the turmoil of life. That has to be recognised. But everyone has turmoil in life and most have no fallback.
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First positive thing I've ever had to say about Boris Johnson, but that was a wonderful tribute he gave in the commons.
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
Agreed, made an awful fist of the top job and should of really stuck with what he knows best, always had a way with words, and has managed in a small way to change the illusion he created of himself in some peoples minds.
Its a shame one or two on here cannot temper their line of thought on an occasion like this. Its probably a given that a sizable percentage on here are not over enamoured with Royalty but have managed to either stay quite or be respectful in the memory of a woman who happened to find herself thrust into a position that she was never expecting or wanting. That she devoted herself to it for the rest of her life and carried the duty out in a very respectful manner deserves some measure of acknowledgement from even the most ardent republican.
To say anything contrary just reflects badly on folk who should know better and would have probably been bought up to be respectful to others.
Makes us all look like very poor and boorish people.
This is such a judgmental and completely inaccurate thing to say! So just because people with opposite views don't stay silent (which is what the cancel warriors want) then we've all been brought up like pack animals by wayne and waynetta slob? Embarrassingly patronising and not to mention completely wrong.
It’s basic decency and respect, being autistic is no excuse for being a t**t
What if you don't respect the Queen? What if you don't respect the BLM movement? What then? Automatic being a t**t? I respect lots of other people and lots of other just causes, just not the Queen or BLM. Quite bizarre rigid thinking there. Such a lack of nuance displayed.
Then respect common decency
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Then maybe picking fights in here is not a sensible lifestyle choice?
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This thread is going downhill at a rate of knots.
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First positive thing I've ever had to say about Boris Johnson, but that was a wonderful tribute he gave in the commons.
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
Agreed, made an awful fist of the top job and should of really stuck with what he knows best, always had a way with words, and has managed in a small way to change the illusion he created of himself in some peoples minds.
Its a shame one or two on here cannot temper their line of thought on an occasion like this. Its probably a given that a sizable percentage on here are not over enamoured with Royalty but have managed to either stay quite or be respectful in the memory of a woman who happened to find herself thrust into a position that she was never expecting or wanting. That she devoted herself to it for the rest of her life and carried the duty out in a very respectful manner deserves some measure of acknowledgement from even the most ardent republican.
To say anything contrary just reflects badly on folk who should know better and would have probably been bought up to be respectful to others.
Makes us all look like very poor and boorish people.
This is such a judgmental and completely inaccurate thing to say! So just because people with opposite views don't stay silent (which is what the cancel warriors want) then we've all been brought up like pack animals by wayne and waynetta slob? Embarrassingly patronising and not to mention completely wrong.
It’s basic decency and respect, being autistic is no excuse for being a t**t
What if you don't respect the Queen? What if you don't respect the BLM movement? What then? Automatic being a t**t? I respect lots of other people and lots of other just causes, just not the Queen or BLM. Quite bizarre rigid thinking there. Such a lack of nuance displayed.
Where was the nuance in all the vitriol you posted about the NHS? You, tarring everyone in that organisation with the same brush.
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This thread is going downhill at a rate of knots.
It’s awful, Hound, but we shouldn’t be surprised. From nasty comments about the monarchy, to searching the internet looking for negativity regarding respect and mourning.
Some people just can’t help themselves, whatever the circumstances.
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30 odd years ago I was waiting to cross a busy main road around Southwark way. The traffic was moving albeit very slowly. A green Jaguar car crawled past as I was trying to squeeze in between the cars. I looked into the car and noticed it was the Queen driving it!! I shit you not! The Queen was driving in crawling traffic as I was waiting to step out onto the road!! Absolutely unbelievable! There were 2 blokes in the car with her who I’d assume we’re bodyguards but it was definitely her! It still seems surreal even all these years later!
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I've actually read this thread back a few times now and i hold my hands up. I've been an arsehole.
It isn't about me. It is about the Queen and how best people wish to respect her life and her memory and pretty much nothing i've said on here contributes to that so yep, not good from my side it has to be said.
I do have some respect for the Queen and as a human being. After all, who wouldn't and whilst i'm not a monarchist and believe that the priveleges the Royals enjoy is wrong, many people have their own particular reasons for wanting to pay tributes and respects and who am i to judge them and make unnecessary comments?
Oddly enough, i've hit somewhat of a lightbulb moment where, totally unrelated to the Queen, i have seen the division that is occuring amongst society at the moment where two polar opposites are at it like cats and dogs. Mostly played out in the media and social media and whichever side you lean towards it is worth seeing the reality that each side has their own agenda to push which is creating societal polarity and division.
I guess BST in another post to me about GB News etc said something along those lines and whilst i do have a lot of the opinions that they hold on GB news, i have 100% become more angry and intolerant of pretty much everyone since Covid and since watching GB news and listening to Talk Radio.
I'm not going to suddenly start reading Gary Lineker's tweets every day or tune in to BBC religiously but i can actually see where this division is skewing my thinking, making me defensive and having a detrimental impact on my health.
I know Arthur Schopenhaur was a famous misanthropist philosopher and he's one of the few people i relate to but even he said that despite of all the horrors of humanity, the only answer and the only way out of that is compassion.
Compassion for others regardless of their views or actions is the only solution. I've just got to find it first. It must be around here somewhere as i had it before the Covid pandemic and since that it has been lost.
It seems like society changes so quick and it is difficult to adapt to that and especially with thinking and i guess it feels safer to stick with what you know. Or what you think you know and when things change around you and you stand still, you get left behind and stuck with older ways of thinking and outdated views. As a poster said yesterday who was particularly critical of my archaic views.
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Before Covid i used to give money to homeless people. If i was out shopping and there was one outside the supermarket then i'd give them a fiver, sometimes a tenner.
I was told once that compassion is not what that homeless person does with the money i give them but the act of giving in the first place and having hope that that homeless person is genuinely homeless and not going out to get a load of drugs but will get some food and drink.
I have no way of knowing either way but that is out of my hands once i have given the money. The act of kindness and compassion is giving in the first place.
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good post mate
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That’s good news about Sinclair What a total wxxker. I hope people give him the same long lasting career changing grief other people get for similar things
To say what he’s said he’s a tool
I hope he never works again. What a disrespectful cxxt
Well said, I’m totally agreement.
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30 odd years ago I was waiting to cross a busy main road around Southwark way. The traffic was moving albeit very slowly. A green Jaguar car crawled past as I was trying to squeeze in between the cars. I looked into the car and noticed it was the Queen driving it!! I shit you not! The Queen was driving in crawling traffic as I was waiting to step out onto the road!! Absolutely unbelievable! There were 2 blokes in the car with her who I’d assume we’re bodyguards but it was definitely her! It still seems surreal even all these years later!
That's unbelievable, mate; that she didn't wave and shout "Hey up, Herbert".
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The St Leger is on Sunday now but kids football isn't.
Somebody please explain.
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It is up to each sports’ authority to decide whether to postpone events, there is no government directive..
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
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The situation we have today is that there won’t be many left when the last Monarch died, media availability for most was the wireless or the newspaper, expsure to news today is saturation compared to then
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The situation we have today is that there won’t be many left when the last Monarch died, media availability for most was the wireless or the newspaper, expsure to news today is saturation compared to then
Saturation is the word. It's wall to wall Queen again on the main terrestrial channels. I'm fed up with it now, so I've put Netflix on. The Crown.
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
It's called Top Down mourning Billy works similar to poppy shaming in my opinion .
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.
Again, shame on you.
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.
Again, shame on you.
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Our greatest ever monarch. RIP.
Is the funeral expected to be on Monday 19th? I’m sure 2 consecutive weekends without football isn’t what she’d have wanted.
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Our greatest ever monarch. RIP.
Is the funeral expected to be on Monday 19th? I’m sure 2 consecutive weekends without football isn’t what she’d have wanted.
Ooof, big call. I think I'd go for ER I. And who could forget Canute, when Yorkshire was at the heart of the Viking empire? Or Constantine the great, crowned in York, the man who made Europe Christian.
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There are more of us than you think Filo, this is nothing, I can remember the durge music that seemed to go on for ever on the BBC radio when the news of the king dying was broadcast.
The coronation of the queen however seemed amazing at the time, and seemed to herald a new dawn for the first time since the war I suppose, we even won the Ashes, the Mathews final, and climbing Everest on que.
And all the time we were headed by the gorgeous young queen, even coming to the races in the town where we clamoured to get a glimpse as the biggest cars in the world went by and a day off school to stand there and cheer, as a youngster it was great, and was the start of a great reign by that young queen, she will be missed by many and a hard act to follow, I am not really a royalist, but I can't think of anything better to replace what we have had, hopefully Charles the third steps up to the plate and makes his mark in history, he has a lot to do to bring the country together like it was my youth.
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.
Again, shame on you.
The other side to this is that the country has been put in to mourning for the next 10 days for a 96 year old woman who hardly anyone of us has met , spoken to or even watched getting interviewed .
Nobody really knows that much about her .
She's shook thousands of hands and had a million small talk conversations I'll give you that but nobody knows her other than her family and even then it's debatable .
The powers that be have told you she's a nice lady , she might be but neither you or I know that for sure .
This thing is planted in your head when you are at school , the bloody national anthem celebrates royalty not the country .
It's a masterclass in psychology and propaganda .
That said it's not actually her fault , she was born in to it and to be fair did a remarkable job of what ever the point of it all is which I have an opinion on too but not now .
It's not a job I'd have wanted so fair play to her .
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Tyke, why wasn't it planted in your head then?
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I think the relationship between Parliament and Monarchy is important in stopping tyrannical leaders taking hold.
The Queen met with the PM every week and she understood the responsibility that comes with power as she is part of an age-old institution.
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I think the relationship between Parliament and Monarchy is important in stopping tyrannical leaders taking hold.
There is a lot to be said for this. It is difficult for political leaders to become too full of their own brilliance whilst ever they are subservient to the monarch.
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For the first, and I suspect last, time in my life I'm genuinely upset (not just saddened) by the death of someone I never met.
I'm surprised at my reaction to be honest and have been trying to rationalise it to myself.
The Queen was not just an exemplary constitutional monarch but more importantly she reinvented the monarchy for the modern age.
Her Grandfather and Great-Grandfather were active in UK political life in a way which would be totally unacceptable in a modern, mature democracy.
The Queen not only deliberately kept herself above politics but her discretion and supreme diplomacy meant in 70+ years of being Head of State and continuously meeting people she never betrayed her personal political beliefs.
On the very odd occasion she did intervene (e.g. Scottish referendum) it was well judged and suitably subtle.
By reinventing the monarchy as wholly apolitical she has enhanced our democracy and ensured the chief politician is just an MP - not a President who would be much more difficult to remove from office on misbehaving or getting completely out of step with the electorate - see our last 2 PMs.
An apolitical constitutional monarch can IMO opinion therefore be a blessing to democracy. The Queen certainly was thanks to all her much discussed virtues but she's the gold standard. That's why she's such a loss and also such a difficult act to follow.
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The nearest I got to the Queen was in 1977, I was 14 years old and on my bike with my mates at the bus stop near the Bay Horse, her motorcade came by on her way to review the RAF at RAF Finningley as part of her Silver Jubilee celebrations
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Tyke, why wasn't it planted in your head then?
It was as a younger boy and man BB , 1977 jubilee and street party's , 81 Charlie and Di's wedding .
As I grew older the point of it came to me through life experience .
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For the first, and I suspect last, time in my life I'm genuinely upset (not just saddened) by the death of someone I never met.
I'm surprised at my reaction to be honest and have been trying to rationalise it to myself.
The Queen was not just an exemplary constitutional monarch but more importantly she reinvented the monarchy for the modern age.
Her Grandfather and Great-Grandfather were active in UK political life in a way which would be totally unacceptable in a modern, mature democracy.
The Queen not only deliberately kept herself above politics but her discretion and supreme diplomacy meant in 70+ years of being Head of State and continuously meeting people she never betrayed her personal political beliefs.
On the very odd occasion she did intervene (e.g. Scottish referendum) it was well judged and suitably subtle.
By reinventing the monarchy as wholly apolitical she has enhanced our democracy and ensured the chief politician is just an MP - not a President who would be much more difficult to remove from office on misbehaving or getting completely out of step with the electorate - see our last 2 PMs.
An apolitical constitutional monarch can IMO opinion therefore be a blessing to democracy. The Queen certainly was thanks to all her much discussed virtues but she's the gold standard. That's why she's such a loss and also such a difficult act to follow.
Brilliantly put. She also oversaw decolonisation.
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.
Again, shame on you.
The other side to this is that the country has been put in to mourning for the next 10 days for a 96 year old woman who hardly anyone of us has met , spoken to or even watched getting interviewed .
Nobody really knows that much about her .
She's shook thousands of hands and had a million small talk conversations I'll give you that but nobody knows her other than her family and even then it's debatable .
The powers that be have told you she's a nice lady , she might be but neither you or I know that for sure .
This thing is planted in your head when you are at school , the bloody national anthem celebrates royalty not the country .
It's a masterclass in psychology and propaganda .
That said it's not actually her fault , she was born in to it and to be fair did a remarkable job of what ever the point of it all is which I have an opinion on too but not now .
It's not a job I'd have wanted so fair play to her .
I think Belton is in another one of his flaps where he chooses to read the most unpleasant thing he can into whatever I post. It would give a psychiatrist a lot of work.
For the record, while not a royalist, I had respect for the Queen. She knew what the role of the Royal Family was in the modern world and she played it to perfection.
I suspect she'd have been bemused at the Met Office cancelling weather forecasts for fear of giving offence. And one of my staff mailing me last night asking whether we should cancel work today "out of respect". Because she knew what the Monarchy was, and that it wasn't something to be worshipped.
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This by the way.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1568294704327819271
If the Queen meant anything, she was a unifying force. She emphasised the things that unite us.
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Tyke, why wasn't it planted in your head then?
It was as a younger boy and man BB , 1977 jubilee and street party's , 81 Charlie and Di's wedding .
As I grew older the point of it came to me through life experience .
Are you sure you're not confused with being installed with psychology and propaganda when in reality you were being taught basic respect?
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Did she ever do a gloveless handshake with the peasants of her Realm?
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I've actually read this thread back a few times now and i hold my hands up. I've been an arsehole.
It isn't about me. It is about the Queen and how best people wish to respect her life and her memory and pretty much nothing i've said on here contributes to that so yep, not good from my side it has to be said.
I do have some respect for the Queen and as a human being. After all, who wouldn't and whilst i'm not a monarchist and believe that the priveleges the Royals enjoy is wrong, many people have their own particular reasons for wanting to pay tributes and respects and who am i to judge them and make unnecessary comments?
Oddly enough, i've hit somewhat of a lightbulb moment where, totally unrelated to the Queen, i have seen the division that is occuring amongst society at the moment where two polar opposites are at it like cats and dogs. Mostly played out in the media and social media and whichever side you lean towards it is worth seeing the reality that each side has their own agenda to push which is creating societal polarity and division.
I guess BST in another post to me about GB News etc said something along those lines and whilst i do have a lot of the opinions that they hold on GB news, i have 100% become more angry and intolerant of pretty much everyone since Covid and since watching GB news and listening to Talk Radio.
I'm not going to suddenly start reading Gary Lineker's tweets every day or tune in to BBC religiously but i can actually see where this division is skewing my thinking, making me defensive and having a detrimental impact on my health.
I know Arthur Schopenhaur was a famous misanthropist philosopher and he's one of the few people i relate to but even he said that despite of all the horrors of humanity, the only answer and the only way out of that is compassion.
Compassion for others regardless of their views or actions is the only solution. I've just got to find it first. It must be around here somewhere as i had it before the Covid pandemic and since that it has been lost.
It seems like society changes so quick and it is difficult to adapt to that and especially with thinking and i guess it feels safer to stick with what you know. Or what you think you know and when things change around you and you stand still, you get left behind and stuck with older ways of thinking and outdated views. As a poster said yesterday who was particularly critical of my archaic views.
With all due respect to the mental issues you are currently struggling with as you have well documented on this forum, I feel you ought to take a step back now (especially as you have alluded to doing exactly that only this week) as I feel you’re in danger of becoming a parody of yourself with long, very long posts that you then quickly apologise for posting?!
Time perhaps to take a step back & go & get some fresh air?
I say this (believe it or not) with the best of intentions.
We can all sometimes get ‘caught up in’ fruitless opinions which when we receive no positive (or indeed any comment to at all) continue to ‘drill down’ like a ‘mad dentist’ until we’ve hit so many nerves we end up ‘hitting’ our own.
Now there’s an analogy for you to chew over (no pun intended!) just trying to gently ease your grip off something that’s really not that important enough to drive you to distraction?
Rovers have a ‘breather’ now until Tuesday (hopefully).
Why not take one too & go get some September sun in your face?
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Did she ever do a gloveless handshake with the peasants of her Realm?
She visited an Aberdeen Hospice 2 months ago & with a bare, frail hand shook one of the patients hands who laid a bandaged hand on top of the Queens. She waited until the patient ‘decided’ to let go.
The lady patient wasn’t a peasant in as much as I would define such a person in fact I would never call anyone a peasant……I tend to call them ‘Nudgas’.
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Tyke, why wasn't it planted in your head then?
It was as a younger boy and man BB , 1977 jubilee and street party's , 81 Charlie and Di's wedding .
As I grew older the point of it came to me through life experience .
Are you sure you're not confused with being installed with psychology and propaganda when in reality you were being taught basic respect?
Or was I getting programmed not to challenge authority and the social structure of this country ?
My parents taught me basic respect and manners , we always had to give our seats up for older passengers on crowded buses , say thank you and please .
Funny thing happened at school in jubilee year 1977 , our history teacher was fresh out of uni , really good teacher , long hair , flares and with a love of Led Zepp , proper relatable .
He wore a Down With The Jubilee badge and they sacked him for it .
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
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What a fun thread :lol:
I'm not saying nuffin but love that she inspired one of the greatest rock n roll songs of all Time. Thank you ma'am! :thumbsup:
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What a fun thread :lol:
I'm not saying nuffin but love that she inspired one of the greatest rock n roll songs of all Time. Thank you ma'am! :thumbsup:
Ain't that the truth .
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
All Latin/romance variations but it's coming from Normandy. Dad is your more guttural Germanic language.
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
Citroen advert.
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Cow Germanic, beef French
Pig Germanic, pork French
Germanic mucky live animals, French cooked cuisine.
Bloody Normans.
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
All Latin/romance variations but it's coming from Normandy. Dad is your more guttural Germanic language.
It's quite weird when you think this royal families heritage is German. It must be something to do with the public schools.
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yet Papa Noel is French
do you want him to say this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGe52f285uI
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
All Latin/romance variations but it's coming from Normandy. Dad is your more guttural Germanic language.
It's quite weird when you think this royal families heritage is German. It must be something to do with the public schools.
Only German from the mid 1600’s, before that, Stuarts, Tudors and Plantaganets, Robert the Bruce is a direct ancestor
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yet Papa Noel is French
do you want him to say this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGe52f285uI
Vater is closer to the olde English, Faeder.
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apparently some of these kings didn't even speak English
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
All Latin/romance variations but it's coming from Normandy. Dad is your more guttural Germanic language.
It's quite weird when you think this royal families heritage is German. It must be something to do with the public schools.
Only German from the mid 1600’s, before that, Stuarts, Tudors and Plantaganets, Robert the Bruce is a direct ancestor
Yeah, I meant this particular Royal line that's newer and plugged right into Germany. Mountbatten/Battenburg. Windsor/Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
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apparently some of these kings didn't even speak English
Because they were French
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King Stephen wouldn't have recognised that name. He was Etienne.
Richard wasn't Lionheart. He was Couer de Lion.
The French aspect remained as the preserve and heritage of the ruling class.
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I've actually read this thread back a few times now and i hold my hands up. I've been an arsehole.
It isn't about me. It is about the Queen and how best people wish to respect her life and her memory and pretty much nothing i've said on here contributes to that so yep, not good from my side it has to be said.
I do have some respect for the Queen and as a human being. After all, who wouldn't and whilst i'm not a monarchist and believe that the priveleges the Royals enjoy is wrong, many people have their own particular reasons for wanting to pay tributes and respects and who am i to judge them and make unnecessary comments?
Oddly enough, i've hit somewhat of a lightbulb moment where, totally unrelated to the Queen, i have seen the division that is occuring amongst society at the moment where two polar opposites are at it like cats and dogs. Mostly played out in the media and social media and whichever side you lean towards it is worth seeing the reality that each side has their own agenda to push which is creating societal polarity and division.
I guess BST in another post to me about GB News etc said something along those lines and whilst i do have a lot of the opinions that they hold on GB news, i have 100% become more angry and intolerant of pretty much everyone since Covid and since watching GB news and listening to Talk Radio.
I'm not going to suddenly start reading Gary Lineker's tweets every day or tune in to BBC religiously but i can actually see where this division is skewing my thinking, making me defensive and having a detrimental impact on my health.
I know Arthur Schopenhaur was a famous misanthropist philosopher and he's one of the few people i relate to but even he said that despite of all the horrors of humanity, the only answer and the only way out of that is compassion.
Compassion for others regardless of their views or actions is the only solution. I've just got to find it first. It must be around here somewhere as i had it before the Covid pandemic and since that it has been lost.
It seems like society changes so quick and it is difficult to adapt to that and especially with thinking and i guess it feels safer to stick with what you know. Or what you think you know and when things change around you and you stand still, you get left behind and stuck with older ways of thinking and outdated views. As a poster said yesterday who was particularly critical of my archaic views.
Don't beat yourself up too much panda, people are continuing their feuds, there are scooter meetings etc, etc, the war is continuing, you'd think they would call a truce at least, it the football was on there would a minute silence and then everything forgotten.
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Did she ever do a gloveless handshake with the peasants of her Realm?
She visited an Aberdeen Hospice 2 months ago & with a bare, frail hand shook one of the patients hands who laid a bandaged hand on top of the Queens. She waited until the patient ‘decided’ to let go.
The lady patient wasn’t a peasant in as much as I would define such a person in fact I would never call anyone a peasant……I tend to call them ‘Nudgas’.
Ah muchos muchos gracias , Colin.
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For the first, and I suspect last, time in my life I'm genuinely upset (not just saddened) by the death of someone I never met.
I'm surprised at my reaction to be honest and have been trying to rationalise it to myself.
The Queen was not just an exemplary constitutional monarch but more importantly she reinvented the monarchy for the modern age.
Her Grandfather and Great-Grandfather were active in UK political life in a way which would be totally unacceptable in a modern, mature democracy.
The Queen not only deliberately kept herself above politics but her discretion and supreme diplomacy meant in 70+ years of being Head of State and continuously meeting people she never betrayed her personal political beliefs.
On the very odd occasion she did intervene (e.g. Scottish referendum) it was well judged and suitably subtle.
By reinventing the monarchy as wholly apolitical she has enhanced our democracy and ensured the chief politician is just an MP - not a President who would be much more difficult to remove from office on misbehaving or getting completely out of step with the electorate - see our last 2 PMs.
An apolitical constitutional monarch can IMO opinion therefore be a blessing to democracy. The Queen certainly was thanks to all her much discussed virtues but she's the gold standard. That's why she's such a loss and also such a difficult act to follow.
Absolutely brilliantly put Branton!!
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Maybe but a comment on pro-monarchy, do we all get a turn now without being slagged off?
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Maybe but a comment on pro-monarchy, do we all get a turn now without being slagged off?
How about we just mourn a great woman without having to have a debate about one thing or another!
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Maybe but a comment on pro-monarchy, do we all get a turn now without being slagged off?
How about me just mourn a great woman without having to have a debate about one thing or another!
I'm fine with that but if people do not want a debate then comments should remain neutral, no?
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I've got a neutral question
If anyone is watching Sky coverage are you hearing the metallic clanking from Buck House OB site when it's live
If yes what the f*** is it ... It sounds like somebody building scaffolding or fencing or walking on metal walkway ... and why don't they stop it
They never mention it but it was going all day yesterday (or at least when I dipped into it) and it's going now
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There is a list of over a thousand employees somewhere, not all at the palace mind, but I don't remember seeing any royal scaffolders.
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Getting things ready for the TV coverage of the Funeral perhaps?
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yet Papa Noel is French
do you want him to say this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGe52f285uI
Vater is closer to the olde English, Faeder.
Vader! I wonder if Lucas did that on purpose? I hope so, the clue was in the name all the time.
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Getting things ready for the TV coverage of the Funeral perhaps?
Probably but it's bloody annoying
Can't be my telly ... It's not on ITV ... Not sure on BBC as I don't listen to their news !
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It is the same on BBC
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Whilst we are on about the origins of English, here's an interesting thing.
Apparently the reason the Geordie twang is so different to Yorkshire and not obviously related is because the Newcastle area had an invasion of Vikings but they weren't the usual Danes. They were Swedes. Apparently.
You know The Swedish Chef on the Muppet show? You know how he speaks? Sort of nonsense but an up and down accent? Try speaking like the Swedish Chef but replace the nonsense words with words like Kevin Keegan, Newcastle United, Peter Beardsley, Chris Waddle. Ta Da! You sound like Jimmy Nail!
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.
Again, shame on you.
The other side to this is that the country has been put in to mourning for the next 10 days for a 96 year old woman who hardly anyone of us has met , spoken to or even watched getting interviewed .
Nobody really knows that much about her .
She's shook thousands of hands and had a million small talk conversations I'll give you that but nobody knows her other than her family and even then it's debatable .
The powers that be have told you she's a nice lady , she might be but neither you or I know that for sure .
This thing is planted in your head when you are at school , the bloody national anthem celebrates royalty not the country .
It's a masterclass in psychology and propaganda .
That said it's not actually her fault , she was born in to it and to be fair did a remarkable job of what ever the point of it all is which I have an opinion on too but not now .
It's not a job I'd have wanted so fair play to her .
I think Belton is in another one of his flaps where he chooses to read the most unpleasant thing he can into whatever I post. It would give a psychiatrist a lot of work.
For the record, while not a royalist, I had respect for the Queen. She knew what the role of the Royal Family was in the modern world and she played it to perfection.
I suspect she'd have been bemused at the Met Office cancelling weather forecasts for fear of giving offence. And one of my staff mailing me last night asking whether we should cancel work today "out of respect". Because she knew what the Monarchy was, and that it wasn't something to be worshipped.
Billy, don’t ‘block’ me and then continue to question my state of mind.
Either have the balls to converse with me directly, or not at all.
Before any members of his dwindling fan club tell me he won’t read this, he will.
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Brandon well put. I’m sure some saddo on here will invariably try to denounce your well written thread just to cause the usual upset and argument
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Brandon well put. I’m sure some saddo on here will invariably try to denounce your well written thread just to cause the usual upset and argument
Unlike yourself, aye phil?
''On the very odd occasion she did intervene (e.g. Scottish referendum) it was well judged and suitably subtle''
Unlike this comment, a British nationalist praising a comment of the Queen and interpreting it as poke in the eye to Scottish nationalists.
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Maybe but a comment on pro-monarchy, do we all get a turn now without being slagged off?
How about me just mourn a great woman without having to have a debate about one thing or another!
Good point .... and how's this going (asking for a fed up friend)
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=285866.msg1183088#msg1183088 (https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=285866.msg1183088#msg1183088)
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I agree with you wolfie, everyone needs to be on the same page though aye? otherwise old farts start throwing insults around.
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Whilst we are on about the origins of English, here's an interesting thing.
Apparently the reason the Geordie twang is so different to Yorkshire and not obviously related is because the Newcastle area had an invasion of Vikings but they weren't the usual Danes. They were Swedes. Apparently.
You know The Swedish Chef on the Muppet show? You know how he speaks? Sort of nonsense but an up and down accent? Try speaking like the Swedish Chef but replace the nonsense words with words like Kevin Keegan, Newcastle United, Peter Beardsley, Chris Waddle. Ta Da! You sound like Jimmy Nail!
I know a bloke from Norway who went to Newcastle and thought the locals were all taking the piss out of his accent.
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I suppose at times like these the question of the Royals are exposed and come to the surface .
I've read a number of platforms over the last couple of days , this one is one of the kinder ones .
Clearly there is division , there always was , how you go about expressing your anti royal opinion is probably the question , you can be against something and show a reasonable amount of respect for the passing of The Queen I believe .
However it's also exposed some let's say irregularities from let's say also a certain section of society .
I noticed this last Sunday when Joe Lycett ripped the pyss out of Liz Truss , a couple of popular Daily newspapers didn't like it , it was even discussed in some parliamentary standards committee , I think they were offended , which is interesting .
The passing of the Queen and anyone pushing back on the question of the Royals is to condemned to hell and high water despite the powers that be more or less dictating to you that you will mourn for the next few days , you will listen to sombre music on the radio , there is apparently no other news worthy of broadcast ( there clearly is .... To say the least ) and you won't enjoy yourself this weekend watching the national game .
How incredibly woke so to speak :woot:
They really don't like it back do they ? and I'm about as liberal left as Frankie Boyle .
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I would never class myself as a fan of the monarchy, though my ambivalence to them has reduced the older I get. I don’t mind admitting though that I am genuinely sorry about the Queens death. I think it’s because she’s been a constant in the background of our lives that I’ve taken it for granted that she’d always just be around.
I’d have absolutely loved a penny for her thoughts on all of the people that she’s met over the years. Anyone who was anyone during the second half of the 20th century met with her. The Prime Ministers that she met for one thing. I believe that it’s fairly accepted that her and Thatcher didn’t see eye to eye due to her economic policy in the early 80’s but how about the other PM’s? Absolutely extraordinary when you think about it.
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I agree with you wolfie, everyone needs to be on the same page though aye? otherwise old farts start throwing insults around.
Well done, Syd, true to form with the ageist comments.
Maybe one day you'll shock us all and post something with a modicum of intelligence.
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Elizabeth Windsor became Queen in 1952. That's 70 years ago. The Founding Fathers declared UDI in 1776. That's 246 years ago. So our recently deceased Queen was Monarch for over 28% of the life of the USA. That is another staggering statistic about HRH.
BobG
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Just noticed Meghan was schmoozing the crowds with Will, Kate and Harry. How long before the Mail comes up with a "Meghan bit my child's face' story?
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Old sausage fingers is the end of the monarchy surely.
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
Citroen advert.
Renault methinks..
Several versions including one starring Vic and Bob..
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
Citroen advert.
Renault methinks..
Several versions including one starring Vic and Bob..
So to take this conversation full circle, in the car advert, even though it has French people in it, it was Nicole and Papa, not Nicole and Pere.
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I agree with you wolfie, everyone needs to be on the same page though aye? otherwise old farts start throwing insults around.
Well done, Syd, true to form with the ageist comments.
Maybe one day you'll shock us all and post something with a modicum of intelligence.
tried my best with comment 171 Steve but in vain.
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
Citroen advert.
Renault methinks..
Several versions including one starring Vic and Bob..
Aye you're right. Renault Clio?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WgBGDvgYekA
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French car, Italian word, British advert.
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Etymology
From French papa, from Middle French papa, from Old French papa, from Latin papa, probably originally a reduplicated imitation of a child's early efforts at vocalising Latin pater (“father”). Compare Ancient Greek πάππας (páppas, “papa, daddy”).
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
Citroen advert.
Renault methinks..
Several versions including one starring Vic and Bob..
So to take this conversation full circle, in the car advert, even though it has French people in it, it was Nicole and Papa, not Nicole and Pere.
Does it matter? Pere is the formal French word for father but how many words are there in any language which are terms of endearment?
Anyway, what the new King affectionally called his parents, isn't important.
Knowing that the Queen was an old lady with health concerns, her death wasn't really unexpected, but it is really unusual referring to a "King" all of a sudden.
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?
Citroen advert.
Renault methinks..
Several versions including one starring Vic and Bob..
So to take this conversation full circle, in the car advert, even though it has French people in it, it was Nicole and Papa, not Nicole and Pere.
Does it matter? Pere is the formal French word for father but how many words are there in any language which are terms of endearment?
Anyway, what the new King affectionally called his parents, isn't important.
Knowing that the Queen was an old lady with health concerns, her death wasn't really unexpected, but it is really unusual referring to a "King" all of a sudden.
Of course it doesn’t matter IDM.
I was simply adding to the conversation.
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Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".
Deep history.
That's fairly common among the upper class. Like a lot of the ceremonies we are going to see over the next few days it has its origin in the Norman invasion.
Some things change but some stay the same. But this is what it is like to be living thro historic ones.
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This was simply brilliant as part of the opening ceremony to the 2012 London Olympics .
https://youtu.be/1AS-dCdYZbo
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I went to watch Wishbone Ash on Friday night. They were playing the Argos album (and Wishbone 4) in full.
During the introduction to one song they started playing the national anthem and I thought, that's not on the album? They then stopped and Martin Turner said 'that is the last time we are ever going to play God Save The Queen. Lets have a cheer for Queen Elizabeth'. They then continued into the rest of the song, The King Will Come.
It was quite moving.
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French car, Italian word, British advert.
Years later I found out the music from the Renault ad was by Robert Palmer.
https://youtu.be/7_SAMrDnXOE
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Martin Turner was playing??? Since when has he been back in the band?! What happened to Bob Skeat???
BobG
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
M&S in Sheffield have closed off their escalators to show respect to the Queen.
We're a strange country.
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Odd how the Queen, a lady not known for taking a political view on things or be outspoken about things called people who wouldn't get the jab selfish and made a plea for people to 'do their duty' and get vaccinated.
One of the reasons why my respect for her is very limited indeed and hugely less that what it used to be. Such a shame she had to become embroiled in this nonsense in the first place.
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
M&S in Sheffield have closed off their escalators to show respect to the Queen.
We're a strange country.
That's strange on so many levels.
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Boom boom. Tim Vine will be sending you an invoice.
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He can have it for a fiver.
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Martin Turner was playing??? Since when has he been back in the band?! What happened to Bob Skeat???
BobG
It was the Martin Turner version, Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash. First time I have seen them and thought they were excellent.
Bob is still with Andy (as far as I know) and hoping to catch them again on their tour later this year.
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Last night of the Proms cancelled.
Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.
Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.
It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.
M&S in Sheffield have closed off their escalators to show respect to the Queen.
We're a strange country.
The photo in the Mail has to be the pinnacle in my opinion .
Claiming a cloud was an image of the Queen .
Someone please put it on here as I'm not that tech savvy .
To be fair I roared with laughter which ain't no bad thing .
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Old sausage fingers is the end of the monarchy surely.
If the Monarchy ends, Copps, we'll lose billions in tourism.
Who the f*ck would want to come here to try and get a glimpse of Truss or Keith?
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Old sausage fingers is the end of the monarchy surely.
If the Monarchy ends, Copps, we'll lose billions in tourism.
Who the f*ck would want to come here to try and get a glimpse of Truss or Keith?
To be fair Steve I've never seen the Queen outside the gates of Buck House posing for selfies with a group of wide eyed Japanese tourists .
Paris is the most visited city in Europe and the French got rid of their monarchy 300 years ago .
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Tyke, is Paris the most visited city in Europe BECAUSE the French got rid of their monarchy?
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Odd how the Queen, a lady not known for taking a political view on things or be outspoken about things called people who wouldn't get the jab selfish and made a plea for people to 'do their duty' and get vaccinated.
One of the reasons why my respect for her is very limited indeed and hugely less that what it used to be. Such a shame she had to become embroiled in this nonsense in the first place.
Did she call them selfish.?
How many people died in this country from covid.? How many lives have been saved by the vaccine.? I caught covid a few weeks ago and was quite poorly for a few days like having the flu but I had had 3 jabs. How ill might I have become without the vaccines.??
Of course it is a personal choice to take the vaccine or not, but if the queen had said f**k all about it there would be plenty of folks claiming she didn’t care.. her stance on this showed she cared for the population of her country.
What’s wrong with that.?
“nonsense” my arse.!!
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Been a while since Julius Caesar was around but tourists still go to roam.
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Roaming is what tourists do.
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Tyke, is Paris the most visited city in Europe BECAUSE the French got rid of their monarchy?
I pretty much doubt it but to say London is a tourist hotbed because of the Monarchy does have some flaws .
Nobody is saying all the sites have to be raised to the ground including Buck House .
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Old sausage fingers is the end of the monarchy surely.
If the Monarchy ends, Copps, we'll lose billions in tourism.
Who the f*ck would want to come here to try and get a glimpse of Truss or Keith?
Tourists don't come to look at Monarchy. They come to look at buildings. France still makes plenty of money out of its defunct monarchy and tourists still dutifully visit sites like Versailles.
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Tyke, is Paris the most visited city in Europe BECAUSE the French got rid of their monarchy?
I pretty much doubt it but to say London is a tourist hotbed because of the Monarchy does have some flaws .
Nobody is saying all the sites have to be raised to the ground including Buck House .
But millions of people from here and overseas love and admire our monarchy. You don't have to like it, you have a choice not to, so why deprive those who do like it of a choice?
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Tyke, is Paris the most visited city in Europe BECAUSE the French got rid of their monarchy?
I pretty much doubt it but to say London is a tourist hotbed because of the Monarchy does have some flaws .
Nobody is saying all the sites have to be raised to the ground including Buck House .
But millions of people from here and overseas love and admire our monarchy. You don't have to like it, you have a choice not to, so why deprive those who do like it of a choice?
It goes way way deeper than that BB , worthy of debate another time .
Besides there's always Madam Tussauds on Baker Street which is about as good as you get to Royal spot unless you've enough brass to hire a huge executive area at Ascot or Epsom for the day next to the chosen ones .
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Or you could go pay your respects at the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday. You’ll see royalty there.. not sure how close these days.
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Tyke, is Paris the most visited city in Europe BECAUSE the French got rid of their monarchy?
I pretty much doubt it but to say London is a tourist hotbed because of the Monarchy does have some flaws .
Nobody is saying all the sites have to be raised to the ground including Buck House .
But millions of people from here and overseas love and admire our monarchy. You don't have to like it, you have a choice not to, so why deprive those who do like it of a choice?
The answer to that is many people resent royalty living the magnificent lifestyles they do and actually having to contribute to that. And that is understandable, it is unfair and they have won one of the lotteries of life.
That said that view does not consider the PR role the royal family does play for the UK. Soft power, influence and that monarchy probably does stabilise political culture to some degree.
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Or you could go pay your respects at the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday. You’ll see royalty there.. not sure how close these days.
But I wouldn't go just to see royalty , I'd go to pay my respects to the fallen who have served and defended this country on the field of battle .
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Tyke, is Paris the most visited city in Europe BECAUSE the French got rid of their monarchy?
I pretty much doubt it but to say London is a tourist hotbed because of the Monarchy does have some flaws .
Nobody is saying all the sites have to be raised to the ground including Buck House .
But millions of people from here and overseas love and admire our monarchy. You don't have to like it, you have a choice not to, so why deprive those who do like it of a choice?
They do indeed Bentley
''WA proclaims the new Sovereign, King Charles III as Perth pays touching corgi tribute to Queen''
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/wa-proclamation-new-sovereign-king-charles/101427258
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Or you could go pay your respects at the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday. You’ll see royalty there.. not sure how close these days.
But I wouldn't go just to see royalty , I'd go to pay my respects to the fallen who have served and defended this country on the field of battle .
Yes me too, but the point I was making was to show there are other opportunities to see royalty relatively close..
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Martin Turner was playing??? Since when has he been back in the band?! What happened to Bob Skeat???
BobG
It was the Martin Turner version, Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash. First time I have seen them and thought they were excellent.
Bob is still with Andy (as far as I know) and hoping to catch them again on their tour later this year.
Last time I saw the AndyP version was in Froome I suppose not very long before lockdowns started.
I haven't seen or heard anything about Ashcons for ages now. Did they abandon them? Used to go upto Mansfield (!!) regularly for those.
Bob
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Been a while since Julius Caesar was around but tourists still go to roam.
Roam, Rome.
Whoosh BB!
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Old sausage fingers is the end of the monarchy surely.
If the Monarchy ends, Copps, we'll lose billions in tourism.
Who the f*ck would want to come here to try and get a glimpse of Truss or Keith?
Time to bump this: https://www.republic.org.uk/tourism
Among many salient points in that article is this:
"In their press statements they [VisitBritain] said the monarchy generates £500m a year in tourism revenue.
That simply isn’t true. And VisitBritain should have known it wasn’t true.
At the time Republic sent them a Freedom of Information request , asking for any internal documents relating to their press release. They sent us a memo from their research department to their press office pointing out that they had no evidence that the economy would be helped by a royal wedding.
We then took a closer look at that £500m figure VisitBritain had put out. To get to that figure they added up the revenue of every single ticketed visitor attraction that had even the slightest connection to royalty past or present. There was no evidence provided to suggest any of that revenue was because of the monarchy, rather than an interest in history or the merits of the individual attractions.
VisitBritain stopped using the figure, but the £500m still does the rounds, being endlessly repeated as fact by journalists, businesses and fact checkers.
It’s worth also pointing out that while £500m might sound a lot, it’s a tiny figure when compared to total GDP and Britain’s tourism industry. It’s actually smaller than the margin of error for calculating GDP, so even if it were lost to the economy the country wouldn’t notice.
That figure:
only represents 0.01% of the UK’s economy
just 0.3% of income from Britain’s tourism industry
1.9% of the UK’s heritage tourism.
So even when attracting people to the UK for our history and heritage the royals just don’t make any difference.
In 2018 Republic sent another freedom of information request to VisitBritain asking for any data or research they might have that showed the impact of the monarchy on tourism. They couldn’t provide any.
Yet the tourism line keeps getting repeated even while it’s admitted there is no evidence."
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With the total MSM blackout of anything other than the Queen, you'd be forgiven for thinking that the rest of the world doesn't exist anymore. I (reluctantly) pay my TV licence fee for ALL news, not just saturation news on the Queen's death. Disgraceful.
Also, even on Talksport and Talkradio they have been banging on about the Queen relentlessly since last Thursday. God help us when Charles dies.
I might have to bite the bullet and get netflix then.
Mass hysteria taking hold again i see.
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With the total MSM blackout of anything other than the Queen, you'd be forgiven for thinking that the rest of the world doesn't exist anymore. I (reluctantly) pay my TV licence fee for ALL news, not just saturation news on the Queen's death. Disgraceful.
Also, even on Talksport and Talkradio they have been banging on about the Queen relentlessly since last Thursday. God help us when Charles dies.
I might have to bite the bullet and get netflix then.
Mass hysteria taking hold again i see.
Then you can watch all 4 seasons of The Crown
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There are a few chosen ones on here I would like to know Just what they do like about anything in life in general, putting them all in a room would be a right hoot.
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Mourners have been told by park officials not to leave Paddington Bear teddies, balloons or other 'unsuitable' items as tributes to the Queen.
Officials from Royal Parks charity said 'in the interests of sustainability, we ask visitors to only lay organic or compostable material'.
Can they not lay of the environmental b*llocks just for a few days??!
Totally insensitive IMO. There might be some young kid who has spent their pocket money on a Paddington teddy to lay down there and you get some jobsworth arseholes coming out with this nonsense.
Get a grip Royal Parks and show some gratitude.
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Selby never a truer word spoken. The I hate everything and everyone brigade who disagree with every subject
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I wish some bears were extinct!
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God forbid anyone disagrees with a subject! :ohmy:
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I wish some bears were extinct!
Apparently they are notorious for having phantom births and struggle to conceive. If only!!
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Little wonder they have two black eyes.
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GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.
Not hospitals though.
That's fair.......... :whistle:
Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.
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I'm just wondering if the Clarkson family still has the rights to the Paddington Bear soft toys? I looked at one in the shop at Paddington station a few years ago it had a label saying made in China but it also said Rainbow Designs. I think that was the name of the business at the top of Adwick school fields next to the North Rd.
If it is still them, they will be coining it in now.
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I’ve heard that all the barbie dolls left for the Duke of York have also been removed.
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With the total MSM blackout of anything other than the Queen, you'd be forgiven for thinking that the rest of the world doesn't exist anymore. I (reluctantly) pay my TV licence fee for ALL news, not just saturation news on the Queen's death. Disgraceful.
Also, even on Talksport and Talkradio they have been banging on about the Queen relentlessly since last Thursday. God help us when Charles dies.
I might have to bite the bullet and get netflix then.
Mass hysteria taking hold again i see.
Mass hysteria what the f**k.?
Our monarch of over 70 years has died. In the history of our nation that is a momentous event.
You are using the internet to use this forum, so you can just as easily visit the bbc news website - other sites available too - where of course there is plenty of coverage to the queen but also other news. It’s there, you can find it.
As I type I’m watching bbc news talking at length about the latest in Ukraine and now covid in the uk.
Give it a rest, eh.?
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Mourners have been told by park officials not to leave Paddington Bear teddies, balloons or other 'unsuitable' items as tributes to the Queen.
Officials from Royal Parks charity said 'in the interests of sustainability, we ask visitors to only lay organic or compostable material'.
Can they not lay of the environmental b*llocks just for a few days??!
Totally insensitive IMO. There might be some young kid who has spent their pocket money on a Paddington teddy to lay down there and you get some jobsworth arseholes coming out with this nonsense.
Get a grip Royal Parks and show some gratitude.
They have also instructed that people leaving flowers should remove the wrapping before bringing them - 'sustainability' cited as the reason. This whole thing is nothing more than a repeat of the old 'elf n' safety' excuse that gets rolled out by officials with other agendas.
In this case the real concern is terrorism. It would be dead easy to hide a small explosive device inside a Paddington bear or a bouquet of flowers among thousands of others.
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GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.
Not hospitals though.
That's fair.......... :whistle:
Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.
It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?
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I'm just wondering if the Clarkson family still has the rights to the Paddington Bear soft toys? I looked at one in the shop at Paddington station a few years ago it had a label saying made in China but it also said Rainbow Designs. I think that was the name of the business at the top of Adwick school fields next to the North Rd.
If it is still them, they will be coining it in now.
They might own the rights to the design but they won't own the ultimate rights to call them Paddington Bear though.
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GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.
Not hospitals though.
That's fair.......... :whistle:
Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.
GPs in the main are private business, hospitals aren’t, please don’t ever think they are bound by the same guidelines
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I'm just wondering if the Clarkson family still has the rights to the Paddington Bear soft toys? I looked at one in the shop at Paddington station a few years ago it had a label saying made in China but it also said Rainbow Designs. I think that was the name of the business at the top of Adwick school fields next to the North Rd.
If it is still them, they will be coining it in now.
Wasn’t it Gabrielle designs?
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GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.
Not hospitals though.
That's fair.......... :whistle:
Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.
GPs in the main are private business, hospitals aren’t, please don’t ever think they are bound by the same guidelines
I am aware of this but they are supposed to be frontline healthcare professionals. When it suits them of course.
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Been a while since Julius Caesar was around but tourists still go to roam.
Roam, Rome.
Whoosh BB!
Whoosh CC#3
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Center Parcs have told holidaymakers that they are closing for the Queens funeral and that holidaymakers have to arrive on the Tuesday! Reports also that people staying there already need to leave.
Absolutely mental. The CEO of that company needs sacking as of right now.
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Center Parcs have told holidaymakers that they are closing for the Queens funeral and that holidaymakers have to arrive on the Tuesday! Reports also that people staying there already need to leave.
Absolutely mental. The CEO of that company needs sacking as of right now.
I'd love it if VSC shut this forum all day on Monday just to annoy you.
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Center Parcs have told holidaymakers that they are closing for the Queens funeral and that holidaymakers have to arrive on the Tuesday! Reports also that people staying there already need to leave.
Absolutely mental. The CEO of that company needs sacking as of right now.
I'd love it if VSC shut this forum all day on Monday just to annoy you.
let's hope they "panda to your wishes" :suicide:
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Center Parcs have told holidaymakers that they are closing for the Queens funeral and that holidaymakers have to arrive on the Tuesday! Reports also that people staying there already need to leave.
Absolutely mental. The CEO of that company needs sacking as of right now.
Is there anything you are NOT angry about.??
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Well the price of bamboo has gone up a lot.
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Just wondering Panda, fully aware of your circumstances but where did you vent during your hiatus on the forum or did you not feel the need?. You do seem to getting more reactionary than you were a few weeks back and crossed my mind this might be connected? Could be wrong like and you just being opposite
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Just wondering Panda, fully aware of your circumstances but where did you vent during your hiatus on the forum or did you not feel the need?. You do seem to getting more reactionary than you were a few weeks back and crossed my mind this might be connected? Could be wrong like and you just being opposite
I seem to recall maybe about 3 years ago we had a "poster" who acknowledged he had "personal " problems. FULL STOP.
mutually exclusive ?
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Center Parcs have told holidaymakers that they are closing for the Queens funeral and that holidaymakers have to arrive on the Tuesday! Reports also that people staying there already need to leave.
Absolutely mental. The CEO of that company needs sacking as of right now.
Is there anything you are NOT angry about.??
I'm not angry about people who make sensible decisions. For example, all the holiday park owners in the UK who are carrying on as normal despite the Queen's sad passing. I'm not angry about them. Just angry about idiots paid lots of money to make really stupid decisions that affect paying customers and causing them more hassle than they need.
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On the Queen. It would have been good for a lot of people if the Royal Train had taken the Queen's coffin by rail from Edinburgh to London. Can you imagine the sheer number of people being able to stand by a rail track and be given the opportunity to see that?
Many people do not have the means, time, money to spend in London.
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On the Queen. It would have been good for a lot of people if the Royal Train had taken the Queen's coffin by rail from Edinburgh to London. Can you imagine the sheer number of people being able to stand by a rail track and be given the opportunity to see that?
Many people do not have the means, time, money to spend in London.
Even more people can look up at the sky!
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From Harpers Newsletter. Poor old corgis, what did they do to deserve that:
https://twitter.com/Lanre_Bakare/status/1569675763405783041
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From Harpers Newsletter. Poor old corgis, what did they do to deserve that:
https://twitter.com/Lanre_Bakare/status/1569675763405783041
Dogs abuse?
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Probably found out they are 15 in dog years
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More mass over reaction. This time from my kids scout leader who emailed me to say that at Scouts this week they will be 'running a quiet programme indoors due to the period of mourning for the Queen'.
Jesus wept. They're kids. They're at Scouts. They want to have fun!
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More mass over reaction. This time from my kids scout leader who emailed me to say that at Scouts this week they will be 'running a quiet programme indoors due to the period of mourning for the Queen'.
Jesus wept. They're kids. They're at Scouts. They want to have fun!
Their oath obviously means more to them than it does to you.
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I would suggest it is a bit outdated and that many agreeing to it do not really understand it's meaning nor care and or agree because that's what is required to join the group, at age 12.
''I will do my duty as a Scout, to my God, my King, and my Country. I will be loyal to the B.B.S., and will keep its laws. On my honour I will Love God; Honour the Queen; Respect all. On my honour I will, without fear or reward, protect the weak, defend the helpless, and assist my neighbour''
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Center Parcs have told holidaymakers that they are closing for the Queens funeral and that holidaymakers have to arrive on the Tuesday! Reports also that people staying there already need to leave.
Absolutely mental. The CEO of that company needs sacking as of right now.
Cp have now backtracked on this decision
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I would suggest it is a bit outdated and that many agreeing to it do not really understand it's meaning nor care and or agree because that's what is required to join the group, at age 12.
''I will do my duty as a Scout, to my God, my King, and my Country. I will be loyal to the B.B.S., and will keep its laws. On my honour I will Love God; Honour the Queen; Respect all. On my honour I will, without fear or reward, protect the weak, defend the helpless, and assist my neighbour''
Totally agree.
Who cares about the oath? It's Scouts. Kids go to learn, develop, experience and have fun. The rest is just outdated nonsense.
I have to say though that the Scout leaders are all volunteers and they do an amazing job and an amazingly generous thing by giving up their time so the kids are able to participate. They are the people who deserve the respect, not some non existent God or King who nobody has ever met.
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Center Parcs have told holidaymakers that they are closing for the Queens funeral and that holidaymakers have to arrive on the Tuesday! Reports also that people staying there already need to leave.
Absolutely mental. The CEO of that company needs sacking as of right now.
Cp have now backtracked on this decision
Yes, i've seen that NR.
Just beggars belief which overpaid numbskulls sat round a room and actually thought a decision like this was a good idea?!
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What was that thing about not being disrespectful during this time of mourning?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/king-charles-staff-given-redundancy-notice-during-church-service-for-queen?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.
Not hospitals though.
That's fair.......... :whistle:
Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.
It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?
Well yeah but many hospitals, including DRI are now cancelling some appointments and non urgent surgeries. It's all about them (NHS) and not the patients.
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GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.
Not hospitals though.
That's fair.......... :whistle:
Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.
It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?
Well yeah but many hospitals, including DRI are now cancelling some appointments and non urgent surgeries. It's all about them (NHS) and not the patients.
It may have escaped your attention but it is in fact people who work for the nhs, people who have the same rights as any worker. Go preach your vendetta elsewhere
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GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.
Not hospitals though.
That's fair.......... :whistle:
Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.
It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?
Well yeah but many hospitals, including DRI are now cancelling some appointments and non urgent surgeries. It's all about them (NHS) and not the patients.
It may have escaped your attention but it is in fact people who work for the nhs, people who have the same rights as any worker. Go preach your vendetta elsewhere
On what basis do you think it is OK for a health service to cancel appointments in this frivolous manner? Do you not consider the rights and feelings of patients, some of which who will have been awaiting these appointments / operations for some time for which they are fully entitled to receive.
You have a vendetta by not considering the other side of the coin. The patients perspective. Choosing only to look at the perspective of the NHS.
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BST I owe you an apology, this guys whinging is on a whole different planet
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GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.
Not hospitals though.
That's fair.......... :whistle:
Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.
It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?
Well yeah but many hospitals, including DRI are now cancelling some appointments and non urgent surgeries. It's all about them (NHS) and not the patients.
It may have escaped your attention but it is in fact people who work for the nhs, people who have the same rights as any worker. Go preach your vendetta elsewhere
On what basis do you think it is OK for a health service to cancel appointments in this frivolous manner? Do you not consider the rights and feelings of patients, some of which who will have been awaiting these appointments / operations for some time for which they are fully entitled to receive.
You have a vendetta by not considering the other side of the coin. The patients perspective. Choosing only to look at the perspective of the NHS.
That’s ok, trample all over workers rights because CDH has a hissy fit over a once in 70 years event, sack everyone, damn supermarkets for closing. Fire all the bank workers for not been at work
Where should we stop ? Is there anything you won’t whinge at?
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BST I owe you an apology, this guys whinging is on a whole different planet
How is it whinging to point out that the NHS should not be cancelling people's appointments and operations simply because the Queen died nearly a week ago? It is a reasonable point to make and you haven't answered the question as to why you don't see the same situation from the point of view of patients? I don't expect you will answer either because i'm right.
Enjoy your happiness on Monday. I'll enjoy fighting for moral and social justice and to restore this country back to one that works for people. Some of us have to whilst others are off enjoying themselves and being happy.
How about the fire brigade have the day off and operate on a skeleton staff? Would you prefer your house burning down so that some firemen can have the day off?
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Yes nobody ever should have time off, 24/7 working hours for all!!!
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BST I owe you an apology, this guys whinging is on a whole different planet
Mr Angry
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When is he going to take a day off, that's what I want to know!
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On what basis do you think it is OK for a health service to cancel appointments in this frivolous manner? Do you not consider the rights and feelings of patients, some of which who will have been awaiting these appointments / operations for some time for which they are fully entitled to receive.
You have a vendetta by not considering the other side of the coin. The patients perspective. Choosing only to look at the perspective of the NHS.
Quite right, state funerals are just too damn well frivolous! Enforced jollity for all or take the whip to them, eh? :silly:
PS spoken as one who has had an NHS appointment on the 19th cancelled. How dare you speak about what you think my feelings are without asking? What would someone who hides behind their autism know about others' feelings anyway?
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Having thought about it, i can see the point made that every person - regardless of where they work - should be entitled to pay their respects on the day of the funeral. That is equality and i am for that so yes, i accept that now.
The reason why many people (not just myself) are criticising the NHS for cancelling appointments because of the funeral etc is because the NHS make a habit of it under normal circumstances and if the NHS were functioning effectively for the most part, these people (like myself) maybe wouldn't be so quick to jump on them and this particular day off then wouldn't made much of a difference to patients.
So yes, every NHS worker has the right to do what they see fit on that bank holiday but also, people's live are affected by hospital cancellations and i really don't think these people get their feelings considered by the NHS.
I was awaiting a hospital appointment from March this year and at the end of July, having waited 4 months already - i received a letter from the hospital informing me that the appointment was cancelled.
No apology was given for the cancellation or for any inconvenience or distress caused as a result of the cancellation. No reason for the cancellation was given and no alternative date was provided. They effectively just made me wait 4 months and a month from being seen they sent me the above letter which i felt was crass and didn't consider my feelings as a patient.
I complained and had my feelings and thoughts considered and to the hospitals credit they got me booked in a few weeks before the origninal cancelled appointment. So it's not only about cancellations of appointments with the NHS, it is the manner in which they communicate (or not) with patients that rubs people up the wrong way and there's no need for it IMO.
So you have to consider that a person may have experienced poor care and poor communication from previous encounters with the NHS and this has the potential to make a person begin to view the NHS in an unfavourable light. Which i think is understandable.
The point being made here though and which i can now agree i was wrong about is that everyone has a right as equals to pay their respects to the Queen as British citizens and for others this is going to cause inevitable disruption that probably cannot be avoided for the most part.
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On what basis do you think it is OK for a health service to cancel appointments in this frivolous manner? Do you not consider the rights and feelings of patients, some of which who will have been awaiting these appointments / operations for some time for which they are fully entitled to receive.
You have a vendetta by not considering the other side of the coin. The patients perspective. Choosing only to look at the perspective of the NHS.
Quite right, state funerals are just too damn well frivolous! Enforced jollity for all or take the whip to them, eh? :silly:
PS spoken as one who has had an NHS appointment on the 19th cancelled. How dare you speak about what you think my feelings are without asking? What would someone who hides behind their autism know about others' feelings anyway?
Thanks for that. I can see that you are annoyed and i empathise.
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I'm annoyed with you, not the NHS.
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I'm annoyed with you, not the NHS.
Thanks for expressing your feelings. I hope you are able to find ways of coming to terms with the annoyance in a way that doesn't continue to affect your health and wellbeing.
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I'm annoyed with you, not the NHS.
his XG(expected goals) sorry XP(expected posts per day) is a mere 20.33 as the weather man often says about the weather pressure "rising steadily" :zzz:
his curfew hours are 10pm til 7am :crying: :crying:
i tried to be subtle when i started this thread below
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=285955.0
but alas it has fallen on stony ground
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Thanks for expressing your feelings. I hope you are able to find ways of coming to terms with the annoyance in a way that doesn't continue to affect your health and wellbeing.
Pointing out the error of your ways is the perfect antidote.
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I'm annoyed with you, not the NHS.
his XG(expected goals) sorry XP(expected posts per day) is a mere 20.33 as the weather man often says about the weather pressure "rising steadily" :zzz:
Fast approaching the number of different user names he has had on here. Madder than Mad Mick and that's very mad indeed.
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What, 2?
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I would suggest it is a bit outdated and that many agreeing to it do not really understand it's meaning nor care and or agree because that's what is required to join the group, at age 12.
''I will do my duty as a Scout, to my God, my King, and my Country. I will be loyal to the B.B.S., and will keep its laws. On my honour I will Love God; Honour the Queen; Respect all. On my honour I will, without fear or reward, protect the weak, defend the helpless, and assist my neighbour''
Totally agree.
Who cares about the oath? It's Scouts. Kids go to learn, develop, experience and have fun. The rest is just outdated nonsense.
I have to say though that the Scout leaders are all volunteers and they do an amazing job and an amazingly generous thing by giving up their time so the kids are able to participate. They are the people who deserve the respect, not some non existent God or King who nobody has ever met.
There are also Scout Leaders who ‘generously’ give up their time in order to ‘get closer’ to children for very different reasons as do Girl Guide Leaders.
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I would suggest it is a bit outdated and that many agreeing to it do not really understand it's meaning nor care and or agree because that's what is required to join the group, at age 12.
''I will do my duty as a Scout, to my God, my King, and my Country. I will be loyal to the B.B.S., and will keep its laws. On my honour I will Love God; Honour the Queen; Respect all. On my honour I will, without fear or reward, protect the weak, defend the helpless, and assist my neighbour''
Totally agree.
Who cares about the oath? It's Scouts. Kids go to learn, develop, experience and have fun. The rest is just outdated nonsense.
I have to say though that the Scout leaders are all volunteers and they do an amazing job and an amazingly generous thing by giving up their time so the kids are able to participate. They are the people who deserve the respect, not some non existent God or King who nobody has ever met.
There are also Scout Leaders who ‘generously’ give up their time in order to ‘get closer’ to children for very different reasons as do Girl Guide Leaders.
Indeed. Most are normal people though. I'd argue that the people who you are referring to are generally men who target young boys rather than young girls. Given all but one of our Scout leaders are female and i have a daughter then that reduces the chances of an 'adverse event' happening. If it did, the person responsible would not survive.
I take your point though and i'd certainly draw the line at letting my kid join a church choir.
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landlady of the pub my gf's band are due to play at on Saturday is under pressure to cancel it. Nasty bullying from folks who are "up the bloody tree", nothing to do with respect.
Anyway, was going to say about "Papa". In the UK it is posh - Latin and Norman, but goes further than that. It is one of the first three words a baby says. Baba, Papa, Mama. All labial sounds. So of course people take them to mean they are talking about mum or dad, or themselves - whch they're obviously not :lol: But those words are culturally universal in referring to parents. Sometimes dad is baba, sometimes papa. Not sure it's ever mama.
And then you get the sounds like Ta and Da made by using the tongue.
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I've changed my narrow-minded opinion about those people queuing to see the Queen in state. I think, daft as it sounds, the lack of being able to take photos in there has seen people attend who genuinely feel they have a calling to attend rather than just opportunists who want to use it as a photo opportunity and to share it all over social media.
There seems to be a lot of stoicism and camaraderie from those in the queue and there does appear to be a lot of genuine people there simply wanting to pay their respects in the way they see fit rather than attention seekers who just want to go to make a statement and say that they've been.
Personally i wouldn't queue but i can see now why many wish to and can see what they are gaining from the whole experience. Good luck to them.
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As a former Scout Leader of 10 years I take exeption at some of the comments on here. Before being allowed anywhere near the Scout Hut I was interviewed by the local Scout leader and agreed to have a police search. Yes some may slip through the net but how many and how often?
Oh and Handshake think you need to take a back seat for a while the anger is coming through again
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Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.
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You didn't suggest they were kiddy fiddlers as you put it.
My comment to you was seperate regarding a number of posts you are making, you are falling back into your angry old ways
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Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.
250 convictions since I was a boy & one abuse to one of my brothers.
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How English is this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-62915146
Queueing 24 hours for summat for free.
I bet when it narrows down to one lane, some t**t will go right to the end before they merge in.
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Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.
250 convictions since I was a boy & one abuse to one of my brothers.
I am truly sorry to read of that CCN3. It's an appalling breach of trust and a shocking crime. Hopefully the person got what they deserved.
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Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.
250 convictions since I was a boy & one abuse to one of my brothers.
Sincr the 1950s, Yep in my case stretching over 70 years, including 2 in recent years. Wonder why no further detail is given as to numbers in more recent years since more stringent searches were made. One bad egg doesn't spoil a dozen though
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Fancy queuing for hours and hours to see an empty box . Bit weird if you ask me.
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Why is it empty? Has she done the lizard shape-shifting thing?
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Why is it empty? Has she done the lizard shape-shifting thing?
Just stop with the t**tty David icke stuff you f**kin bell.
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Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.
250 convictions since I was a boy & one abuse to one of my brothers.
I am truly sorry to read of that CCN3. It's an appalling breach of trust and a shocking crime. Hopefully the person got what they deserved.
I was too young to remember the events at the time. I just remember policemen knocking on our door one late evening.
Years later our mum told us this scout leader had abused other boys under his ‘care’. He served some 18 months in custody.
Some time shortly after his release mum was working in Hodgson & Hepworths, the bloke walked in & mum (although recognising him immediately) was the employee behind the counter who fell on next to serve him.
It’s not just those abused, it has a ‘trickle on down effect’ to all their family.
I wish nothing but the greatest of harm on this earth to such people.
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Have the old people and Glasgow Rangers fans done with this mourning yet ?
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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Wristbands given to the people queuing to see the Queen are being sold on ebay for over a grand apparently!
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I can't help but think there is a kind of celebrity madness going on here.
Queueing up all night in the cold, to walk past a box with a flag on it? I'm afraid I don't understand this. Still, if it's what they want to do, good luck to them.
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Did you hear about the two old lasses from Southport who took their husbands' ashes "because they would have wanted to be there"?
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Did you hear about the two old lasses from Southport who took their husbands' ashes "because they would have wanted to be there"?
I think i might have to dig my Nan up from Mexborough church yard and drag her coffin down there. She was always a big admirer of the Queen.
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If it made the two old lasses comfortable then well done to them for taking the ashes with them.
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If you stop and think about it... Parading a dead body around the country. Putting it on display.
I don't know, it's a bit mad isn't it?
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If you stop and think about it... Parading a dead body around the country. Putting it on display.
I don't know, it's a bit mad isn't it?
Yes it is. Overkill.
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Did you hear about the two old lasses from Southport who took their husbands' ashes "because they would have wanted to be there"?
I think i might have to dig my Nan up from Mexborough church yard and drag her coffin down there. She was always a big admirer of the Queen.
It's what she would have wanted
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I'm not particularly anti monarchy but can't people get a grip?
A nice old lady has had a very good long life. It's sad but it is not the end of the world.
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I'm all for respect but isn't this getting a bit out of hand?
https://mobile.twitter.com/metoffice/status/1568167498410778631
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/62940932
I'm...I'm speechless. How DARE they post a weather forecast? Don't they know the Queen has died?
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Apparently Prince Andrew has stated that when he ‘passes’ he doesn’t wish to have ‘a big do’.
He simply wishes for his coffin to lie in state for a couple of weeks at the Moulin Rouge.
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Some dumb woman is on Sky News saying she's queued twice as first time her 6 year old daughter had a meltdown due to queuing over 6 hours. So what did the mum do? Queue again! :suicide:
Not only did she put a 6 year old through this but she had strapped to her a baby in a baby carrier!
Then she said her partner said she was mad queuing. Honestly. Some people. Got two kids too. Crikey.
I think most normal families would leave these young kids at home with the dad if the dad didn't want to go and the wife / gf can go alone and queue. Ludicrous.
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Full respect to Becks though. As well as queuing on his own for 12 hours, when offered the disgusting option that other celebrities and dignitaries have taken up, of jumping the queue and going straight in, he refused and queued like everybody else.
Absolute dignity and respect for others. Well done, Becks.
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Agreed SS and I said just the same thing to my family when I saw that on the news.
Similarly Dame Kelly Holmes too who also joined the long queue.
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Susanna Reid and her Mum queued
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Like everyone else then? Susannah Reid and David Beckham are just people. No big deal if they queue like the rest really. Don't see why they are being singled out for praise for doing what everyone else has done.
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Well putting aside my Republicism I have to say the old girl is getting one hell of a send off .
Marvellous pageantry and colour , nobody in the world does this like we do , spectacular .
Anyway I might as well watch it given I've paid for the bugga .
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Well putting aside my Republicism I have to say the old girl is getting one hell of a send off .
Marvellous pageantry and colour , nobody in the world does this like we do , spectacular .
Anyway I might as well watch it given I've paid for the bugga .
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Can I watch please? am I allowed. As I haven't paid a penny in to the UK for the last 10 years, and don't intend to again ;)
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Well putting aside my Republicism I have to say the old girl is getting one hell of a send off .
Marvellous pageantry and colour , nobody in the world does this like we do , spectacular .
Anyway I might as well watch it given I've paid for the bugga .
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It's been amazing to watch, genuine scenes that in future will be shown for centuries.
It's these things that make the country unique and we shouldn't forget that.
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Simply magnificent
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I wonder how much all this has cost over the past 11 days?
Oh well, at least disabled people are getting an extra £150 this month.......... :whistle:
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I wonder how much all this has cost over the past 11 days?
Oh well, at least disabled people are getting an extra £150 this month.......... :whistle:
Take a day off from being a Kitson
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I've actually watched the US coverage on NBC News just to get a insight in to their view of it .
The commentators are in awe of it , spellbound by it even .
This state funeral is live on every US news channel .
You don't realise what a huge , significant and historical event this is and no doubt all across the whole world .
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I wonder how much all this has cost over the past 11 days?
Oh well, at least disabled people are getting an extra £150 this month.......... :whistle:
Take a day off from being a Kitson
I believe you said before that this wasn't possible as i'm like this every day?
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I've actually watched the US coverage on NBC News just to get a insight in to their view of it .
The commentators are in awe of it , spellbound by it even .
This state funeral is live on every US news channel .
You don't realise what a huge , significant and historical event this is and no doubt all across the whole world .
They love our pomp and ceremony, along with the Japanese, don’t forget the yanks are our Colonials lol!
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Someone said it’s like the queen of the world has died
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Just had a quick butchers at the procession right now on the beeb. Refreshing to see lots of people lined up and simply watching the procession and taking it all in. Still obviously a load of numbskulls there with their arms stuck in the air just to film it on their mobiles though, which is probably the real reason why they are there, but a surprising number of normal people just experiencing the procession as it is instead of through a camera lens.
Restores my faith back in a bit in human courtesy and common sense.
Now, back to the Italian footy on BT.
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Defiantly a day where the cost of something and the value of it gets totally smashed out of the park .
Ain't no Republican can really criticise this credibly in my opinion .
The UK at its finest .
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The Queen God bless her a very subtle message at the start of the service at Windsor, Russian Orthodox Kontakion for the departed!,
A gesture to her ex husband or an expression of her beliefs?
Rest in Peace.
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Defiantly a day where the cost of something and the value of it gets totally smashed out of the park .
Ain't no Republican can really criticise this credibly in my opinion .
The UK at its finest .
Well they can. It is usually known by the term, equality. Certainly, equality at birth.
These people worshipping the Queen. They don't realise that they are the same as her. A human being and therefore no human being is above any others.
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Panda I think most there have the primary connection to her as a human being. As such the funeral should be minimalist. The sight of the various Lords and Ladies etc hauling a wagon with a rope would be fitting there. But that's not what she or the event is about.
The other side is the politics internationally and at home. This is about trying to show there are those above and those below. Not the primary reason why folks are there perhaps, but it islll very much in the mix at least subconsciously and backs up why ordinary people are treated like shte by those in power, elected or not.
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Defiantly a day where the cost of something and the value of it gets totally smashed out of the park .
Ain't no Republican can really criticise this credibly in my opinion .
The UK at its finest .
Well they can. It is usually known by the term, equality. Certainly, equality at birth.
These people worshipping the Queen. They don't realise that they are the same as her. A human being and therefore no human being is above any others.
Give it a rest!
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Defiantly a day where the cost of something and the value of it gets totally smashed out of the park .
Ain't no Republican can really criticise this credibly in my opinion .
The UK at its finest .
Well they can. It is usually known by the term, equality. Certainly, equality at birth.
These people worshipping the Queen. They don't realise that they are the same as her. A human being and therefore no human being is above any others.
It is possible to separate an event of this historical magnitude , display of pageantry , colour and sheer splendour seen by the world and feel proud from the woman in the coffin and what it represents .
I'm as good an example as any .
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Glad to have watched the ceremony - my boss (for 24 years) is safely in her place... the pageantry is compulsory and I personally love to see it..... what would be a better alternative?
I don't want to see an off the shelf funeral - send her down with some pomp - do it big and grand.
I'm proud, I've shed tears, and it was a great send off for HM the Queen.
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Kwasi Kwateng, Chancellor of the Exchequer and second most senior politician in government, laughs when taking a phone message whilst sat in Westminster Abbey waiting for the funeral service for HM The Queen to begin:
https://twitter.com/LouisHenwood/status/1571939308948574208
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Defiantly a day where the cost of something and the value of it gets totally smashed out of the park .
Ain't no Republican can really criticise this credibly in my opinion .
The UK at its finest .
Well they can. It is usually known by the term, equality. Certainly, equality at birth.
These people worshipping the Queen. They don't realise that they are the same as her. A human being and therefore no human being is above any others.
It is possible to separate an event of this historical magnitude , display of pageantry , colour and sheer splendour seen by the world and feel proud from the woman in the coffin and what it represents .
I'm as good an example as any .
Tyke i think you may be wasting your breath with some elements on here, rash and crude sentiment is not really required but will be spouted from some, if they really can't accept this then surely staying quiet is the done thing.
It stands to reason that many on here will be anti monarchy and of a republican nature but i do think we do this state pageantry like no other.
Its a fitting send off for a woman who devoted her life and soul to her work. The whys and wherefores can wait for another time but to see the turnout of foreign leaders there does go to show that our Soft Power is still at the top of the tree and does not diminish our place in the world but underpins it.
Good send off for someone who deserved it.
(from a republican minded person)
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Like everyone else then? Susannah Reid and David Beckham are just people. No big deal if they queue like the rest really. Don't see why they are being singled out for praise for doing what everyone else has done.
You've completely missed the point, Panda. They're not being singled out from everyone else who queued, they're being singled out from the cretins that cheated their way in without queuing.
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Nobody cheated Steve, it's how a hierarchical society works, you've seen it writ large today, you just have to know your place is all.
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It looks as if there is going to be a review into the government support into the royal purse which is about £84 million a year, as it has been pointed out that due to the royals owning much of the sea bed to the 12 mile limit, they are set to receive income of billions from the rent so to speak of the land the offshore wind mills stand on.
Not a bad pick up.
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Hard to find adequate words to describe that historical occasion with so much love, respect and admiration for our former Queen together with the historical protocol.
As said above, the way it's viewed far and wide tells you we have some great British values and traditions we should celebrate and appreciate more often.
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It is estimated 63% of the World population watch the events yesterday
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Thing that worried me is the lack of women, I know they've only got 70yrs ago as reference but the world has moved on??! Especially as we were seeing off a Queen! And the last queen anyone alive will probably see?
Wonderful pageantry and fitting for a wonderful monarch but just recon there should have been more women and minorities? especially as we linked her so much with support of the commonwealth
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It is estimated 63% of the World population watch the events yesterday
Figures for the UK are that 29million tuned in - less than 50% of the population, so I'm struggling to believe that estimate for the whole world.
As a comparison, 31 million in the UK watched the England v Italy Euros final.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/20/about-250000-people-queued-to-see-queens-coffin-in-london-says-minister
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It is estimated 63% of the World population watch the events yesterday
Figures for the UK are that 29million tuned in - less than 50% of the population, so I'm struggling to believe that estimate for the whole world.
As a comparison, 31 million in the UK watched the England v Italy Euros final.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/20/about-250000-people-queued-to-see-queens-coffin-in-london-says-minister
Muttley,
This can be very distorted and low on the grounds of how many were actually there in London or lining the route. People may also have attended the large outdoor screens around the country or watched in the many cinemas showing or more likely pubs.
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In 1977 the Morecombe & Wise Christmas Show drew a tv audience of 28.8 million.
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In 1977 the Morecombe & Wise Christmas Show drew a tv audience of 28.8 million.
that was 45 years ago so needs grossing up by 20% (just checked the population increase) that excludes todays 390 new arrivals from France
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I for one hope the coffin bearer team all get medals.
All the other military pageantry and parades should be as close to perfection as you can get, but the odd mistake may go unnoticed except by a few.
But the coffin bearers could not put a foot wrong. Nor did they.
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Bit weird. No cause of death given yet?
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Bit weird. No cause of death given yet?
Does there need to be one given? I doubt very much it was suspicious circumstances. As Lemmy once sang, maybe she was simply killed by death? ;)
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Maybe Truss told her what was going to be in the Budget?
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Bit weird. No cause of death given yet?
She was 96. Not exactly weird.
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BST maybe she’d heard about the Labour files
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Maybe Truss told her what was going to be in the Budget?
Haha i know. She died of shock at all the extra wealth that would have been accumulated.
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''The BBC, ITV and Sky News have been given until Monday to produce a 60-minute compilation of clips they would like to keep from ceremonial events held across the 10 days of mourning for the Queen. The royal household will then consider whether to veto any proposed inclusions.
Once the process is complete, the vast majority of other footage from ceremonial events will then be taken out of circulation. Any news outlets wishing to use unapproved pieces of footage would have to apply to the royal family on a case-by-case basis, even for material that has already been broadcast to tens of millions of people''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/25/uk-broadcasters-battle-monarchy-over-control-of-queens-memorial-footage
Public broadcasters presumably invited by 'the palace' are now being dictated as to how much footage they can use, produced at their own expense?? and all paid for in the end by the public.
And
''Royal family given veto on use of footage of Queen’s funeral
Exclusive: Five short pieces of video removed from circulation under agreement between broadcasters and Buckingham Palace''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/22/royal-family-veto-footage-coverage-queen-elizabeth-ii-funeral
Anyone?
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It is unusual because the amount of media coverage now is I assume vastly more than the last time our monarch died. However should the crown retain editorial control of continued coverage of the funeral etc? Maybe they should, it was one of their family members after all.
In all honesty I don’t really care. It’s done, I watched it, but I have more pressing concerns in my own existence..
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Fair enough IDM, most people have plenty going on. It's strange that it is an afterthought and therefore retrospective, legally I wouldn't think any of it is subject to copyright and therefore compliance would be voluntary.
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It's extremely weird for footage to become the property of the royal family. Anything public filmed in public is public. This might be news agencies crawling to the royals to try and be in their good books for future interviews - probs not tho. I think it makes no sense whatsoever beyond the usual elite having more power than the rest of us.
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It is unusual because the amount of media coverage now is I assume vastly more than the last time our monarch died. However should the crown retain editorial control of continued coverage of the funeral etc? Maybe they should, it was one of their family members after all.
In all honesty I don’t really care. It’s done, I watched it, but I have more pressing concerns in my own existence..
I’m with you on this IDM.
Does it really matter anyway, as you say, the Queen had her family and they have a right to some ongoing privacy if they choose it.
Also, none if us know whether this was pre agreed before the event.
Most of us have other bigger things to be concerned about.
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Yep. Like an unsafe health service, fake cost of living crisis and the fact that British people will become ethnic minorities in our own country within a few years.
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What’s a fake cost of living crisis.?
And by the way, being British already includes lots of different ethnicities, so what’s wrong with that.?
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The cost of living crisis is manufactured. There is no real crisis. It was made deliberately.
As for British people. With the levels of migrants rocking up each week, British people will be a minority group soon.
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Yep. Like an unsafe health service, fake cost of living crisis and the fact that British people will become ethnic minorities in our own country within a few years.
Run that "ethnic British" thing by me again.
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Yep. Like an unsafe health service, fake cost of living crisis and the fact that British people will become ethnic minorities in our own country within a few years.
The Great Replacement Theory, widespread among far-right fascist groups and used by far-right terrorists, such as the guy in New Zealand & several mass murderers in the US, to jusify their actions.
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Yep. Like an unsafe health service, fake cost of living crisis and the fact that British people will become ethnic minorities in our own country within a few years.
The Great Replacement Theory, widespread among far-right fascist groups and used by far-right terrorists, such as the guy in New Zealand & several mass murderers in the US, to jusify their actions.
Don't be silly. Those people are disturbed. Mass murderers don't kill people because of an ideology. They do it because they are severely mentally ill.
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obsession?
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The cost of living crisis is manufactured. There is no real crisis. It was made deliberately.
As for British people. With the levels of migrants rocking up each week, British people will be a minority group soon.
Manufactured? Do you know how many people will need to be involved in that for it to be true?
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Panda, this is what this party and a series of it's governments have given to the people of the UK
14.5 million people
More than one in five of the UK population (22%) are in poverty– 14.5 million people.
https://www.jrf.org.uk/data/overall-uk-poverty-rates#:~:text=More%20than%20one%20in%20five,in%20poverty%E2%80%93%2014.5%20million%20people.
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The cost of living crisis is manufactured. There is no real crisis. It was made deliberately.
As for British people. With the levels of migrants rocking up each week, British people will be a minority group soon.
Manufactured? Do you know how many people will need to be involved in that for it to be true?
Do you know how many people will need to be manipulated in order for them to make them believe the crisis is true? As we saw during Covid, most people are wilfully compliant. To their detriment.
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Panda, who becomes the arbiter of what should be believed?
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The cost of living crisis is manufactured. There is no real crisis. It was made deliberately.
As for British people. With the levels of migrants rocking up each week, British people will be a minority group soon.
Manufactured? Do you know how many people will need to be involved in that for it to be true?
Do you know how many people will need to be manipulated in order for them to make them believe the crisis is true? As we saw during Covid, most people are wilfully compliant. To their detriment.
A damn sight more than it takes to manipulate someone gullible enough to believe it's manufactured. And with zero evidence too.
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The cost of living crisis is manufactured. There is no real crisis. It was made deliberately.
As for British people. With the levels of migrants rocking up each week, British people will be a minority group soon.
You are David Icke, and I claim my £5..
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The cost of living crisis is manufactured. There is no real crisis. It was made deliberately.
As for British people. With the levels of migrants rocking up each week, British people will be a minority group soon.
You are David Icke, and I claim my £5..
Covid
Monkeypox
Everyone was going to burn to death apparently for 2 days in the summer - climate change bullshit
Net zero bullshit leading to lots of people (who can afford it) buying electric vehicles to show off
Fuel shortages at the pumps
Fuel prices at the pumps (which now have become normalized as dumb Brits won't protest therefore we will be paying these prices and more forever)
Food shortages
Food prices going up beyond what they should actually be
NHS
LGBTQ / Trans ideologies being forced onto us and our kids from the elites
Droughts and water shortages - we were all going to run out of water apparently due to having 2 days at 40 degrees this summer
Ukraine war
The list is endless
Wave after wave of crises, most of which don't exist or are manufactured or blown out of proportion to distort perception of people who don't have the ability to see what is happening around them and crises are created and perpetuated.
You lack basic mental faculties and i claim my £5
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I repeat, are you frothing from the mouth?
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The cost of living crisis is manufactured. There is no real crisis. It was made deliberately.
As for British people. With the levels of migrants rocking up each week, British people will be a minority group soon.
You are David Icke, and I claim my £5..
Covid
Monkeypox
Everyone was going to burn to death apparently for 2 days in the summer - climate change bullshit
Net zero bullshit leading to lots of people (who can afford it) buying electric vehicles to show off
Fuel shortages at the pumps
Fuel prices at the pumps (which now have become normalized as dumb Brits won't protest therefore we will be paying these prices and more forever)
Food shortages
Food prices going up beyond what they should actually be
NHS
LGBTQ / Trans ideologies being forced onto us and our kids from the elites
Droughts and water shortages - we were all going to run out of water apparently due to having 2 days at 40 degrees this summer
Ukraine war
The list is endless
Wave after wave of crises, most of which don't exist or are manufactured or blown out of proportion to distort perception of people who don't have the ability to see what is happening around them and crises are created and perpetuated.
You lack basic mental faculties and i claim my £5
Covid - over 100000 people died in this country alone. I caught it and so did all my family but that was after vaccinations so we’re ok now..
Monkey pox - maybe the media is jumpy since covid but this doesn’t seem to be so big now.
No one was going to “burn to death” due to the hot weather - don’t remember seeing that in the tabloid headlines. And show me a meteorologist who denies climate change.?
Fuel shortages happened - a little at first then panic buying kicked in. It happened - you can’t ignore the forecourts with no petrol.
Fuel prices are ridiculously high - but what good is protesting? We can vote with our feet as it were and use less, but we still need to get to work etc. we just drive the minimal amount these days.
Food shortages were only really due to transport issues during covid. Food prices go up quite a lot due to the supply chain and manufacture facing prices hikes.
NHS.? Major staffing issues due to not being able to recruit enough - are you denying that’s a problem?
Forced ideologies? What’s wrong with learning to be tolerant?
The drought is due to a shortage of rainfall since the start of the year, nowt to do with heatwaves. Have a look at any reservoir and you’ll see how much less there is.
The Ukraine war is made up.?
f**k me sideways.
At least come up with some evidence to justify your arguments, or alternatively, just don’t bother posting.
You can express your opinions on the football same as anyone else, at times, so why spoil it with inane rants like the above?
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Methinks someone is desperate for attention.
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Panda should be limited to posts of less than 50 words.
It would save him and us, a LOT of time.
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Panda is to this forum what Russia is to international diplomacy
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Or Prince Andrew is to the Girl Guide movement.
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Panda should be limited to posts of less than 50 words.
It would save him and us, a LOT of time.
Would suit the current obsession that these lefties have with people who don't agree with others getting cancelled wouldn't it?
Don't like what i post or if you think i write too many words? Don't read. Bloody simple solution that doesn't involve Chinese style censorship.
You all need to take a look at your own behaviour sometimes i reckon.
Online bullying at it's finest. You probably wouldn't dare have a pop in real life. How pathetic would that be?
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Methinks someone is desperate for attention.
Youthinks wrong. As usual.
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Anyway, has anyone wondered why petrol prices have come down a lot (not enough though) and diesel has stayed the same?
Maybe because all our goods and foods are transported using diesel vehicles and therefore the Tories can keep the prices artificially high.
Bit weird that.
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Weird.
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Methinks someone is desperate for attention.
Youthinks wrong. As usual.
Thanks. That's just told me who you are.
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Methinks someone is desperate for attention.
Youthinks wrong. As usual.
Thanks. That's just told me who you are.
Who and what am I?
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Methinks someone is desperate for attention.
Youthinks wrong. As usual.
Thanks. That's just told me who you are.
Who and what am I?
What do you want to know for? I'm always wrong aren't I? Very astute for someone who's only been around since someone else has disappeared, presumably after getting a bollocking from the mods about their behaviour.
PS As for what you are, I'm sure everybody else has their own opinion about that.
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Maybe you 2 should have a handshake
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I think we all know Panda's previous identity
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I think we all know Panda's previous identity
Forum identity though to make that clear. I've not suddenly turned into a lady. Well, not last time i looked anyway. :ohmy:
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Your best post yet :-]]
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I think we all know Panda's previous identity
Forum identity though to make that clear. I've not suddenly turned into a lady. Well, not last time i looked anyway. :ohmy:
You might not have female genitals but you're acting like...ah sod it.
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I still would like to know why Sha66y suddenly disappeared off the forum at exactly the same time.
Very mysterious.
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Well i had some arguments with Sha66y so i definitely am not him in disguise. Or her.
Maybe he got banned too? Or she did?
Apologies Sha66y if you're reading. I don't know if you are a man or woman.
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Well i had some arguments with Sha66y so i definitely am not him in disguise. Or her.
Maybe he got banned too?
That was my point.