Time for the Death Penalty for terrorists I`m afraid

[MrFrost]

So its been confirmed one of the suspects was born in Lambeth - where are we sending him back to?!

Obviously in that case, "sending them back" isn't possible. But deportation for immigrants who have terrorist connections should definitely happen.

It is the root cause that needs stamping out. Radical ideologies, extremist beliefs etc should not be tolerated.

[Glyn_Wigley]

But deportation for immigrants who have terrorist connections should definitely happen.

It depends whether you think it's better to keep them here where you can keep an eye on them and their contacts etc., or risk them slipping back into the country unknown and losing them.

[MrFrost]

But deportation for immigrants who have terrorist connections should definitely happen.

It depends whether you think it's better to keep them here where you can keep an eye on them and their contacts etc., or risk them slipping back into the country unknown and losing them.

I'll admit, that's a good point.

[Jenny]

So its been confirmed one of the suspects was born in Lambeth - where are we sending him back to?!

Obviously in that case, "sending them back" isn't possible. But deportation for immigrants who have terrorist connections should definitely happen.

It is the root cause that needs stamping out. Radical ideologies, extremist beliefs etc should not be tolerated.

Maybe that should be pointed out to the seemingly millions of people who had different views on social media last night.

[Glyn_Wigley]

But deportation for immigrants who have terrorist connections should definitely happen.

It depends whether you think it's better to keep them here where you can keep an eye on them and their contacts etc., or risk them slipping back into the country unknown and losing them.

I'll admit, that's a good point.

Even then, were the two yesterday on anybody's radar? If not, it wouldn't have made any difference.

[scaley back rover]

So its been confirmed one of the suspects was born in Lambeth - where are we sending him back to?!

The people who filmed it have fallen into the trap its what they wanted max publicity and the reason they stayed so long was to be killed so they could die as martyrs (a wish they didnt get) . As i have said before you cant stop thesenpeople who wish to die for a cause thats why they strap shit to themselves . One thing we can do and have done is make it more difficult for them. If they are homegrown then theres not much to be done but if they are from another country they and are suspected they should be sent back to their country of origin straight away f*** the european courts.

as stated not much can be done with homegrown however lengthy jail sentances can be the only option . And this is a massive problem as we need to stop these people becoming brainwashed in the first place. Its difficult banning everything on the net but not so difficult of removing and refusing those who wish to spread this hate . Have you ever stopped and wondered why these radical clerics and head honchos of these organisations never put themselves in the firing line but yet encourage other men women and children into doing these acts ? Its about power and having the power for people to carry out their wishes .

Looking at it another way all this kind of act that happened yesterday will fuel support for the bnp and edl and if that gains momentum then who knows where it could lead to . We need to try and put as  much a stop to things like this as we can now before tit for tat becomes the norm and esculates from there to something more serious .

[Glyn_Wigley]

Have you ever stopped and wondered why these radical clerics and head honchos of these organisations never put themselves in the firing line but yet encourage other men women and children into doing these

Have you ever stopped and realised that's what politicians of every stripe do the world over?

[scaley back rover]

Have you ever stopped and wondered why these radical clerics and head honchos of these organisations never put themselves in the firing line but yet encourage other men women and children into doing these

Have you ever stopped and realised that's what politicians of every stripe do the world over?

yes i have and i understand and accept  the point you are making but at least we can vote them in and out in a fully democratic society . At least wr are not brainwashed into thinking that becoming a suicide bomber is the way ahead or that killing someone in the middle of the street in cold blood will make people come round to their way of thinking. All it will do and has done is cause huge divides in this country , tolerence of other faiths will become eroded , innocent muslims will be targeted just because they are muslims . The EDl abd BNP will gain ground and  carry out reprisals such as they did last night . It will end up in a vicious circle and no one will be better for it in the long run. That is why we need to stamp it out as much as we can now and not allow it to simmer under the surface as one day it will boil over with far reaching consequences. Do you or anyone else want to live in a country where hatred is rife or live in a tolerent society where people can live side by side pushing this country forward.

[Jenny]

I wonder why cobra didn't convene when a Muslim man was brutally stabbed to death by a white man a few weeks ago in Birmingham?

[MrFrost]

I wonder why cobra didn't convene when a Muslim man was brutally stabbed to death by a white man a few weeks ago in Birmingham?

No evidence to suggest this was a racist attack, or an attack that could have implications on national security.
These men have clearly stated on camera what their motives were. Plus it was an attack against a serving solider, a few feet away from his barracks which could have implications on national security.

That good enough?

[River Don]

Have you ever stopped and wondered why these radical clerics and head honchos of these organisations never put themselves in the firing line but yet encourage other men women and children into doing these

Have you ever stopped and realised that's what politicians of every stripe do the world over?

yes i have and i understand and accept  the point you are making but at least we can vote them in and out in a fully democratic society . At least wr are not brainwashed into thinking that becoming a suicide bomber is the way ahead or that killing someone in the middle of the street in cold blood will make people come round to their way of thinking. All it will do and has done is cause huge divides in this country , tolerence of other faiths will become eroded , innocent muslims will be targeted just because they are muslims . The EDl abd BNP will gain ground and  carry out reprisals such as they did last night . It will end up in a vicious circle and no one will be better for it in the long run. That is why we need to stamp it out as much as we can now and not allow it to simmer under the surface as one day it will boil over with far reaching consequences. Do you or anyone else want to live in a country where hatred is rife or live in a tolerent society where people can live side by side pushing this country forward.

Inflaming tensions with the likes of the EDL was what they were attempting to do. The brave lady who spoke to them keeping them distracted and calm while the police arrived said they told her they wanted to start a war in London last night.

[scaley back rover]

exactly my point  river don inflame tensions and these people get the outcome they want on both sides . For the EDl and the like get to on bandwagon and recruit more supporters . For the perprtrators more reason to carry out there so called holy war , in which i may add before someone misquotes me has nothing to do with the koran and the way muslims practise their faith

[Jenny]

I wonder why cobra didn't convene when a Muslim man was brutally stabbed to death by a white man a few weeks ago in Birmingham?

No evidence to suggest this was a racist attack, or an attack that could have implications on national security.
These men have clearly stated on camera what their motives were. Plus it was an attack against a serving solider, a few feet away from his barracks which could have implications on national security.

That good enough?

Ah yes, of course it wasn't racially motivated...

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely sickened to the stomach by what has happened, but the ignorance displayed by a lot of people is just astounding. You can't judge a whole section of society based on the actions of a minority.... Do you judge every white man from Manchester by Dale Cregan? Do you judge every Christian by Anders Breivik?

[MrFrost]

I wonder why cobra didn't convene when a Muslim man was brutally stabbed to death by a white man a few weeks ago in Birmingham?

No evidence to suggest this was a racist attack, or an attack that could have implications on national security.
These men have clearly stated on camera what their motives were. Plus it was an attack against a serving solider, a few feet away from his barracks which could have implications on national security.

That good enough?

Ah yes, of course it wasn't racially motivated...

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely sickened to the stomach by what has happened, but the ignorance displayed by a lot of people is just astounding. You can't judge a whole section of society based on the actions of a minority.... Do you judge every white man from Manchester by Dale Cregan? Do you judge every Christian by Anders Breivik?

Oh no, I agree with you. People are tarring all muslims with the same brush, which is disgusting. However I was replying to your comment of COBRA meeting to discuss a murder in Birmingham, which they wouldn't get involved with at all for the reasons I mentioned.

The UK is in danger of slipping into a very racist culture, unless the root cause of the problems we face is stamped out.

[not on facebook]

But deportation for immigrants who have terrorist connections should definitely happen.

It depends whether you think it's better to keep them here where you can keep an eye on them and their contacts etc., or risk them slipping back into the country unknown and losing them.

Simple it should be procedure to give or take an DNA sample Of every single person that wants to relocate with the UK from wherever.

Then you Will have a better idea Who is on the streets Of the UK and what they are upto.

Same should be done if any brit wants to relocate In
Another country.

It Will not stop acts øke other day in woolich,but at least Its a start.

[Boomstick]

So every single person who  currently lives here and isn't homegrown should be 'sent back' incase they one day decide to kill someone?

Apparently. So much for defending freedom of speech, expression and belief for all those people who go about their lives in a peaceful and lawful manner. Look at someone in a funny way and you're fair game...the Thought Police become a reality. How long before we have the Stasi?

Who said anything about sending all non home grown immigrants back? Really - who?!
Some people on here are deliberately misinterpreting points in order to help their failing political arguments.

[Glyn_Wigley]

But deportation for immigrants who have terrorist connections should definitely happen.

It depends whether you think it's better to keep them here where you can keep an eye on them and their contacts etc., or risk them slipping back into the country unknown and losing them.

Simple it should be procedure to give or take an DNA sample Of every single person that wants to relocate with the UK from wherever.

Then you Will have a better idea Who is on the streets Of the UK and what they are upto.

Same should be done if any brit wants to relocate In
Another country.

It Will not stop acts øke other day in woolich,but at least Its a start.

How will having a DNA sample help detect someone smuggling themselves back into the country? And how will it tell you what anyone is up to?

[not on facebook]

But deportation for immigrants who have terrorist connections should definitely happen.

It depends whether you think it's better to keep them here where you can keep an eye on them and their contacts etc., or risk them slipping back into the country unknown and losing them.

Simple it should be procedure to give or take an DNA sample Of every single person that wants to relocate with the UK from wherever.

Then you Will have a better idea Who is on the streets Of the UK and what they are upto.

Same should be done if any brit wants to relocate In
Another country.

It Will not stop acts øke other day in woolich,but at least Its a start.

How will having a DNA sample help detect someone smuggling themselves back into the country? And how will it tell you what anyone is up to?

You can bet Your last dollar that any person Who has to smuggle them sens back into whatever country,Will sooner or later come to attention Of local Police,Then Its bobs yer UNcle.

I moved to norway 20 Odd years back,if i had to have my DNA taken Then i go into a life Of whatever crime,it Will not be too long for Police to have me in the slammer .

Also they could send my DNA back to UK to cross check and see what or what i was not all about in the UK.

Take that taxi driver from eastern europe Who within two moNths og Been given the all clear to live in UK had raped one Of his female passageners one nite.

It turns out that the taxi driver had allready done 10years slopping out ,back in his own country for multi rapes When he was a taxi driver back home.

Do yountjink if boarder controll knew hevast a serious rapist in his home lad he would have got the all clear to
Settle in UK?

I hope not

[RedJ]

They'd have no power to stop him entering the country, unless I'm mistaken, so yes...

[MrFrost]

This guy from the EDL has some good points regarding the ideology's. He talks a lot of shite as well, but some of the statistics he quotes are correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP4AxfYF5L8

[nice one rovers]

How can anyone justify not bringing back the death penalty for terrorists after what has happened today in Woolwich?

Yeah , great idea. Lets turn two nutters into martyrs and heroes. Lets kill killers, killing's the way forward i'nt it? Get some Jesus in your life.

[nice one rovers]

[/quote]

I sense a bigger plot here i'm afraid.

Glad we've got our best man on the case.

You're good LJM.

[Filo]

How can anyone justify not bringing back the death penalty for terrorists after what has happened today in Woolwich?

Yeah , great idea. Lets turn two nutters into martyrs and heroes. Lets kill killers, killing's the way forward i'nt it? Get some Jesus in your life.

Yeah, you`re right, lets just put them in prison, feed them for the rest of their lives, give them TV`s, playstations, xbox`s etc, lets give them a cushy job inside prison and pay them, all at the expense of the taxpayer in already over crowded prisons!

[Jenny]

If you think that those two would have a cushy life in prison you're deluded.

[MrFrost]

If you think that those two would have a cushy life in prison you're deluded.

My mum has worked in prisons for a long time. Trust me, they won't suffer

[Filo]

If you think that those two would have a cushy life in prison you're deluded.

They`ll be protected in prison, they`ll be kept away from other prisoners that are likely to seek retribution, yes they`ll probably be in solitary confinement, meaning it would cost even more money to keep them, I`d sooner see the little boy that`s been left fatherless because of the actions of these scumbags benefit from the money that will be spent keeping these animals breathing for 50+ years. If we`re not going to execute them, lets at least have a Guantanamo Bay type facility on one of our uninhabited islands and keep them in chains for the rest of their lives and make it a miserable as possible for them

[MrFrost]

If you think that those two would have a cushy life in prison you're deluded.

They`ll be protected in prison, they`ll be kept away from other prisoners that are likely to seek retribution, yes they`ll probably be in solitary confinement, meaning it would cost even more money to keep them, I`d sooner see the little boy that`s been left fatherless because of the actions of these scumbags benefit from the money that will be spent keeping these animals breathing for 50+ years. If we`re not going to execute them, lets at least have a Guantanamo Bay type facility on one of our uninhabited islands and keep them in chains for the rest of their lives and make it a miserable as possible for them

Of course they'll be protected. Or they'll be set to a prison with a population of other terrorists. They like to keep them closely knit.

[Jenny]

If you think that those two would have a cushy life in prison you're deluded.

My mum has worked in prisons for a long time. Trust me, they won't suffer

Really? You've not mentioned it....

I guess it depends on what you define as cushy and suffering doesn't it.

A life of solitary confidement, even with a PS3 doesn't sound like much fun to me.

[MrFrost]

If you think that those two would have a cushy life in prison you're deluded.

My mum has worked in prisons for a long time. Trust me, they won't suffer

Really? You've not mentioned it....

I guess it depends on what you define as cushy and suffering doesn't it.

A life of solitary confidement, even with a PS3 doesn't sound like much fun to me.

It's still more than what is deserved. And to be honest, like I said, there's a good chance they'll be in a prison with other people who have been found guilty of terrorism. There is a prison somewhere, can't remember where, where a wing is dedicated to terrorists.

And what happens when they're eligible for parole?

Yeah she's a prison nurse.

[Filo]

If you think that those two would have a cushy life in prison you're deluded.

My mum has worked in prisons for a long time. Trust me, they won't suffer

Really? You've not mentioned it....

I guess it depends on what you define as cushy and suffering doesn't it.

A life of solitary confidement, even with a PS3 doesn't sound like much fun to me.

I suppose it`s a damn sight more enjoyable than hanging from a noose, or being hacked to death